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Good thing military recruits don't hire agents. 
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The second rounders are surprising me, as the 40th and 56th picks are already signed I believe, essentially slotting these guys already, no?
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The second rounders are surprising me, as the 40th and 56th picks are already signed I believe, essentially slotting these guys already, no?
yes but it also depends what position the other 2nd rounder play. WR might expect to get more than a Olinemen or DLineman even being drafted behind them, dosent mean they will just means they might hold out longer trying to get more.
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The second rounders are surprising me, as the 40th and 56th picks are already signed I believe, essentially slotting these guys already, no?
According to this site, picks 40, 41, 53, & 58 are the only ones signed from round 2. All New England and Phili. Site was supposedly updated today already.
http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10264
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All I know is we better get a CBA done cause if not these Agents are going to try to rule the NFL and dictate policy...
"going to try.........." Hell, they allready do, and have for a decade.
In that regard, we've gone WAY past the point of no return. We need that CBA just to keep it all to a dull roar.
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How much would those agents fight against having the slotted salary for rookies??? It would be comical and scary at the same time.
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I hope the seconds start falling into place next week... I want to see Robo in for sure and Viakune (geez, did I butcher his name or what) as well.
Funny thing, for whatever reason, I'm not too concerned about Missauga (killed his spelling to I bet..LOL)
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I have a feeling we'll see the 2nd rounders fall very quickly very soon. The team is likely working very hard on getting Mack in right away. Robo and Massa were drafted pretty closely together and play the same position, so that will make things easier. DV and the team have already exchanged some contract proposals, so I have a feeling they're just working toward some middle ground now.
I'd rather they all be in today, but if we can get them all in by the time the full camp starts, I'll be happy.
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The PD is reporting that Miava has signed 
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http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/Browns sign Maiava Staff Report 07.24.2009 The Cleveland Browns announced on Friday evening that the team has signed rookie linebacker Kaluka Maiava. Maiava was the Browns' fourth round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. Maiava missed just one game during his four-year career at USC (2005-08). He was a second-team All-Pac 10 selection as a senior when he notched 66 tackles, eight stops for loss and an interception. For his career he amassed 164 tackles, 15.5 stops for loss and two interceptions.
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Yep, I'm sure I read Triple A came to an agreement a while back but there was no mention of him signing. About time...lol 
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Cleveland Browns No. 1 pick still unsigned by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter Friday July 24, 2009, 5:11 PM CLEVELAND -- The Browns have not yet completed a contract agreement with No. 1 pick Alex Mack, the center from University of California. While the parameters of a deal are believed to be settled, details and language in the contract still need to be ironed out. One league source said that guaranteed money could be the biggest hangup. Mack arrived in Cleveland this afternoon. He cannot join the team's rookie camp until his contract is signed. Negotiations with second-round picks Brian Robiskie, Mohamed Massaquoi and David Veikune have not produced any positive movement, sources said. The club did formally announce the signing of fourth-round pick Kaluka Maiva, the linebacker from USC. link
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Geez, how many times can Grossi report the same thing 
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/25/mack-deal-is-done/
Mack deal is done
Posted by Mike Florio on July 25, 2009 10:35 AM ET
After an unexpected delay once Browns first-round pick Alex Mack showed up Friday with a deal supposedly in place, a league source tells us that Mack has finally agreed to terms.
The problem, we're told, is that the Browns' have a new contract negotiator, which created confusion as to some of the terms and wording.
Per the source, Mack will receive guaranteed money (including the option bonus) of $12.2 million. The increase over the contract given to last year's 21st overall pick is roughly 7.5 percent, when comparing the core deals.
So it's three down, 29 to go in round one.
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thanks for the update, ammo. Glad this got done before camp, although I figured it would because he's not a Top 10 pick. The sooner the better.
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He might not have been picked in the Top Ten, and as negotiations go, that's how it is, but this kid is the real deal. I think we stole him.
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Nice! I expect him to make a huge impact on movement of these big NT's in the AFC north
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Good to see- just read this as well. Sounds like he came into town thinking the deal would be done, and wasn't. Maybe it sped it up, maybe it was already close. Regadless, he's inked! Now we need to get our WRs in- these guys, at least one of them, will be logging playing time. If not significantly.
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Actually PFT initially got it wrong. It isn't $12.2 million guaranteed, but a 12.2 % increase over last year's 21st pick's guaranteed (OT Gosder Cherilus). This puts the guaranteed at about $9 million. And using the 7.5% increase overall, his actual contract value is $16 million.
And not to toot my own horn (ok, it is a little, but you can suck it up) that is exactly what I predicted to my dad and brother yesterday, on both accounts.
Guys, I have made my feelings on Mack known, but I will say it again. He will soon become a fan favorite behind JT. We will love him.
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I found a blog website that confirms the same thing.
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Glad to see, but what's that about a new contract negotiator? I don't get that.
Regardless, I'm had he signed!
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Ammo won the signing contest. Sorry, we forgot to collect for the award. 
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http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/Browns Sign Alex Mack 07.25.2009 The Cleveland Browns today signed offensive lineman Alex Mack, its first-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the team announced. Mack was the 21st overall selection of the draft. Also on Saturday, the team waived linebacker David Holloway. Mack was an All-American his final two seasons at the University of California, where he lettered four seasons (2005-08). He was awarded the Draddy Trophy in 2008, given to college football's top scholar-athlete and was a two-time Rimington Trophy finalist, given to the nation's top center. Mack was named the Pac-10 Conference's Scholar-Athlete of the Year in 2008 and was a four-time league academic honor roll honoree. He did not allow any quarterback sacks or pressures on 397 pass plays as a senior in 2008. Mack was born in Fairbanks, Alaska and attended San Marcos (Santa Barbara, Calif.) High School
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The problem, we're told, is that the Browns' have a new contract negotiator, which created confusion as to some of the terms and wording.
Whats this mean? Even our contract negotiator is incompetent? She doesn't speak legaleez? 
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Great!!! A few years back, we had the worse Oline in the league. Thamks to Savage and now KoMan, we are building an Oline with talented young studs, who are not only good ball players, but smart also. I look next year for another piece to be taken in the draft.
As for this year, if Tucker can return at RG, and Foster can play to his abilities, this Oline could be dominant. Foster is the key. He has the tools, I just hope we have the coaching to motivate him to use them. If he were to play up to his abilities, things could be very good on the offensive side of the ball.
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Good. We are set everywhere but the right side for the next few years. As you said though, if for some miracle Foster realizes his potential then we are looking at needing only Tucker replaced next year to have a really good OL for years to come. I'm just not betting on Foster, because you usually are what you are at this point......hope I'm wrong though.
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Guys, I have made my feelings on Mack known, but I will say it again. He will soon become a fan favorite behind JT. We will love him.
To a degree yes but fans will actually ... and moan about the LB they could have taken, just like they ... and moan about the RB that could have been. They will leave out the part about mack being a great O Linemen and go right for we needed a LB not and O Line.
Let me say this too. I wanted Mack badly in this draft and I was jumping up and down when we took him. Gotta have a great O Line. The line is what makes or breaks the offense IMO.
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Great!!! A few years back, we had the worse Oline in the league. Thamks to Savage and now KoMan, we are building an Oline with talented young studs, who are not only good ball players, but smart also. I look next year for another piece to be taken in the draft.
As for this year, if Tucker can return at RG, and Foster can play to his abilities, this Oline could be dominant. Foster is the key. He has the tools, I just hope we have the coaching to motivate him to use them. If he were to play up to his abilities, things could be very good on the offensive side of the ball.
Playing around a really good OL could be the motivation he needs. The lion's OL was terrible.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Guys, I have made my feelings on Mack known, but I will say it again. He will soon become a fan favorite behind JT. We will love him.
To a degree yes but fans will actually ... and moan about the LB they could have taken, just like they ... and moan about the RB that could have been. They will leave out the part about mack being a great O Linemen and go right for we needed a LB not and O Line.
Let me say this too. I wanted Mack badly in this draft and I was jumping up and down when we took him. Gotta have a great O Line. The line is what makes or breaks the offense IMO.
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I was almost as excited about getting Mack as I was JT. With JT I was actually crying, Mack I was just yelling and jumping.
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I am a self-proclaimed, pretty honest individual, but thieving this kid away from the Steelers felt really dang good.
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Until we traded back I never even thought of him.........but I'm very happy w/the pick. I thought maybe a guard second round, but ended up being excited w/oline in the first round. Supposedly Mack can play guard if needed. He makes the whole line better if he can beat out Hank. With him Stienny and Thomas our left side should be set for years.
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I'm one who would draft a O-linemen in the first round every year for a few reasons. 1. Games are won & lost in the trenchs. 2. O-linemen for the most part arnt pretty boys and just wanna play so thier easier to get signed & in camp. We pay them fairly and they will sign. If your flat on your back, your not tackling my RB no matter who he might be, Give me a Trench Dawg anyday 
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Draft an o-linemen and d-linemen in the first for 8 years, and you should have some good big uglies.
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Back on topic; Mo has been signed.
Mohamed Massaquoi-WR- Browns Jul. 28 - 3:52 pm et
Browns signed rookie WR Mohamed Massaquoi, the No. 50 overall pick, to a four-year contract with $1.863 million guaranteed.
Brian Robiskie's up next. Massaquoi was never overly productive in Georgia's balanced offense with Matt Stafford at QB, but possesses vertical ability and ideal size at 6'2/210. He'll back up Braylon Edwards at split end this season, then likely assume a starting gig if Edwards tests 2010 free agency.
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good. just one more to go.
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PD confirms. (although it is grossi)  pd
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Good to see. I have to think Robo is going to be signed very soon, then. These guys were drafted very close together and play the same position.
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