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Is there still a waiting list for Season Tickets?
If there is, then they have no concern for keeping the current ones happy, if there is another waiting to take that seat.
No, there is no waiting list anymore. I don't think thee has been for a couple of years now.
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However, now the Browns are saying "Well, season ticket holders have to continue to pay full price for tickets, however, for those of you who aren't season ticket holders, we have put together plans where you get discounted tickets + free hot dogs + free drinks."
Got it?
And when one of those people who isn't a season ticket holder wants to go to the Browns-Steelers game they'll be spending $100 for a $50 ticket and you won't.
This comment has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. How is it you guys don't understand this?
Yep, you're right. The primary benefit of being a season ticket holder isn't to get the first crack at the best tickets for games that may sell out before the general public can buy them. Forget that the average non-season ticket holder is going to be paying a 30-50% markup to go to a game that is already sold out. He'll probably be buying the tickets from people like the ones here that are crying about others getting tickets to pre-season games while they sell off their regular-season tickets because they can't be bothered to come out and support a mediocre team.
No, much like Punch, I understand the problem completely. I just don't think it's an issue.
...good thing none of you caught wind up them knocking 50% off this deal for one day only on Family Fun Day.
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I have to agree.
I see where they're coming from, but don't think it's an issue.
It's not like the Browns planned to NOT sell out. We have sold out every game since '99. It wouldn't even be an issue if they did. I'm not a season ticket holder so people can say what they want about my opinion, and I would love to be able to spend the money to buy a PSL, but my answer would still be the same. I would think to myself, well that kind of sucks, but oh freaking well. When you buy that PSL, you're committing to buying 10 games per year at the set price. That is the deal, that is the expectation, and that is something you know when you buy them. Do I think they can charge less for the preseason? Yeah, they could lower it some, but that's not how it goes in the NFL.
You can't argue about selling nuts and bolts to your bigger customers at one price, then selling them cheaper to smaller customers. If they can't sell them at that price anymore, are they just going to stop selling them?
They also have a commitment to their fans who don't have the luxury of having the money to buy season tickets. The ones who have to work, who are home bound, ill, etc, who can't make it to the stadium and watch it on TV.
I understand STH's feel they are above these fans because of the money they spend, but you aren't a bigger fan because you do so. You just have the money to do it. I buy tickets to a handful of games a year because that's what I personally can afford to do. Otherwise, I have to watch the Browns on TV. I rely on that game being aired, and the Browns I'm sure feel obligated to try to make it happen for all of us other people who aren't able to be there in person.
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Like I said, this is simple captialism. There is supply and demand for tickets. STH's avoid that supply and demand by locking in a price(by entering into the contract of buying season tickets). When we/I/you buy those tickets and therefore enter into a contract we are taking a chance. If the team is doing well we are sitting on tickets that will increase in value over the face value. When the team sucks and it is preseason and people are not excited about the team we are sitting on tickets that are worth less than what we paid for them. So last summer when the demand for petroleum was way outweighing the supply and we were paying $4 plus per gallon of gas some people complained about the oil companies making record profits while some gloated about how much money they were making off those record profits. So like I said,free market capitalism and supply and demand is a great system when it is benefitting someone but it sucks when it isnt  KING
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,,I might as well take the attitude the majority take around here....I don't really care if you see the game or not....as long as I do, I have no worries.. " I understand totally .. You and I are defiantly the Minority .. This goes way beyond football 
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Indeed it does....the freeloader mentality is sweeping the world.
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Freeloader mentality? GMAB
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We come from a very different America .. I return home ( States / Cleveland ) in September , after six years abroad .. I can assure you that I am very apprehensive !
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good thing none of you caught wind up them knocking 50% off this deal for one day only on Family Fun Day.
Admission on Family Fun Day was free. And it was just a scrimmage. Apples and Oranges.
Most of you say you understand then make fairly goofy comments that indicate that you don't. Strangely enough all you understanding fellow board members are not STHs. Funny how that works.
Look, nobody is so ticked off that we're gonna do more than make a phone call or two to the Browns to voice our displeasure. But the point is we shouldn't have to do anything at all. Because the Browns should have used their heads for something besides a hat rack. Had they given all those tickets to charities or youth organizations I doubt any STH would have said a thing. Selling them at half price is a different story altogether.
And if they ever do it for a regular season game you can bet somebody will get a lawyer and file a class action suit before you can say, "Call the Toss".
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He'll probably be buying the tickets from people like the ones here that are crying about others getting tickets to pre-season games while they sell off their regular-season tickets because they can't be bothered to come out and support a mediocre team.
Alot of us make long drives, mine is probably considered short to some...about 225 miles away, it's alittle more than simply being 'bothered' to get to a game.
And lets be honest here, the teams not mediocre it sucks. It's record speaks for itself, maybe I'll get up for more games when it's worth it (and I hope it is one day) to me but no I'm sorry it's not worth the gas, time, food, and hotel room to watch this product.
In the meantime my opinion of Randy Lerner has sunk even lower.
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Freeloader mentality?
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What do you mean give you a break?
Americans are increasingly looking for someone else to foot the bill. Be it football so the games aren't blacked out or your own personal healthcare..
No. I won't give you a break.
The country is infested with freeloaders just like a cheap hotel is infested with fleas.
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There's the American way!
Let's sue and get some money! Yay!
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Ya gotta stop staying at those Econo-Lodges, buddy...... 
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I'm not saying there aren't freeloaders in this country, but you're saying I or others on this board have a freeloader mentality because I don't agree with you?
I don't expect anything to be given to me.
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good thing none of you caught wind up them knocking 50% off this deal for one day only on Family Fun Day.
Admission on Family Fun Day was free. And it was just a scrimmage. Apples and Oranges.
Or I was talking about how they were selling four-packs of tickets to the Lions preseason game for $50 at Family Fun Day...
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Its a simple business decision, seats arent sold, so u cut the price to move them. Big deal, happens every day in many industries. And yet we are on page 3 of crying about it.
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Are people still upset because someone else got a better deal on a ticket for A FREAKING PRE-SEASON GAME?? Next week, if there's a sale on socks at Wal-Mart, I'm gonna blow a gasket cuz I just purchased two pairs at full price and dammit,I'm making this an issue!
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Give 'em hell. Let them know how you spend money there all the time, and these people buying socks at half price only come out of the woodwork when stuff goes on sale.
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What do you mean give you a break?
Americans are increasingly looking for someone else to foot the bill. Be it football so the games aren't blacked out or your own personal healthcare..
No. I won't give you a break.
The country is infested with freeloaders just like a cheap hotel is infested with fleas.
Not saying I disagree with you on that point,because I agree on the freeloader thing but WTH does that have to do with a Browns Pre Season game being blacked out or not,or whether you paid full price for the seat or not? You didnt buy those pre season tix because you wanted to make sure the game was sold out so it could be watched on TV, you bought them because you had no choice if you wanted to have season tix. If you had a choice you would have not had to buy them and then sat home and watched it like most other people.
I also hate to tell you this but people who are watching the game at home are finacially supporting the team just as someone who buys tix and goes to the game. TV rules the NFL and rating are king.
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I also hate to tell you this but people who are watching the game at home are finacially supporting the team just as someone who buys tix and goes to the game. TV rules the NFL and rating are king.
Are they buying 7 dollar beers, 5 dollar waters and sodas, and 5 dollar hot dogs as well?
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I also hate to tell you this but people who are watching the game at home are finacially supporting the team just as someone who buys tix and goes to the game. TV rules the NFL and rating are king.
Are they buying 7 dollar beers, 5 dollar waters and sodas, and 5 dollar hot dogs as well?
No, hell I am a STH amd go to most of the games and I dont either 
I must be a freeloader 
My point was people wanting to watch the game are not freeloaders and though they may not be putting money out of their pocket the TV audience is very important to the financial well being of the team.
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My point was people wanting to watch the game are not freeloaders and though they may not be putting money out of their pocket the TV audience is very important to the financial well being of the team.
Point taken and I have to admit that is amazing restraint by yourself to not breakdown and even get a soda.
I'm no econmoical genius obviously or claim to be but I highly doubt that the team makes any profit from the ticket prices alone. The key is getting the fans into the stadium, then getting them to fork out more dollars in concessions, souveniers etc. etc... Which happens except for people like myself who never exceed the 2 beer mark. 
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Ok,maybe a pop but they can have those nasty ass hot dogs they serve. I wouldnt eat those if they were free. Also I imagine the attendance plays a big role for how much they can fetch for the in stadium advertising. From the signs hanging to the non stop PA commercials running  . So even if they end up giving away 10,000 seats I think in the end it is better for them to have behinds in those seats. KING
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Actually this may sound counter intuitive but, as you know I'm a season ticket holder, and I wouldn't mind if they discounted regular season tickets if they can't fill the stadium.
The regular season games have worth to me. There are a fixed amount of seats and I know in good times that the stadium will be a sellout all year long. I don't mind if they discount seats when they're bad to get a packed house.
What really chaps my arsenheimer is that I have to pay for preseason tickets at all. Then to see seats discounted on top of that is like getting kicked in the shins. Who wants to pay full value to watch 80 players play of which just more than half make the team and teams play who couldn't care less if they win or not. But I have to fork over $120 a ticket for the priviledge.
That really chaps me. I'd love to meet the season ticket holder who doesn't think that this practice is borderline criminal.
If I owned the Browns, I would give regular season ticket holders the option to buy their seats at 75% off the regular season face value. Then offer the public at large 75% off after the season ticket holders had their say. The stadium would be packed, a demographic that can't afford normally to take their family to see a game could go, and you'd increase your concession sales.
You'd also make your season ticket holders a whole lot happier.
But that would make too much sense.
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Are you equating freeloading to NFL season tickets and health care? 
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Its a simple business decision, seats arent sold, so u cut the price to move them. Big deal, happens every day in many industries. And yet we are on page 3 of crying about it.
Thanks for posting my exact response for me. And I mean exact!
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Are people still upset because someone else got a better deal on a ticket for A FREAKING PRE-SEASON GAME??
Next week, if there's a sale on socks at Wal-Mart, I'm gonna blow a gasket cuz I just purchased two pairs at full price and dammit,I'm making this an issue!
It isn't a matter of being upset....that will happen if they lower the prices to regular season games.
It is simply a matter of it not being a good business decision.
You don't firesale the first game of the season.
I fully understand why they want it sold out. The team really needs this game on TV to help sell the rest of their unsold tickets.
My suggestion is rather than accuse season ticket holders of moaning, maybe a few of you should go out and buy a ticket or two if you want to see a game.
If not, I suspect there are going to be several blacked out games in Cleveland this season. Then we will see who is moaning.
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Well, I think you're dead wrong about the regular season games. If they start discounting those to fill the stadium there will be plenty of STHs that are more than a little pissed.
But you are dead on regarding the discounting of the preseason games.
What amuses me is all the guys on here chiming in about us griping about the discounting of tickets. Apparently most do not get the concept of a discussion. It is evidently easier to come up with snide comments abouts socks at Walmart than it is to address the real issue in this instance which is the lack of regard for STHs by the Browns in particular and the NFL in general.
Excuse me now while I go buy some socks at Walmart......
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My suggestion is rather than accuse season ticket holders of moaning, maybe a few of you should go out and buy a ticket or two if you want to see a game.
If not, I suspect there are going to be several blacked out games in Cleveland this season. Then we will see who is moaning.
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It is evidently easier to come up with snide comments abouts socks at Walmart than it is to address the real issue in this instance which is the lack of regard for STHs by the Browns in particular and the NFL in general.
Yes, it is easier, that's why I did it. It's just my way of illustrating a point, don't get your stockings in a bunch.
That said, I don't think STHs should pay outrageous prices for pre-season games just to keep their season tickets. However, I understand why they slash ticket prices if they can't entice people to exhibition games. It's been happening in business, since... ummm.... forever.
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When was the last time you went to a movie and they started selling tickets at 50% off 15 minutes before the movie started because the theater was half full??
This isn't like clearing merchandise to make room for the new.
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When was the last time you went to a movie and they started selling tickets at 50% off 15 minutes before the movie started because the theater was half full??
This isn't like clearing merchandise to make room for the new.
Are there only 10 movies a year?
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And again, there is no issue of "lack of regard". Does it suck that preseason games cost as much as regular season games? Sure, but there's nothing you can do about it. Donate your tickets to charity and write them off, then buy some 4-for-$99 tickets if you want to see the game for the same price as someone who just bought the tickets last week.
As for blackouts during the regular season, I hope they don't happen. That would be a shame. I won't be moaning though...I'll be down at the stadium.
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Personally I do not think that buying season tickets can be compared to merchandise. They are an investment.
Buying Season Tickets is like buying stock in a company.
When you buy stock in a company you are assuming the risk that the companys stock will either go up or down based upon demand.
When you buy season tickets you are taking the risk that the price of the tickets will either go up or down. You are buying a part of the stadium. You own the viewing experience for the seats you buy. Based upon the market you can either sell them for a profit or a loss at anytime.
Yes you are forced to pay for the preseason games, but you also have a vested option to buy postseason tickets at a price that is way below market value.
Just like the stock market, it sucks when the lack of demand causes your investment to lose value, but that was the risk you assumed when you bought the ST.
If I call up my broker and say that I am upset that people can now buy the same stock that I bought for 10 dollars now for 5 dollars. What do you think that my broker is going to say to me?
I am sorry that your investment in Browns season Tickets has depreciated, but we are in a recession what do you expect?
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Are people still upset because someone else got a better deal on a ticket for A FREAKING PRE-SEASON GAME??
Next week, if there's a sale on socks at Wal-Mart, I'm gonna blow a gasket cuz I just purchased two pairs at full price and dammit,I'm making this an issue!
Were these socks one use only.... priced between $50 - $300 at a Walmart for which you paid a 4 figure one time fee for future sock shopping .... a Walmart that forces you buy this crappy pair of socks if you want to buy the good socks?
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It is not like buying stock in a company. A stockholder, especially if he has a lot of stock, has some say in how the company is run. STHs have none.
I am not worried about my "investment" losing value. I can sell my regular season tickets, at this point in time, for full face value (or more) any time I so desire. Unless the Browns try this discounting crap during the regular season. Then they have artificially lowered the value of my investment and caused me financial harm. And you can bet that if that happens Ballpeen and I won't be the only ones ticked off about it.
You and I might be in a recession but that hardly applies to an NFL team in general or the Browns in particular. C'mon, "pleading poor" for the Browns isn't really the road you want to go down, is it?
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That's the best argument I've seen. Very good point about them artificially lowering your items value.
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