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Here's my thought process...
Quinn hasn't had enough real game experience to let the game slow down for him yet.
We won't know until that happens.
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Quinn hasn't had enough real game experience to let the game slow down for him yet.
We won't know until that happens.
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We do have a legit QB. Probably 2 of them. DA already proved he was in 2007. Did he have problems in 08? Yeah. But so did the entire offense (Jamal not the same, Braylon's drops, injuries). But he's proven he CAN be a pro bowl QB.
If Tom Brady didnt drop out of the Pro Bowl after he lost the Super Bowl, we wouldnt be saying DA was a Pro Bowl QB.
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We do have a legit QB. Probably 2 of them. DA already proved he was in 2007. Did he have problems in 08? Yeah. But so did the entire offense (Jamal not the same, Braylon's drops, injuries). But he's proven he CAN be a pro bowl QB.
If Tom Brady didnt drop out of the Pro Bowl after he lost the Super Bowl, we wouldnt be saying DA was a Pro Bowl QB.
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We do have a legit QB. Probably 2 of them. DA already proved he was in 2007. Did he have problems in 08? Yeah. But so did the entire offense (Jamal not the same, Braylon's drops, injuries). But he's proven he CAN be a pro bowl QB.
If Tom Brady didnt drop out of the Pro Bowl after he lost the Super Bowl, we wouldnt be saying DA was a Pro Bowl QB.
Thank you.
I wondered if anybody would ever bring that up.
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Argue about the Pro Bowl all you want, but DA did some great things in 2007.
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LMAO. No he didn't, you people absolutely floor me with your belief that after a brief stint of a perfect storm that you think this guy is legit.
We absolutely floor you? Interesting.
Why do you think that DA flourished so well in 2007? And why did he fail in 2008?
Before you answer the question, make sure you compare apple to apples. Did Braylon catch almost everything thrown to him in 2007? Did the OL perform better than expected? Did the running game flourish?
The answer to all of those questions is yes.
Now ask if the same held true for 2008. The answer is no.
I see why many of you lambaste DA for his 2008 performance, but the fact of the matter is that every reason you all give substantiating his 2007 performance could be used oppositely for the reason he failed in 2008.
Basically (IMO), if you blast DA for succeeding the way he did in 2007 by crediting all of the core positions, you need to defend him for the way the same positions played in 2008. The bottom line is that all of those units sucked, and thus so did DA.
Did he make mistakes? Absolutely. Did BE and the OL fail him? Absolutely. Did the lack of running game not allow him to play his game? Absolutely.
Apples to apples people. You can't give credit for his success to the great play of the team around him, without accepting his poor performance to the play around him as well.
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Argue about the Pro Bowl all you want, but DA did some great things in 2007.
I've defended Anderson quite a bit, but hate seeing any arguement that calls him a "pro-bowler" because I don't view injury-replacement alternates as pro-bowlers.
Pro-bowls............All-stars..........those are popularity contests based in common fandom, and the common fan is neither bright nor fair.
Had he been an All-Pro it would be a different discussion, but he wasn't.
I also can't say that he did "great" things. I believe that view is based from the fact that he came COMPLETELY out of left field. Nobody expected it, therefore it was viewed as something greater than what it was. I'd say he did some good things, while losing it down the stretch.
None of that was aimed at you Lampy, just opining.
In defense of Anderson, too many people call him a completed player while simulaneously giving Quinn plenty of time.
Quinn is one year younger than Anderson. That's it.
Homerism, pessimism, and optimism at their very worst.
While we know more about Anderson than we do about Quinn, if you preach patience for one, you MUST preach it for the other, unless you are blinded by Homerism, optimism, or pessimism.
That is why they say what they say about the backup QB.............
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It's all Mangini driven, but who cares!!! If you want the true story get out to camp. It's hard to get out there, but it is great from what I hear.
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to be fair...this board was about 50/50 that offseason of whether to trade DA for the picks or to keep him.
the way he ended the '07 season left a lot to be desired
(yes, I was in the trade DA because I felt he was at his high point in value)
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/08/with_a_happy_face_derek_anders.htmlWith a happy face, Derek Anderson says he's enjoying Cleveland Browns camp, QB competition by Mary Kay Cabot/Plain Dealer Reporter Wednesday August 12, 2009, 8:00 PM Tracy Boulian/The Plain Dealer Derek Anderson says focusing on enjoying football and his teammates is making it easier to deal with the starting QB competition with Brady Quinn this camp. "I play my best when I'm out there having fun just being me," he said. "That's all I'm going to do." BEREA, Ohio -- Derek Anderson's scowl has been replaced with a grin and his limp with a spring in his step. The downtrodden Browns quarterback who already looked defeated in organized team activities and minicamps in May and June is gone and the goofy, happy-go-lucky guy that surprised the NFL with nine victories and 29 TD passes in 2007 is back. Anderson admitted Wednesday that he showed up for training camp July 31 with a completely different mindset than when he left in June. "Yeah, I had a lot of things going on this spring," said Anderson. "Dealing with the [calf] injury I had this spring was frustrating. I want to do as good as I can and learn as much as I can and that limited me. It was frustrating. But I came back to camp with a fresh attitude and healthy. Things have been going good." Anderson is back to cracking jokes with the media and enjoying his teammates, including some post-practice horseplay Wednesday with challenger Brady Quinn. Sunday, when Phil Dawson's 48-yard field goal attempt smacked off the left upright to preserve Anderson's Brown team's 17-14 victory over the Whites in the Family Day scrimmage, Anderson jumped around like a kid on Christmas who raced downstairs to a new puppy under the tree. It was an exuberance not seen since long before Anderson was booed by fans while down on the field with a season-ending knee injury last season against the Colts. When he left the locker room that night with a hangdog expression, no one thought he'd return this year, especially not him. But he's back in the race, embracing the competition and determined to have fun regardless of the outcome. So what changed between early June and late July? "I don't know, you gotta golf for a little bit," he said with a smile.
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Anderson on the best way to play football: "I never play great when I take myself too serious. Obviously there's a point when you've got to be serious about what you're doing, but having fun is the biggest thing and winning games."
He said he talked to "his boy" Trent Dilfer, the former Browns quarterback a little bit, but that they really didn't talk football much, just enjoyed each other and hitting the ball."It was just kind of the decision I made," he said. "It was like, I never play great when I take myself too serious. Obviously there's a point when you've got to be serious about what you're doing, but having fun is the biggest thing and winning games." He admitted he pressed in the spring and tried to push through the calf injury that caused him to miss the final three practices of the mandatory minicamp. He also entered those sessions with Eric Mangini saying Quinn was slightly ahead because of his stellar off-season work. "There's a lot of different things that went into it," Anderson. "But I just said, 'hey, go out there and put my best foot forward and play as good as I can, have as much fun as I can and help my teammates and not get too caught up in the big mess.'" Anderson said he never felt he was in a no-win situation with Quinn, the former first-round pick and overwhelming fan favorite. "I've been here for five years now and every time I come to camp I think I've got a chance," he said. "If I don't, I don't, but I always come here feeling like I've got a chance, and every opportunity means a lot to me." He harkened back to 2007, when he played with abandon after being thrown into the lineup in Week 2 after Charlie Frye was traded. "Yeah, that's what I've always pretty much done," he said. "I think you can start over-thinking things, but I watched some old stuff, watched what I had done and was like, 'why not just do that?'" So Anderson is not fretting over his huddle presence and all of the other criteria Mangini is using to pick the starter. "It's just 'do we all know what we're doing?' Do you understand what I'm saying?'" Anderson said. "Obviously you have to have some control over what's going on and not be out there just running around. But throwing touchdowns and having fun with your guys is a big part of it." Anderson has no idea when Mangini will name his man or even if he'll start Saturday's preseason opener in Green Bay. But right now, it's don't worry, be happy. "I play my best when I'm out there having fun just being me," he said. "That's all I'm going to do." Told ya he spent a lot of time playing golf this summer. 
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this story makes me wonder if he got some type of good news today, he seems more upbeat and confident in this story
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Told ya he spent a lot of time playing golf this summer.
Ya know, golf NEVER does this for me. I go in like DA circa 2007 and come out like DA at the end of 2008.
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Just remember things always seem to get better before they go bad. 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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you're just joking around about the "told ya" part, right?
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I still wish we would of traded him after the 07 season when we could of gotten something worthwhile for him  I want whoever is going to bring us the best chance to win, DA showed last year that he isnt a leader, Quinn looked decent until he broke his finger.....and so far this season DA, Quinn, and now even Ratty are considered to be in the hunt for the starting job! i am sick of qb battles, i wish one of these guys would take the lead and not look back!
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I still wish we would of traded him after the 07 season when we could of gotten something worthwhile for him
This is the only fan base in the country that would trade a QB that lead them to the first winning season in a couple of years. The guy isn't perfect but trading him just after we finally got a winning season is brain dead.
I was glad they kept him to see what else he could do. he did earn it, didn't he?
For the record, I don't care who starts. However, I do want the competition to be fair. If one is really better then the other then the better one will start.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I still wish we would of traded him after the 07 season when we could of gotten something worthwhile for him
I want whoever is going to bring us the best chance to win, DA showed last year that he isnt a leader, Quinn looked decent until he broke his finger.....and so far this season DA, Quinn, and now even Ratty are considered to be in the hunt for the starting job! i am sick of qb battles, i wish one of these guys would take the lead and not look back!
I agree with you wholeheartedly but also we can blame allot of this jockeying around of the QB's on the management of this organization.
Look at it this way, if you have a franchise QB you don't look for one. In 2007 Savage went looking and drafted Quinn. At the time he had Frye and Anderson on the squad. He went looking because he felt he didn't have the guy.
In 2008 he must have felt he had his QB because he didn't seem to look any further than what he had.
In 2009 Mangini and company come in and have a chance to trade Quinn and Anderson and take Sanchez with the 5th pick but no move was made.
For 2 years in a row our management have had a chance to make a move to up grade the QB position and not a move has been made, so I believe with 2 different management teams sticking with what they have they must believe we have a franchise QB in our midst at this time and they get paid to know that. 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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so I believe with 2 different management teams sticking with what they have they must believe we have a franchise QB in our midst at this time and they get paid to know that.
Which is why Pennington and his pro-bowl-caliber year is in Miami, why Mangini was fired, and why Savage now has a job as a greeter at Wal-mart.
The moral to the story: Don't trust'em just because they have a job.
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I am glad we passed on Sanchez I am not sold on him, but I think everyone knew that with Quinn on the bench Anderson wasnt in our long term plans....they had the chance to get supposedly two first round picks for a guy they claimed off waivers....and didnt pull the trigger! now here we are doing the same ole same ole each year at camp.....  I dont care what name is on the back of our starting QB's back as long as we are winning games. But I have a feeling that Either Quinn or Anderson will be traded once a starter is announced. If Anderson is our starter then you would have people chanting for Brady as soon as he throws a pick, and vice versa if Quinn is named the starter, some will boo and yell for DA. I think this is why Mangini wanted Ratty in that trade is to come in and secure the number 2 spot once a starter has been announced!
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I don't know what you're referring to. I've heard DA keeps the huddle "loose." Well that's all well a good, but what happens when it comes time to run the 2 minute drill?
That's BS.
When Anderson took over all players could talk about how his was THE voice in the huddle ..... and how he was firmly in control.
In 2007 he was also excellent in the 2 minute drill. How many times did we score in the last second of a game (for the win) or the last seconds of a half. That was a definite strength of that 2007 offensive unit.
Now, Quinn may be just as good ..... but, to the best of my knowledge, no players have made a point of talking about his huddle presence as a strength of his. Frankly, his career is not yet firmly established enough to discuss strengths and weaknesses in his game. He played one good game last year and 2 pretty bad ones. He was hurt at some point. He was also hindered, as Anderson was, by losing JJ, and being forced to field 2nd receivers who shouldn't and wouldn't be #4s or 5s on good teams.
This year should be interestng. One of these guys will be "the man", and the other will have to sit and watch. Fans will probably tear apart and regurgitate every good and/or bad thing the winning QB does ..... and probably try to do some sort of comparisons between how the starter does ..... and how the backup would have done in some imaginary world of football dimensia. 
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not to mention, all reports thus far have said BOTH have struggled in two minute drills.
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not to mention, all reports thus far have said BOTH have struggled in two minute drills.
Thats because the previouse regime never new how to do a two minute drill. So basiclly, these guys are both rookies in that aspect of the game. We might as well use Ratcliff as a relief pitcher in the 2 minute drill.
How many blown oppurtunities did they have in two minutes with blown timeouts, not calling a timeout, not knowing when to spike the ball and Crennel waddling on the sideline not knowing what to do? The two minute drill is new to these guys. I shouldnt be, but there were a ton of mistakes last year and the coaching staff failed to adderss the problem all season.
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Are U a DA backer?
U certainly sound like one...I guess U forgot how the Browns offense imploded a lot in the second half of the 07 season..they really weren't scoring all that much and several games they had a chance to win ..but they didn't...
And that stuff you threw about BQ not having huddle presence is crap..
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Now, Quinn may be just as good ..... but, to the best of my knowledge, no players have made a point of talking about his huddle presence as a strength of his.
See i've seen in plenty of articles and interviews players saying that he really takes control of the huddle.
While I'm not necessarily a huge fan of Brady Quinn, I want to see him get a chance to play so that we can finally figure out our QB situation.
People say great things about how Anderson played in 2007. And how he was so great in 2007 because of his tools and line and he was so bad in 2008 because those things failed. But when I was watching in 2007 I didn't think he was that good. Our team was rolling on all cylinders. Anderson was riding the wave, but he was certainly a product of the rest of the offense's success. Toward the end of the year he was exposed and shown to be very beatable.
If DA is starting he better have gotten a LOT better, which I can beieve because he's still young. But otherwise I want to see what we have in Brady Quinn for a period of at least a few weeks. Then we can decide which to keep
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Now, Quinn may be just as good ..... but, to the best of my knowledge, no players have made a point of talking about his huddle presence as a strength of his.
I didnt see this until I saw a couple other posters reply. After Quinns first start, which resulted in a loss, everyone was saying how good Quinns huddle presence was and how he shown great leadership skills in leading the offense in his first start. Now, I dont have any articles to back them up like some ask for because I dont feel like I need to keep every article I read just to prove a point. Like when I got bashed for say Larry Dolan was going to cut payroll and it was going to hurt ticket sales. Everyone called me a liar and told me to post my source because they didnt hear Dolan would do such a thing. Look at the tribe now. I didnt feel like I need to save each source then, and I wont now. But everyone in the local and mainstream media (PTI comes to mind immediately) raved about his huddle presence.
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Are U a DA backer?
U certainly sound like one...
Do we really have to split ourselves and each other into heavily divided camps every year in regards to QB's?
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I'm the starting QB backer. What category would I fit in?
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Now, Quinn may be just as good ..... but, to the best of my knowledge, no players have made a point of talking about his huddle presence as a strength of his.
See i've seen in plenty of articles and interviews players saying that he really takes control of the huddle.
While I'm not necessarily a huge fan of Brady Quinn, I want to see him get a chance to play so that we can finally figure out our QB situation.
People say great things about how Anderson played in 2007. And how he was so great in 2007 because of his tools and line and he was so bad in 2008 because those things failed. But when I was watching in 2007 I didn't think he was that good. Our team was rolling on all cylinders. Anderson was riding the wave, but he was certainly a product of the rest of the offense's success. Toward the end of the year he was exposed and shown to be very beatable.
If DA is starting he better have gotten a LOT better, which I can beieve because he's still young. But otherwise I want to see what we have in Brady Quinn for a period of at least a few weeks. Then we can decide which to keep
To be fair, I honestly wonder how much of that was Chud being exposed as well.
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I would call it a combination of both. DA always made me uneasy in the '07 year. I used to watch games with a friend who was a Pats fan and he always said I was too hyper-critical of the guy... His actions won a few games...and lost a few as well. I wouldn't say that he rode a wave or carried the load...but by season's end, I think it was safe to say he had a pretty solid year. I was at the Bengals game and absolutely could not believe that we rolled out the game plan that we did. Absolutely inexcusable offensive play calls...I mean, wow. I always blame that game on Chud. DA deserves his stake, no doubt -- 4 INT's is 4 INT's. But to be throwing like that, in those weather conditions? Against a team who was notably horrid at run stopping?
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What happened: The team worked exclusively on preparing for Green Bay, running every play in team drills against the Packers' offensive or defensive plays. There was extensive work on running the ball. Receiver Braylon Edwards and running back James Davis rejoined the team for full practice. The session ran about 20 minutes long and ended with Phil Dawson making a 50-yard field goal. The successful kick earned the players the night off with no meetings.
Quarterback derby: Perhaps as a tip-off to Saturday's starter, Derek Anderson worked with the first team and got the most reps against the Green Bay scout team defense. He was sharp and had his fastball lighting up the radar gun. Anderson was intercepted by Brodney Pool when his pass caromed off Josh Cribbs' hands. Anderson tossed a touchdown to Mike Furrey over Corey Ivy to conclude a 3-minute drill. Brady Quinn overthrew at least two receivers on long routes in drills. Quinn ran only four plays in the 3-minute drill, ending with a deep incompletion for Jordan Norwood.
Injury report: NT Shaun Rogers, LB David Bowens, RB Jerome Harrison and TE John Madsen worked with trainers. WR David Patten did not practice. CB Eric Wright had his right ankle tended to by a trainer, but returned to make all reps in team periods. After the practice, WR Brian Robiskie had his left knee stretched out for a few minutes by a trainer.
Today's schedule: No practice. Team travels to Green Bay, Wis.
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The session ran about 20 minutes long and ended with Phil Dawson making a 50-yard field goal. The successful kick earned the players the night off with no meetings.
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WR Edwards catches foot in turf Comment Email Print Share Associated Press BEREA, Ohio -- Browns receiver Braylon Edwards is back on the stationary bike. Edwards left Cleveland's practice early Wednesday after he appeared to catch his foot in the turf during one-on-one drills, then pointed to his feet. He walked off the practice field without a limp and was attended to by trainers. Edwards spent the rest of the session on a stationary bike and working with the medical staff. Browns coach Eric Mangini and Edwards were not available after practice. Edwards missed the first four days of training camp with an undisclosed leg injury the Browns declined to discuss. He also missed the final few days of voluntary workouts in May with the injury. Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press Link
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Quarterback derby: Perhaps as a tip-off to Saturday's starter, Derek Anderson worked with the first team and got the most reps against the Green Bay scout team defense. He was sharp and had his fastball lighting up the radar gun. Anderson was intercepted by Brodney Pool when his pass caromed off Josh Cribbs' hands. Anderson tossed a touchdown to Mike Furrey over Corey Ivy to conclude a 3-minute drill. Brady Quinn overthrew at least two receivers on long routes in drills. Quinn ran only four plays in the 3-minute drill, ending with a deep incompletion for Jordan Norwood.
I think Mangini wanted to start DA on the road in Game 1 & Brady at home, to keep fans happy. BQ better pick it up, because from the sounds of things Anderson is making a statement. JMHO of course.
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