DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Quinn or Anderson - who will be the starter, who should be the starter?

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This ordeal has hurt way more than it will help, every commentary, NFL show, radio show..all say the same thing. We shoulda named a guy awhile back,
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Which again, everybody, every NFL show, former players, coaches, and talking heads all agree that we gain nothing from this.

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anytime the talking heads disagree with what we are doing, I say

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Football 101:
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Worry about your team, your assignment, not about the other team, other guys. Play your game, dictate to them.

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Practice and preparation are everything, games are won in july and august, and during each of practice week. Everybody must be on the same page, at all times. Practice is critical for most positions, especially for QB's, and most skill positions.

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I'm still gonna go on record claiming all of this is smokescreen and Cribbs starts in the wildcat formation.

No one would see that one coming and EM's master plan would be complete!

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What a cluster. It's obviously more important to play head games then to just call it like it is, line up, and play football.

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Good point!

AND as long as he doesn't announce it you and Dong can still hold onto a glimmer of hope for you boy DA.

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hold on, i think it's illegal for me n loyal to have a boy together

i just want the best player on the field. i'm satisfied with a clearly fair qb competition and i trust mangini's decision. that said, i also like the progress quinn (and DA, for that matter) made this offseason, though i think that's partly because we have a good qb coach for once.

i'm also not gonna fully subscribe until i see quinn finish his 12th game. then i'll know his escalators play no part in mangini's decisions.

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j/c

I can't say for sure, but I don't think DA "gave anything away" with his "quote". If you read it in context - i.e. as he reportedly said it, and don't take it OUT of context, all he basically said was " I'll talk to you for 2 minutes" (reporters) "then after that, the rest of us have to go about our normal preparations". (okay, the quote isn't exact).

Now, I don't doubt for a minute that Quinn is the starter. But I also don't doubt for a minute that DA's "quote" may have been taken out of context.

And one thing I know: I don't care who the qb is. Just win.

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I seriously don't get why people are so mad he hasn't publicly named his starter. Who cares, you will know on Sunday and that is all that matters. It really isn't all that important to you and me. I think Mangini and the team know better than You and I, what is good for this team. Let the guy do his job.

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This ordeal has hurt way more than it will help, every commentary, NFL show, radio show..all say the same thing. We shoulda named a guy awhile back,

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Which again, everybody, every NFL show, former players, coaches, and talking heads all agree that we gain nothing from this.

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It disturbs me that EM is more concerned about a team preparing for us, versus us preparing for them.

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Just a general comment .....
I could not possibly care less if he burns incense and sacrifices buckets of fried chicken in his office as long as we win. If he feels that this gives the team a 1/10% advantage, then that's good enough for me.

As far as the QBs .... I hope that whoever wins, wins. That's the bottom line for me.

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Is that Chicken Original Recipe or Extra Crispy....Or does Mangini throw us all for a loop and go with the new Grilled Chicken?

How can we possibly prepare the rest of the meal without knowing what kind of chicken we are going to have????


HACK

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Just a general comment .....
I could not possibly care less if he burns incense and sacrifices buckets of fried chicken in his office as long as we win. If he feels that this gives the team a 1/10% advantage, then that's good enough for me.

As far as the QBs .... I hope that whoever wins, wins. That's the bottom line for me.

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Is that Chicken Original Recipe or Extra Crispy....Or does Mangini throw us all for a loop and go with the new Grilled Chicken?

How can we possibly prepare the rest of the meal without knowing what kind of chicken we are going to have????


HACK

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It's true.

If it's grilled, there's room for side dishes.

If it's fried, there needs to be less sides.

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This ordeal has hurt way more than it will help, every commentary, NFL show, radio show..all say the same thing. We shoulda named a guy awhile back, let him get fully comfortable with the offense, so this offense clicks on all cylinders heading into week one. Why? Because its 100x more important that we have our crap together rather worrying if the other team is prepared.

It disturbs me that EM is more concerned about a team preparing for us, versus us preparing for them. Cuz make no mistake, instead of our QB getting the normal amount of #1 reps, we cut our own guys short, to "fool" the Vikes.

Which again, everybody, every NFL show, former players, coaches, and talking heads all agree that we gain nothing from this. Its simply EM over thinking, bigtime. Furthermore at the end of the day, most intelligent fans knew who should, and who would ultimately be the QB.

Ultimately EM cut Quinn short of reps to play this "game" with the fans and media, over nothing at all.

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"in the long term he's doing more damage than good"

I'll bite...HOW?

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I seriously don't get why people are so mad he hasn't publicly named his starter. Who cares, you will know on Sunday and that is all that matters. It really isn't all that important to you and me. I think Mangini and the team know better than You and I, what is good for this team. Let the guy do his job.

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I'm not happy that the media had to go and blow Mangini's cover.

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In terms of the NFL, 'Gini is an IDIOT for thinking he'd be able to keep this one under his shirt.

He stood a better chance of learning Jesus had been reborn, but decided he wanted to tell a couple of people and hope that didn't get out.

I think 'Gini can do good things here, but this was an idiotic (department of redundance: acknowledged ) move that's now backfired in his face.

I hope he learned his lesson.

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Is that Chicken Original Recipe or Extra Crispy....Or does Mangini throw us all for a loop and go with the new Grilled Chicken?

How can we possibly prepare the rest of the meal without knowing what kind of chicken we are going to have????


HACK

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I don't care if we don't know who the starter is, that isn't even in the discussion to why im upset over this. Its the fact that Quinn (who gonna be the starter for the first time entering a season) coulda used all of this pre-season and camp to be completely comfortable, and have his timing down.

Instead, hes been robbed of reps, EM has played a game in which everyone knew who was gonna win. And is now making an absolute mockery of this org by waiting until Wednesday of game week to let Quinn take over the #1 reps.

Offense better be dang near perfect sunday, but I will bet we have lots of confusion, flase starts, illegal formations, because this offense hasn't had time to gell and be a unit during the pre-season, all because of a mythical advantage over the Vikes.

After all this, and the lost time for Quinn, which will set him back, we better win Sunday.

Has NOTHING to do with the public knowing who the starter is, it has everything to do with the QB's loss of reps, and the fact that the players and coaches didn't know until this week, is a total joke. Theres a reason why usually you name a QB by week 3 at the latest.

Last thing is, I'm pretty sick of reading that the coach always knows more than fans. If this board had been doing the drafting and signing, this team would be about 10x better than the nutcases that have been running the team for the last 10 years.

It has to do with the fact that we sacrificed our guy getting ready, for some "disadvantage for the Vikes" any and every good coach always preaches what?

Play our game, don't worry about them.

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This sounds like a precursor of excuses to come once the annointed one doesn't turn water into wine. I can't believe you people have a problem with competition. Favre didn't get the bulk of the reps in camp I don't think it is a legit excuse. Can you throw? Do you know the offense and the routes? What is the big friggin deal? He should have pretty decent timing with everyone at this time..that goes for both. It's not like one would get 10 and the other 20..we are talking thousands of reps since mini-camp and now. The media has so many of you under their thumb.

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For me, overall I like Mangini. But I think he may have a tendency to "out-think" himself. I think that could be a serious character flaw and is concerning to me. Too much time spent trying to "out-think" your opponent instead of just beating them. When you look to see if someone is going to be a success or failure, you look for promising or disturbing trends. To me, this could be the start of a disturbing trend ... especially since I get the impression that Mangini isn't the best communicator.

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You might be onto something....but "start"? Am I the only one on here that follows the NFL outside our Browns? That has been EM's rep since coming into the league...he obsessively claimed Pats players during the season, he probably drafted a total dud in Gholston in part to not let him go to NE....he distanced himself from his teams often in bad games with his poor body language and constant head shaking (bad communicator? stop that PC BS Rish ...he's a big fat fail job at motivating)

then he comes over here and drafts character over talent and quantity over quality....for a team that desparately needed some speed/athleticism, esp. on D...oh well, Im sure Veikune's nice character will take care of his 4.87 DE speed at LB when he's "trying" to cover ANYbody...

then the Carey-blunder

and now the QB farce

start of a trend? outsmarting is what he did and does best

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And I'll repeat..how does ANYONE here know how many reps each QB has been getting in team drills since practice has been closed off to the media and public? People are crying about how Quinn has lost on reps, but there isn't a soul here who knows with any sort of certainty whatsoever how the reps have been divvied up in practice.

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With Browns head coach Eric Mangini refusing to tell the media – and apparently not even the other players on the team, for that matter – who will start at quarterback for his club in Sunday’s regular-season opener against the Minnesota Vikings, reporters are left to look for themselves to find clues to see if they can unearth the truth and determine if it’s Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson.

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Dude, who cares if someone runs a 4.2 40 or a 4.8 40? Really. Know what the difference is in a normal football play? Nothing.

Give me a 4.8 40 player that plays football over a 4.3 40 guy that has nothing but speed any day. Any day and twice on Sunday.

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Is that Chicken Original Recipe or Extra Crispy....Or does Mangini throw us all for a loop and go with the new Grilled Chicken?

How can we possibly prepare the rest of the meal without knowing what kind of chicken we are going to have????


HACK

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There is your first problem....while you think they are grilling or frying that chicken for you..little do you know, it came with pre grill marks straight from the processing plant. pluas you basically said it..How can Minnesota possibly prepare if they don't know what the main course is.

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And I'll repeat..how does ANYONE here know how many reps each QB has been getting in team drills since practice has been closed off to the media and public? People are crying about how Quinn has lost on reps, but there isn't a soul here who knows with any sort of certainty whatsoever how the reps have been divvied up in practice.

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He's lost out on reps the entire summer. How about last week? Yep, there too. First team reps starting on the Monday (or maybe even Wednesday) prior to the Sunday of the opening game. You can come back and say anything you want, it won't change the fact that he lost out on reps. Period. It's a fact, not opinion. You could say the same thing about DA if he were named the starter. He lost out on valuable time and reps with the first team. Maybe it won't matter, maybe it will. I was actually not all that upset about that aspect of it until this thing drug on too long. I don't like that the competition drug on as long as it did. I don't like that Mangini waited until the week before the opener to make a decision. And I don't like that Mangini is trying to use the fact that there was a competition and a decision to be made as a tool to try and beat another team ... because it offers very, very little in way of a competitive advantage - if any at all - and I believe the negatives of such a charade outweight the positives.

How's this for a mind game? Here's a little snippet from Steve King over at the OBR. I only care about the bolded part here. Maybe it's not true, maybe it is, but the bolded statement is disturbing. Why does King get this impression? I think it's very plausible that Mangini is letting the players figure it out for themselves, which would be downright low. But that fits with everything we know about the guy so far and his "secretive" ways. I don't think that's the best way to coach a team.

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With Browns head coach Eric Mangini refusing to tell the media – and apparently not even the other players on the team, for that matter – who will start at quarterback for his club in Sunday’s regular-season opener against the Minnesota Vikings, reporters are left to look for themselves to find clues to see if they can unearth the truth and determine if it’s Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson.

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http://cle.scout.com/2/897223.html

I am by no means writing Mangini off, but I don't agree in totality with the way he handled this thing, especially here at the end. Hopefully, it all turns out for the best.

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