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http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=9718Hadnot's replacement The Browns have announced the signing of OL Fred Weary.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Weary_(offensive_lineman)Professional career [edit] Houston Texans He was drafted in the 2002 NFL Draft by the Texans and started 12 of the 16 games he played in as a rookie. He suffered a broken leg on December 2, 2007 in a game against the Tennessee Titans. In the 2008 preseason, he was placed on season-ending injured reserve.[1] The Texans released him on October 14. [edit] Legal Weary was tasered in 2006 by an officer of the Houston Police Department, leading to controversy
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But he named four players, the entire starting DL plus a backup, to make his point and you picked ONE player out of that in an attempt to dispel his entire point. Great piece of work there.
No, he said something pretty dumb and I called him on it  He could have laughed it off but he chose to have a hissy over it.
Any who watched Rogers play could tell the guy would outmatch anyone he lined up over (and he does week after week). He would be the starting NT or DT on at least 28 teams (maybe all 32). Second guessing Savage for giving a 3rd rounder for him and questioning whether or not he's "good enough to play in a 3-4" is absurd.... Completely ridiculous (as Rogers has proven).
Two of the other three (the Smiths) projected well to the 3-4, being big bodies that (for 325 pounders) are pretty agile and quick. The only one that was much of a stretch was Williams. Last time I checked the verdict was still out on him.
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how they would transition to the 34 was in the end guess work.
It was about as much guess work as "guessing" how fast a new Corvette that has never been run can go. Would you argue that it's guessing when you expect a new vette to go 120 MPH even though it's never "proven" it?
If the tools are all there then the results are moderately predictable.
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Second guessing Savage for giving a 3rd rounder for him and questioning whether or not he's "good enough to play in a 3-4" is absurd....
He didn't do either of those things....he didn't even sniff at the former. 
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Agent points to Mangini for WR's injury Cleveland Browns reserve receiver Syndric Steptoe will miss the season with a torn labrum in his shoulder, and his agent says coach Eric Mangini's decision-making is to blame, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported. The third-year veteran sustained the injury during Saturday's practice. Agent Jerome Stanley said a last-minute change of plans from walk-through drills, which the players had expected, to a full-speed practice in heavy rain was the root of the injury. "The coaches should more carefully weigh the risk of injury in practice decisions,'' Stanley said, according to the Plain Dealer. "My understanding is that the team was on the field for a walk-through the day before the scrimmage. The walk-through turned into a full practice in a driving rain." The newspaper said Steptoe, the Browns seventh-round pick in 2007 who started five of 16 games last season, was carted off clutching his shoulder, though the specifics of how he was injured were unclear. Saturday's practice consisted of no-contact drills in shorts and jerseys with no pads and no live tackling. "Obviously, hindsight gives one a different perspective," Stanley said. "But if the practice had stayed a walk-through, Syndric wouldn't be preparing for season-ending surgery right now. The decision produced a bad result for the kid and the team.'' The Browns aren't confirming or commenting on injuries in training camp, the report said. Steptoe had been practicing as a backup wideout and a kick returner. Mangini, who ended the practice 20 minutes early because of the rain, was not available for comment, the report said. linkI think I have to stand on Mangini’s side of the fence on this… He saw an opportunity to get the guy’s some work in weather and took it… I woulda dine the same… Sorry Steptoe… Just tuff luck… Hope you have a speedy recovery… 
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I'm on anyone's side so long as it's on the opposite side of an agent 
Steptoe looks like another nobody to me. Sorry he's hurt, glad he's off the field.
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I'm on anyone's side so long as it's on the opposite side of an agent
OK, I laughed. The agent sounds like an idiot... "if Mangini hadn't done THIS... blahblahblah..."dumb.
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Steptoe looks like another nobody to me. Sorry he's hurt, glad he's off the field.[/
Now, now... as crappy as he might be, he's still a Brown, toad. Geez you &n purp are tough. 
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I doubt he would've been a Brown come roster cuts...
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The only way the agent's take on this holds water is if there were multiple injuries due to the "bad weather" and the decision to practice in it.
If the sun is shining going into a regular season game and everyone is expecting to play a game in decent weather but mid-way through the game it starts raining, then who gets blamed for any injury incurred because of the weather? I mean, the players were expecting to play on a dry day right?
I feel bad for Steptoe. It's awful when anyone gets hurt and you never what to see that. But it's football and it's going to happen. There's no way you can blame the coach unless he had Steptoe in shorts and no pads practicing against teammates wearing a full uniform and the only rain cloud was hovering over Steptoe's head by order of the coach.
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I feel bad for Syndric too, but his agent holds no water. Looks like he's trying to lay the foundation for a lawsuit.
My question to the agent would be: "Are you an NFL coach that has been in the position to make such decisions?"
No?
Then STFU.
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How many guys managed to not get hurt?
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Good question. So far, I think our only semi-major to major injuries (knock on wood) have been Steptoe and Hadnot, who even might be ready for the home opener.
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I think Steptoe is lucky.
He gets another year's pay on the roster and may get a chance next year when Patten, Furrey and possibly Braylon aren't here.
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I refuse to let this thread get hijacked to discussing injuries.  Much of what is being thrown out there is pure crap.
Garcia and Davis were both Butch players, and Garcia never played under Savage/RAC. And Davis did fit the 3-4. He just wasn't very good. His strength was against the run, which is the primary role for a 3-4 ILB.
Shaffer was again a lack of talent. He fit our zone blocking scheme (eo, Steve Marshall preferred a zone blocking scheme 100 % as did Davidson, though Carthon didn't let him run it) but wasn't talented enough to be successful.
Baba was perfect for the 3-4. We brought him in hoping he could gain weight,b ut he failed at that. Once that happened he was simply too small to be a good nose. Give Baba 20 extra pounds and he's a great nose tackle.
Beau Bell shouldn't be ruled out quite yet, but I agree that he wasn't perfect for our scheme and I already discounted that.
Corey Williams is idea for the 3-4 as well. He is a very good run stopper who can get after the passer while maintaining his assignment. Shaun Smith projected well too. I seem to recall many (eo, you were in this as well) thinking he was going to be a stud after his first year. Robaire started at end for the Texans when they ran a 3-4. He had proven that he was a very good 3-4 player.
I honestly expect more than this out of you, eo. You are throwing crap around more than I've ever seen you do.
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Gotta disagree with you, Little Big Man (or is it Big Little Man?), in terms of Davis and the run.
He was much better in the pass coverage, but with his instincts and over-pursuit, he couldn't find the right rushing hole to plug if it went from sideline to sideline.
Also, I really don't remember Corey Williams operating in a two-gap position. I know its a big adjustment going to the 3-4 for him, as has been said many times, and I do think he'll be good, but I think he still has to learn the ins and outs of his position.
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Yes, it is little big man. I'm probably taller than most on here. I'm 6'2".
And to counter your argument, I agree that Davis would have been better against the pass if not for his lack of speed and instincts, but without those, his strength.
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IMO.. Davis' strength was his leadership...
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How many guys managed to not get hurt?
I was at that practice.
There was no contact. How the hell he screwed himself up like that is just bad luck. Or bad coordination.
I can see if it was full contact, but it was basically a walk through and running plays without contact.
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"No, he said something pretty dumb and I called him on it"
1. Its a sorry thing to have that make your day 
2. And its all in your imaginary mind...yeah you called me on squadoosh...here hold my jock for a while 
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"But if the practice had stayed a walk-through, Syndric wouldn't be preparing for season-ending surgery right now. The decision produced a bad result for the kid and the team.''
Aww geesh...another agent, again we better get a CBA or else these nimrods are going to try to take the game over.
Ummmm...Stanley, guess what If we had walk through the entire spring training there wouldn't be any injuries. Maybe we should petition the league and make all games walk throughs so nobody will ever get hurt. Yeah, thats the ticket.
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DT... Did you watch oshinowo play at Stanford? He was a bum and didn't have the demeanor to play NT. I watched a Stanford/ND game specifically to watch Baba the year he was coming out. There were multiple plays where ND didn't even send the C/G to block him, but let the FB block him as part of the scheme. Let me be clear... He wasn't shedding blocks and getting in the backfield, he was a NT effectively blocked by a notre dame FB.
Being big doesn't make you a NT. It makes you big.
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To judge a player on one game is foolish. In fairness, I wasn't "huge" into the scene yet at that point, but I have read profiles and listen to people I trust.
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We have more depth this season at most positions, but if one of our starters goes down...It's Gonna Hurt!!! Ouch!  JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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Yes, it is little big man. I'm probably taller than most on here. I'm 6'2".
And to counter your argument, I agree that Davis would have been better against the pass if not for his lack of speed and instincts, but without those, his strength.
I still got ya beat.
Regardless, I'm definitely looking forward to Barton over Davis.
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Yeah reading profiles makes someone much more informed than watching them play.
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"I refuse to let this thread get hijacked to discussing injuries " You have me to liven things up "And Davis did fit the 3-4. He just wasn't very good. His strength was against the run, which is the primary role for a 3-4 ILB."
I actually thought his strength was dropping into coverage..his instincts doing that outweighed his instincts agasint the run... "Corey Williams is idea for the 3-4 as well. He is a very good run stopper who can get after the passer while maintaining his assignment. " Being healthy and another year in the 34 should add to his production...Shaun Smith ..although ejected, was more of a NT to me..and I stressed that in here many times...his mouth can play any position...
Robarie is a concern..I've had both my achillies ruptured and it's taken it's toll on me..it's a tuff injury to come back from..it takes two years before you fully recovered ..and thats if you can get back to where you were..
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j/c reviving this thread over what could end up being a significant injury. Quote:
Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger suffered an injury during practice on Thursday, and he currently is being tended to by trainers.
Per our buddy Mike Logan of ESPN 1250 in Pittsburgh (yes, the same Mike Logan who played for the Steelers and West Virginia University), left tackle Max Starks fell and rolled up on Roethlisberger's leg.
Logan advises that, according to ESPN 1250's Ken Laird, Roethlisberger's leg is "heavily wrapped" and he couldn't put pressure on it when trying to stand.
Coincidentally, the injury occurred on the day that typically includes an "unexpected" break from practice, a tradition started by former coach Bill Cowher.
But there was no "Movie Day" this year; instead, the Steelers concluded camp with one more session of two-a-days.
"Just a little mental warfare," coach Mike Tomlin said after the morning session. "Sometimes people need to be horribly disappointed and then asked to perform. And they did pretty well."
As Mike Logan said, "I bet you they are thinking Movie Day would have been a good idea now."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/20/down-goes-roethlisberger/
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well.....
No one is protected from the injury bug..
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well the good news for them is they don't think it's torn and was walking with a limp. how that effects them, we'll see.
i know i wouldn't want him to go down, not before we get our shot at him at least. wouldn't be very satisfying to beat a ben-less steeler team and would be depressing, losing to one.
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We already lost (badly) to a Ben-less Steelers team in the very recent past... it wouldn't be much of a change in the status-quo.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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so... it'd be nothing new.
Was it last year, or the year before, that he tore us a new one? Wasn't that the Christmas Eve game two year ago??
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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With the way things go with him, it's probably not serious. The guy goes face first into a car and breaks his jaw, playing like a month or so later. PFT is calling it an achilles injury, but probably not a tear. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/200...ved-to-be-torn/
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