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I think the fact of the matter in all of the comparisons is this...
If you want me to find a QB who started bad and had a good long career.. I can
If you want me to find one that started bad and stayed bad.. I can
If you want me to find one that started fast and stayed good.. I can
If you want me to find one that started fast then faded.. I can
Then I can throw in a dozen variables about whether they started right away or waited a year or two... or how good the team was they played for... or whether they started on the road or at home...
Point is, whatever you want me to prove by comparing BQ to other QBs, I can prove it... good, bad, or indifferent. That's why it's a pointless exercise.
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Not sure what's causing your astounding lack of reading comprehension but anyway...
I never made a comparison to BQ. Someone else did. My response to that person is easy to find. But since you asked...
Talk about comprehension...U joined in about it so you ARE making a comparision, son...but this is it for me..U guys want to cry about Quinn ,go ahead get a family size box of Kleenex...me ..I'll wait and see a body of work before I say he's good or a bust..
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...yes everyone the sky IS falling.
Personally, I believe that even with more time BQ would not be able to connect with anyone farther than 5 yards down field. His longest pass (outside of garbage time) was in on our first drive to Robert Royal for 18 yards. I was excited to see him make that play, because I know DA would have probably taken the sack. Three an a half quarters later, I realized that that single pass accounted for 20% of our passing offense and he made that play only because he couldn't hit the check down.
Our execution was horrible. Blocking and tackling are two of the basic fundamentals of football. There was no run blocking on the right side of our line or on screens. Under BQ's leaderhship, we still had our fair share of penalties. Unlike last year, there's no difference between 3rd and 5 and 3rd and 15 - we're going to punt either way.
As far as our receivers go - I wasn't at the game so I couldn't see past 9 yards down field (which is still better than Quinn's 3 or 4 - depending on who you ask), but judging by the look on Mangini's face...I'm assuming there were 'open' receivers that were missed more often than not.
How about we play to win again? A big part of our success in '07 was we finally found a QB who could get the ball in the hands of our playmakers. Minnesota has a tough defense. When they're not running the prevent I'll put it somewhere in the top 8. Last year, when our offense was stagnant and DA took the blunt of the blame. In case you don't remember what happened during our first 8 games, here it goes -
Loss to Dallas 10-28
Loss to Pitt 6-10
Loss to Bal 10-28
Beat Cincy 20-12
Beat NYG 35-14
Loss to Washington 11-14
Beat Jacksonville 23-17
Loss to Bal 27-37
DA had a horrible start to last season. In addition to a concussion, six of the first eight games last year were against top 8 defenses (Dallas, Pitt, Bal, NYG, Wash) and the other two were in the middle (Cincy - 12 and Jacksonville - 17). If Brady Quinn wasn't supposed to beat Minn on Sunday and the game is an 'accepted' loss, then a 2-6 start for DA last year should have been acceptable - right? I guess lucky for us we'll only see two more top 8 defenses (twice each tho).
I guess we could go 11-5 but I'm not a believer. This was his second highest rating (anyone want to calculate it without the last drive be my guest), he caused two turnovers, and we lost again. ::sigh::
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I think the fact of the matter in all of the comparisons is this...
If you want me to find a QB who started bad and had a good long career.. I can
If you want me to find one that started bad and stayed bad.. I can
If you want me to find one that started fast and stayed good.. I can
If you want me to find one that started fast then faded.. I can
Then I can throw in a dozen variables about whether they started right away or waited a year or two... or how good the team was they played for... or whether they started on the road or at home...
Point is, whatever you want me to prove by comparing BQ to other QBs, I can prove it... good, bad, or indifferent. That's why it's a pointless exercise.
Great post. I had the same thought about the statistics involved, but you said it very succinctly.
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"Personally, I believe that even with more time BQ would not be able to connect with anyone farther than 5 yards down field."
Well you just threw all credibility out the window with your "Personal beliefs"  How am I to read the garbage that follows and take it seriously.
Get back to me when you are ready to talk football 
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Personally, I believe that even with more time BQ would not be able to connect with anyone farther than 5 yards down field. His longest pass (outside of garbage time) was in on our first drive to Robert Royal for 18 yards. I was excited to see him make that play, because I know DA would have probably taken the sack. Three an a half quarters later, I realized that that single pass accounted for 20% of our passing offense and he made that play only because he couldn't hit the check down.
I think your argument is self-defeating... you state that he did it early and you state that he did it late... but you also state that you don't think he will ever be able to do it... (and you also left out the one in the middle that was ruled out of bounds, pass interference, etc)... so if he can do it once in a while, can't he, as he gets more comfortable, do it more often?
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Of course I can admit I am wrong. Of course you clearly left out that Anderson had 44 yards rushing on 2 carries. His longest being a 33 yard scamper where he "Ran Over" Greg Wesley in route to a 33 yard run....You know the Run that set us up to Win the game....big players make big plays when the game is on the line....ohyeah, Quinn lost the Denver game throwing a 4 yard pass to Winslow....he attempted like 4 straight 3-4 yard passes...yeah thats going to help... Anderson 44 yards rushing and his 33 yard scamper down the sidelines is not necessarily reflected in the QB rating, but it counts none the less....Many people have this misconception Anderson can't run, he can..he just doesn't like to, but if he has too, see Kansas City..he is a big boy and can run folks over if he has to. I am not worried though, we WILL see Anderson soon enough... http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=261203005
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Sorry TopDawg  With that being said, I am done talking about this Quinn/ Anderson topic...I know who the Better QB is...i'll leave it at that. I am sure Brady will play exactly how I expect him to. Please note, If Quinn proves me wrong I will be "tickled pink" I just want to win...thats all...Just what I have seen out of Quinn in 4 games so far just doesn't give me the mind of a NFL Franchise Qb... we shall see though..
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Well you just threw all credibility out the window with your "Personal beliefs" How am I to read the garbage that follows and take it seriously.
Get back to me when you are ready to talk football
Wow - is it really that serious? The only reason I said "Personally" was because I can't grant BQ an extra two seconds per pass play and prove my opinion fact.
The title of this thread is Quinn Talk, so obviously you're going to get rants like mine above. Garbage is what I saw from BQ last Sunday while a rant is what my post was labeled.
Why are you calling me out?
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ohyeah, Quinn lost the Denver game throwing a 4 yard pass to Winslow....he attempted like 4 straight 3-4 yard passes...yeah thats going to help...
The thing I hate about this Anderson / Quinn debate is that I like DA, I really do. I just think Quinn is the better QB and the more I read the more I feel compelled to disparage DA, which it's not my intention to do..
But the above quote is so beyond stupid that it requires a response.
First of all we entered the 4th quarter with a 10 point lead and in the middle of the 4th, had a 9 play drive for a TD... yea, it was 3 passes by Quinn at the end that caused us to lose... had nothing to do with the 21 points we gave up in the 4th quarter... 
Why not blame the defense that was supposed to be protecting a lead and gave up a 93 yard, one play TD drive to a WIDE OPEN Eddie Royal? Why not blame Winslow who fumbled a first down reception on our next drive and gave them the ball back at midfield? And as for the 4 straight 3 or 4 yard passes... we had picked up 9 yards on first down, we were near mid-field with over a minute to play... then missed 3 straight short passes... obviously getting the first down wasn't important, we should have just been chucking the ball downfield...
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Not sure what's causing your astounding lack of reading comprehension but anyway...
I never made a comparison to BQ. Someone else did. My response to that person is easy to find. But since you asked...
Talk about comprehension...U joined in about it so you ARE making a comparision, son...but this is it for me..U guys want to cry about Quinn ,go ahead get a family size box of Kleenex...me ..I'll wait and see a body of work before I say he's good or a bust..
The comparison I made was that on Sunday, September 13th, 2009, Kurt Warner, Marc Bulger, Carson Palmer and Jay Cutler were established NFL quarterbacks, and Brady Quinn was not. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm sorry you fail to see that.
I am not crying about Quinn, and I have never said that he's a bust. I want him to get 16 games to prove that he's the man. If he is, great. If he continues to play like he did last Sunday, time to cut bait and move on.
You're not my father, so please refrain from calling me son. Thanks.
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obviously the defense gets the blame too but this isn't "08 broncos game discussion," it's "quinn talk."
yes, it's important to get the first down but it's still all about context. if we're down by a score, with a minute left in the game, and we start at our own 30, why in the world would the next 5 pass attempts all be 3-4 yard passes, with only one completion nonetheless? that speaks more about quinn's throwing preferences than anything else, which is the point. it's consistent with everything he's done in the league up until now and citing that game along with his past tendencies, we could've anticipated that he was going to do the very same thing if in the same situation against the vikings and sure enough, that's what he did.
up until that one scoring drive, which was in garbage time, he was a little over 100 yards, an int, and a fumble. when we're down by two scores, how are we going to dink and dunk down the field? two different coordinators calling different games with the same targeting tendencies. that speaks more to quinn's playing than it does coaches handcuffing him.
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And on a side note did you score or not???
I had to stop and wonder why a sports-bar waitress gave me her number, and how many other dudes have wandered through that territory, so the answer is negatory good buddy.
To quote Stewie Griffin, I wondered how little tread was left on those tires, and if it was like throwing a hot-dog down a hallway 
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I think your argument is self-defeating... you state that he did it early and you state that he did it late... but you also state that you don't think he will ever be able to do it... (and you also left out the one in the middle that was ruled out of bounds, pass interference, etc)...
My first sentence was written more out of frustration/sarcasm than for an argument. The sad part is that I may only have missed one additional throw.
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Great defenses don't make mistakes very often. Great offenses make you pay for your mistakes almost every time. I refuse to believe Minnesota played perfect defense on Quinn for 3.75 quarters. Again, judging by Mangini's face and press conference - there were more opportunities down field for Quinn that we didn't cash in on. I'd hate to sacrifice points for completion percentage because our QB isn't 'comfortable' throwing a longer pass that's open.
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People can say all they want that there were other QBs that had bad weekends as well, but the difference is that those QBs (Palmer, Bulger, Cutler, Warner) have proven track records of success at the professional level. Brady doesn't (he also had a passer rating in the 40s going into the last drive of the fourth quarter).
That is your opening shot..yet you failed to say NONE were established yet either (U keep basing your remarks on their overrall track record not the fact they were new in the league)..so it seems U failed on several levels..son 
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if we're down by a score, with a minute left in the game, and we start at our own 30, why in the world would the next 5 pass attempts all be 3-4 yard passes, with only one completion nonetheless? that speaks more about quinn's throwing preferences than anything else, which is the point. it's consistent with everything he's done in the league up until now and citing that game along with his past tendencies, we could've anticipated that he was going to do the very same thing if in the same situation against the vikings and sure enough, that's what he did.
Quinn had 10 completions in the Denver game of 15 yards or more to 4 different receivers, Edwards, Stallworth, Winslow, and Lewis.. In our final scoring drive of that game, to retake the lead in the 4th quarter, he had a 30 yard completion and an 18 yard completion....
So it's not really consistent with everything we've seen.
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well that still doesn't tell the whole story. if you look at the vikings game, he had plenty of 10-18 yard "completions" but in the description, 30 of his 35 attempts were characterized as "shot pass" meaning much of the yardage was after the catch. now, there's nothing wrong with that and for the first 3 quarters, that's fine with me but, as the part you quoted, when the game is on the line with a minute left and you're in your own territory, you're not saying you're concerned that all the passes were short attempts?
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And on a side note did you score or not???
I had to stop and wonder why a sports-bar waitress gave me her number, and how many other dudes have wandered through that territory, so the answer is negatory good buddy.
To quote Stewie Griffin, I wondered how little tread was left on those tires, and if it was like throwing a hot-dog down a hallway
Who cares why the Hot Sports-bar waitress gave you her number!...why is irrelevant...there is just "do"..no whys...
Besides, it will give you something to do if Quinn stinks it up again on sunday....nothing like a good romp to change the mood
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Well you just threw all credibility out the window with your "Personal beliefs" How am I to read the garbage that follows and take it seriously.
Get back to me when you are ready to talk football
What are you doing here then? Most everything posted on here is personal beliefs.....
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30 of his 35 attempts were characterized as "shot pass" meaning much of the yardage was after the catch.
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Penalty on MIN-C.Griffin, Defensive Pass Interference, declined. Minnesota challenged the ineligible receiver ruling, and the play was REVERSED. B.Quinn pass deep left to B.Edwards for 34 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on MIN-C.Griffin, Defensive Pass Interference, 28 yards, enforced at MIN 34 - No Play.
That throw went 40 yards in the air and the first time they classify it as "pass short left".....  I really have no idea how far one has to actually throw it for it to be "deep" versus "short" and I notice that there is no in between... and don't really care.
I know what you mean dong and have no interest in pursuing this much further. Quinn was throwing almost everything underneath... by design? by choice? I have no idea. I'd like to see them open it up a bit and let the kid play. I've seen him throw enough 20+ yard strikes to know he can, I just want to see him do it a little more often....
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That throw went 40 yards in the air and the first time they classify it as "pass short left"..... I really have no idea how far one has to actually throw it for it to be "deep" versus "short" and I notice that there is no in between... and don't really care.
The sad part about that throw is that it wasn't even 40 yards and was well underthrown..it was a 70 degree day in cleveland with no wind..That is scary.
Noone won the competition so to speak...I truly believe Quinn is being forced down Manginis throat by Lerner, the media and fan base...he probably would like to see what we have in this guy so he knows what to do financially about him for next year. I believe if DA started that Minnesota game we would be 1-0 instead of 0-1. That is just my opinion of course, but we actually were running against these guys efficiently, and a few completions downfield they wouldn't have been stacking the box like they were.
Everything that was supposed to be Quinns strengths, were dispelled. He was not Joe cool in the pocket, he was rather erratic and happy feet. He was not accurate on short throws, he did not protect the ball and at one point in the third Quarter threw three straight passes into double and triple coverage. It was truly one of the worst games I have ever seen by a QB. He was scared to throw down field, and guys were open. He doesn't look pro ready at all, and if he wasn't Brady Quinn and a first round pick, he wouldn't even have started that game or got the nod. JMHO..He better pick it up, after watching how other QB's have been treated by this fan base in lieu of Quinn..the precedense has been set on how to act. 
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DA's 33-yard TD run 3 years ago has little bearing on anything.
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It was truly one of the worst games I have ever seen by a QB.
You must not have watched a lot of football in your life.
I'd rank it in the top 5 of worst Browns QB performances since '99.
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When did that happen ?
vs. the Chiefs in 2006... DA came off the bench at CBS and we won it OT.
it wasn't for a TD but IIRC it set up the game-winning field goal.
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I wish he had already been the second coming of Joe Montana, if for no other reason, to end this "debate" that isn't. As bad as our O-Line is, neither is ever going to be given an adequate chance to succeed.
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That's the sad part..I do!
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Quinn is going to throw Four touchdowns to Edwards on Sunday, and Lewis is going to rush for Two touchdowns. The tight ends and other backs are also going to have big days and Massaquoi, or whomever are going to have 100 yard days also. The Browns are going to win~! And if not, then at least we'll have one more game to see the REAL Brady Quinn and see what can be done to help the Browns win!  It's Believeland! Quinn to Edwards!
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People can say all they want that there were other QBs that had bad weekends as well, but the difference is that those QBs (Palmer, Bulger, Cutler, Warner) have proven track records of success at the professional level. Brady doesn't (he also had a passer rating in the 40s going into the last drive of the fourth quarter).
That is your opening shot..yet you failed to say NONE were established yet either (U keep basing your remarks on their overrall track record not the fact they were new in the league)..so it seems U failed on several levels..son
What on earth are you talking about? Of course I am basing my comments on their overall track record. That is the entire point of what I am trying to say: a proven QB gets the benefit of the doubt if he has a off game. An unproven QB (such as Quinn) does not.
You are completely unable to grasp my very elementary point and at this point, you're just baiting and trolling.
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Usually at this point(point of no return ) I stop replying...U just proved what I said you were doing..so I'm done..I said you cannot take a established QB's overall track record and then say Quinn can't get the benefit of the doubt because he's just starting out......how can you not give him a chance when he's not established a track record yet?
2 1/2 games last year and one this year???
Any successful QB who started out crappy was given time..if not with the team that drafted them, with the next team..
Quinn book is just opening this season..
Lets do his..lets go this route and see what he does now..I see a tendency and I'm going to see if it comes to the surface again or he comes out.
I see him as a QB who wants to play it safe.. while thats fine to a degree he's going to have to take chances and go downfield...now Mang can't handcuff him by starting Cribbs as the # 2..any DC seeing him and not a natural wideout will certainly play schemes to keep Edwards locked down with little threat coming from anyone else..and throwing to Royal 8 -10 times won't cut it.
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I have to agree, I love Cribbs and his energy but am very surprised we aren't seeing either of our first day picks out there flanking wide
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j/c overall here...
It is a bummer that this has degenerated into what it has.
What I see in Cleveland is 2 QBs that have starts in this league. I think everyone (on here) should take a step back. Step outside of Browns fandom and look at our situation.
We have one QB who has been in the league for 3 years, and has 4 starts, but was drafted in the 1st round and the team gave up a lot for him. He has thrown 3 TDs and 3 INTs in his career and a career completion percentage around 60% and is 1-3 in said starts.
And we have a QB who was drafted in the 6th round, and was picked up from a division rival practice squad and has 27 starts in the NFL, and a record of 12-15 in said starts. Hes thrown 38 TDs and 29(ish) INTs as a starter, and roughly a 58% completion percentage.
One QB stretches defenses...the other Methodically can plod down the field with smart passes.
They both have issues with accuracy.
One QB has issues with reading defenses but throws the ball downfield very well.
The other QB reads defenses very well but struggles throwing the ball downfield.
We have 2 QBs with upsides and downsides. We have gotten way too involved with their names. Fact is both QBs have limited experience. Quinn has very limited but hasnt shown much...but has the potential to do so.
The other...despite what many say...has shown a lot of upside and has won some games.
The way i see it is that Quinn won the competition and is the starter...I think it was the wrong decision, but thats ok and unrelated here. But I dont think that he deserves a very long leash. Neither he or Anderson were brought in by Mangini...so theres no reason to think that anyone who doesnt perform should be not allowed to start. Be it Quinn, Anderson, Mosley, Bowens, Lewis, or ANYONE. Quinn should not be special. Give him some games...but when (or if) the season starts to fade away, it needs a spark. Anderson is the kind of guy who could spark a team into playing good football, becaus ehe would change up the style and catch teams off guard. It would work the other way around too in Anderson started and flamed out. cuz Quinn would work it down the field in extended drives.
Forget the names of our guys and how we got them. We als ohave to stop bashing each other. Everyone has a preference and thats fine. but yikes.
But everyone has to realize that if Quinn plays the way he played sunday that he should not be allowed to start anymore. So he has to improve, and if he doesnt...he should be gone. sooner rather than later. Period. I think that that should be the opinion of everyone.
Improve...and show that youve improved. or stop starting. i think we can debate about the amount of time he gets. I give him until we're 3 games under .500...and then we try something else. I say this because...i believe we have the tools to win games. We can win with the tools we have here. Our defense will keep us in games...and contrary to previous thoughts...i think our running game will suffice. Its really on our QB to win games right now, because we have the tools everywhere else.
"It has to start somewhere
It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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it wasn't even 40 yards and was well underthrown..
If I remember BE had to move forward two yards to catch it after the contact ... underthrow? Wouldn't he have to move backwards? Or stop? This comment is insidious.
This thread is amazing...
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Its really on our QB to win games right now, because we have the tools everywhere else.
That was a great post.
The quote above is why I saw a 4-5 game swing in terms of wins and put it squarely on the QB's shoulders. I also agree that the QB play this year means that much.
Hopefully, we'll have some positive stuff to talk about after the Broncos game.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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it wasn't even 40 yards and was well underthrown..
If I remember BE had to move forward two yards to catch it after the contact ... underthrow? Wouldn't he have to move backwards? Or stop? This comment is insidious.
This thread is amazing...
Just went back and watched the replay...
Definitely an underthrown ball...and a bit of a duck. Although if Quinn put it where it needed to go, BE probably has no shot at catching it due to the interference.
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The sad part about that throw is that it wasn't even 40 yards and was well underthrown..it was a 70 degree day in cleveland with no wind..That is scary.
Dude, go back and watch the video at www.nfl.com... Quinn didn't even come close to throwing that ball as hard as he can. If it was way short (which I still contend it wasn't all that short) but even if it was, it wasn't because that's as far as he can throw it.
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