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Take a look at this team right now. How many "core" players do we have? 5 or 6? How many of the rest are legit guys?

No, we're one of the least talented teams in the league. It's been a trickle-down effect since those idiots in '99 bumbled our drafts. Then Butch flubbed the drafts, then Savage flubbed the drafts. That has led us here.

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...and Mangini flubbed the draft...I know too early to tell.....

We need to stick with a coach and let him forge a team with an identity. We haven't done this since 99. We give a coach a few years and as soon as we feel its been long enough--we fire him.

Then we start over.

Then we start over.

Then we start over.

What does this accomplish other than constant turnover and no real shot at establishing anything here in Cleveland.

Butch and Romeo both found a successful season in Cleveland----and then we found some reason to fire them and start over.

What should have happened is we should have stuck with them for a few more seasons. Let them work out the problems, learn what it takes to win consistently in The League.

We need to give a coach a real shot to build something here. Establish an identity for Cleveland Browns Football. Put a system in place that carries over from year to year. Provide a foundation that each rookie class can come into and have a sense of what it means to play here, what is expected, who is in charge, how things are going to operate, what we are striving for.

We have not had this in Cleveland. We keep running through new coaches, new FO, new players, new personnel, new motives, new ideas, new plans, new schemes, etc, etc.

How is any rookie going to come in here and expect to develop properly. Just when things start becoming familiar---we start all over. Just when we start bringing pieces together we ship a bunch of guys out to fit a new scheme brought on by a new coach.

If we can keep the same guys for 5-6 years then we have 5-6 drafts to pick up players and let them develop under the same coaches--with the same schemes. This brings more familiarity with your teammates, with whats expected, with how the schemes work, with the whole franchise.

And suddenly, the team starts to establish an identity.

Until we pick a group of people in the FO, and on the sidelines-----we will never find consistent success in the NFL.

They both had successful campaigns, and shortly thereafter they were fired.

If they weren't capable they wouldn't have ever fielded a competitive club.

Both of them did this.

No one really knows what they could have done with another few years.

I'm not trying to pimp either guy---just saying that we need to stick with the guys we hire----give them 5-6 years to build a team and an identity.

I don't think hiring and firing every few years does anything to help this franchise. I am sick of starting over again and again.

Butch was on the verge of a mental breakdown, and the team totally and completely quit on the nutty professor. To have kept either any longer than we did would have been a disaster for everyone involved.

Butch resigned, Tyler.

He was trying to do everything and didn't want to let go of the gm reigns if I remember correctly. The team won something around 5 of his last 20 games.

And didn't he have snitches in the locker room that caused a stir?

Romeo was let go because he couldn't field a team with any identity. You must have forgotten the lack of game planning, no adjustments being made that was the hallmark of Romeo. The inmates running the asylum.

It was unfortunate that Romeo and Phil were not on the same page but they don't have to be when you prepare a team like Romeo did. I don't think it would matter who Phil would bring in. Romeo was a poor head coach. Period.


As for Mangini, I am very very skeptical and suspicious of his abilities and talent evaluation. I think his leash will be very short. He rubbed the Cleveland media and fans the wrong way and unless he shows them something to hang their hat on he may be gone quicker than you might like. Maybe 2 years? He isn't winning friends and that may be his downfall . . .unless he wins games of course.