|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
That dn't have any trade value. What about Jackson 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,405
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,405 |
Quote:
And has anyone even thought whats going to happen to Edwards by Doc Goodale if they levy any punishment for the nightclub incident ?
I hope, for the Browns and NFL's sake, its heavy. BE got what he wanted and this can look like a reward and not a punishment.
"My signature line goes here."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 901
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 901 |
Wow, I just got to work and heard about it. I'm ok w/it.
Conditional 2nd round pick? Any confirmation on that? And Stuckey?
Wow, just wow.
Mangini and Kokonis are certainly not scared to make moves they think will help.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,858
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,858 |
Didn't feel like checking through 5 pages of posts to see if this is posted already,,, If it is, I guess it doesn't hurt anything http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/10/cleveland_browns_trade_braylon.html Quote:
Braylon Edwards traded by Cleveland Browns to New York Jets for two players and draft picks
By Tony Grossi
October 07, 2009, 8:29AM
John Kuntz, The Plain DealerFittingly, Braylon Edwards (left) has a catchable pass go off his hands in his final game with the Cleveland Browns, last Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals
Updated with Eric Mangini quotes: 10:57 a.m. EDT
BEREA, Ohio -- In the clearest demonstration yet that it's Eric Mangini's way or the highway, the Cleveland Browns traded receiver Braylon Edwards to the New York Jets today.
The deal, while Edwards is still being investigated by Cleveland police and the NFL for allegedly punching a man outside a nightclub early Monday morning, also reflects the Jets' desperation to provide a No. 1 receiver for rookie franchise quarterback Mark Sanchez.
Mangini also traded with the Jets, his former team, to hand-deliver them Sanchez on the day of the draft. The Jets announced the terms.
Coming to the Browns are receiver Chansi Stuckey; Jason Trusnik, a linebacker and special teams player from Macedonia and Ohio Northern University; and undisclosed draft picks.
"Looking at this opportunity, this was a real good thing for us and a good thing for Braylon and I wish him all the best," Mangini said this morning. "Personal conduct is important to me. Opportunities come up at different times. Looking at this one vs. other ones we had, talking to other teams, I thought this was good for us.
"Contrary to popular belief, we do trade with teams other than the Jets, and we do talk to teams other than the Jets. You move forward based on that."
Mangini added that the trade gives new opportunity to Brian Robiskie, the rookie from Ohio State who has dressed for just two of the Browns' four games after being drafted in the second round in April. Mangini said he will not name the starting wide receivers for Sunday's game against Buffalo until later in the week.
The Jets don't have their No. 3 or No. 4 depending on a previous trade. Edwards ran afoul of Mangini's team rules long before the latest incident. He was drinking with receiver Donte Stallworth the night of Stallworth's tragic DUI accident. He was an infrequent participant in Mangini's offseason program, and missed several practices in the offseason and training camp with an undisclosed injury believed to have occurred in a pickup basketball game.
While professing to "buy in" to Mangini's selfless team concept, Edwards was known to pout when he wasn't the focal point of the Browns' offense. Edwards' nightclub incident happened the night after Edwards had an altercation in the game against Cincinnati and also failed to catch a pass for the first time in his career.
Edwards was nearly traded to the New York Giants in April, but the Giants declined to give up their No. 1 draft pick. At the time, former Browns tight end Kellen Winslow said Edwards would love to play in New York.
Well, the Jets, according to this article don't have either thier 3rd or 4th rounder. What exactly that means to us, I'm not sure.. I suppose it could be we get a 2nd rounder or a 3rd conditional to whether or not that even have one and then one other pick from 5th on down..
I may be reading that wrong....
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,761
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,761 |
Quote:
and your argument about deep routes, glad you brought it up....Stucky is the deep target for the Jets....Cotchery is the underneath guy.
anything else?
Must be a pretty bad deep guy at 11yds/catch and Cotchery at 15.5 (and 12.8 career)...talk about shooting yourself in the foot, lol
#gmstrong
"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
Just a side note regarding Stuckey: Quote:
Comment: Stuckey has adequate size and strength with good initial quickness off the line of scrimmage. He is very quick in and out of breaks. He can locate the open area in zones with good stop and restart ability. He is exciting with the ball in his hands. He has good lateral movement and run instincts. His strength is suspect and he can be easily re-routed by physical press corners. He is a below-average blocker in the run game.
That's ESPN's scouting report for him. These are always based on last year's evaluations.
Reads like Northcutt but without the dropsies.
Edwards is going to have a really good year in New York. His problem has ALWAYS been that he doesn't play well unless he's interested, involved, and loved unconditionally. He'll get ALL of that in New York.
IF the "rumor" is true that it's a 3rd which could turn into a 2nd if he catches X-amount of balls, then we're going to be a 2nd round pick for him.
This is one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't/no win situations" for the Browns. If we keep Edwards, we run the very real risk of not getting much production out of him. But if we trade him to a place where he wants to be like New York, his interest-meter pegs off the reader and he has a big year.
In short, we get the sorry Edwards if we keep him but the Jets get the 2007 Edwards if we trade him.
I will say I would have held out for a 2nd no matter what. The Jets aren't likely to be picking very high, so if it's a 3rd round selection, we could be talking about a player as low as the 85th selection.
I'm not sure I like this trade. If it turns into a 2nd, I'll be pleased. If it's a 3rd, Stuckey better give us 30-40 balls the rest of the year, equating to a 50-60 catch season.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531 |
The way I look at it...it may or may not be a good move.
But it was a necessary move based on the stuff coming out of Berea.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521 |
Quote:
Quote:
if you're really happy to trade a top 5 pick talent for a late 7th, so be it.
After a few years in the league, it's not about where you were drafted, it's about what you've done.
According to you logic, if in 2004 New England contacted Cincinnati about dealing Tom Brady for Peter Warrick, Cincy would have been crazy to take the deal because Warrick was a top 5 pick and Brady was drafted in the 6th.
Completely flawed logic. In 2004 Brady was a well-established QB in the NFL (your "not where you were drafted but what you've done" statement). However, in 2009 Stuckey is far from established as anything more than a role player in the NFL. If Stuckey turns out to have a great career in Cleveland, then getting him for Braylon was a good move. If he doesn't, which I would argue is the more likely scenario, then maybe it wasn't such a hot move.
Not sure how I feel about the trade as a whole. Kinda glad a headcase is gone, but I really think we got fleeced on the return. I have a feeling BE is going to light it up in NYC, too.
What I do know is that a receiving corps comprising Mohammed Massaquoi, Brian Robiskie, Mike Furrye, Josh Cribbs, and Chansi Stuckey strikes fear in the hearts of no one. I hope our OLine is ready to sack up, because they're going to be dealing with 7 or 8 guys constantly.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,069
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,069 |
ESPN is reporting a 5th rounder and a conditional 3rd (could be bumped to a 2nd pending performance)... According to an NFL source, the Jets gave up draft picks in the third and fifth rounds in the deal, Schefter reported. The third-round pick is a conditional pick and could turn into second-round pick if Edwards catches a certain number of passes this season. That is said to be a high number, but if Edwards lights it up in New York the way the Jets are hoping, the Browns then would get a second-round pick in return. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4538498
Last edited by TripleOption; 10/07/09 12:45 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,858
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,858 |
Quote:
It's called deductive logic...since decent QBs have a 60%+ comp rate....and in Stuckey's case:
Oh, I see.. So there wasn't any official statement from anyone with authority to make such statements.. it was something you came up with by yourself.,.,
OK,, I got it... Still, I think that No Logos post kinda makes your deductive reasoning seem completely out of touch.. Don't you? I mean, if your analysis had any value, it would have to demonstrate that the those considered to be the best receivers in the league would have a percentage well above that 60% number.
Right?
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 93
Practice Squad
|
|
Practice Squad
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 93 |
Quote:
Yes, T-dawg, I think MoMass made some great plays. I don't think Brayin' Edwards gets too much credit.
I give credit to a hungry young kid who showed some heart, made some NFL circus catches, and helped his team get into OT. He didn't win it. But neither did the great PBer do SQUAT to help us. Whatever we get can only be a step up. As I said elsewhere, even a little poison in your waterhole is a bunch. Take NOTHING away from MoMass! He earned it, he sparkled, he produced. He-WhO-Is-Gone has not and did not. 
T-dawg lol i like that. Trust me I am not trying to take anything away from Momass. I was at the game and after about his 4th catch I turned to my dad and said " I think we just found our number 2 WR." after his 6th catch I said "He is a stud." All I know is the whole game the coverage was shading BE's way, I don't know whether or not Momass would have had the game he did if they didn't and neither do you, but I would like to think he would. We will find out because until Stuckey is ready to play Momass is our number 1 WR so he will see plenty of double teams.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 553
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 553 |
the kiwi rumor was popping up before draft time and was one of many, including one involving quinn for cutler that was made up by a forum poster as a practical joke. rumors are rumors for a reason. the strongest one happened to be BE for a receiver and a 2nd. mangini obviously saw potential in edwards for the positive and the negative. he wouldn't trade him for less than what he perceived the value was, but also drafted 2 WRs high in case he tanked again. you call that stupid or wishy washy, i call it hedging your bets. those 2 picks put braylon on notice that the team wasn't nearly as chained to him as it was before, which should have been a motivator for the guy to showcase himself. it doesn't currently look like he chose to take it that way. in fact now we see a lot of signs that braylon just refused to accept accountability or bought into mangini's style at all. he was getting rowdy on the field and off, making smarmy semi-surly comments to reporters, a lot of red flags. braylon was melting down in a hurry and he had to go before he did more damage to a team which looked like it was playing its heart out on sunday. you call it panic, i call it the straw. the trade itself only really looks bad compared to the giants trade if stuckey sucks, although i would rather we got Oline help. if braylon is that much of a jackass in NY, that 3rd might be pretty high, and if he does well over there, it looks like it turns into a 2nd? (if the rumors are true) which would be comparable to the gent's trade offer. i'll stand by my sig, and thank you for providing a statement which encapsulates so well your blind agenda driven drivel. it's too bad you can't just stop after you make one or two decent points.  *edited for typo.
Last edited by hooter; 10/07/09 01:09 PM.
A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams.
John Barrymore
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 386
1st String
|
|
1st String
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 386 |
One Drop??? he had 2 alone in the Cincinnati game
I am the artist that was known as Dawgmanincincy
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 626
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 626 |
Toad is exactly right. BE will light it up in New York because he wants to be there and New York will love him.
There will be people on here clamoring that we gave him up for nothing because he's so good with the jets, or saying that "see what he can do with a good QB?" But the truth is that BE was going to be crap with us and good with the Jets or Giants or Cowboys. That's just who he is.
The trade value is what it is. We probably couldn't get much more for him because of the question marks he's stamped onto his career - dropped passes, bad attitude, now law trouble. He'll be great in NY, but will still drop an easy pass now and then.
We got what we could for him. Better than nothing, which is what we had at 0-4 and zero catches in five quarters against the bengals.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,761
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,761 |
Jesus, here goes: Fitzgerald career: 440of740 = 61% C.Johnson career: 147of285 = 52% BUT young, QBs? AND high AVG A.Johnson: as mentioned...ridiculous high % Boldin: see AJohnson R.White last 3 years since starter: 186of305= 61% Moss last 3 (productive) years: 196of330= 59% high AVG Wayne: over 66% Ward: 403of621 = 65% S.Smith 366of558 = 66% Cotchery: 258of399 = 65% B.Edwards: 237of494 = 48% you can really do this with every other WR not mentioned by no logo so now tell me that wasn't a valif argument to trade BE after his PB season
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248 |
Quote:
We got what we could for him. Better than nothing, which is what we had at 0-4 and zero catches in five quarters against the bengals.
Exactly. I've said it several times ... the alternative was to hold on to a self-absorbed, zero-producing locker room cancer who had already quit on the team ... and hope to get a 3rd/4th rounder as compensation after he left us this year (a 100% certainty). Instead, we got rid or somebody who was the focus of almost all our off-field issues and got a 2nd/3rd rounder instead. Oh, plus a replacement receiver, a special teamer and another draft pick to boot. How is this possibly worse than the alternative?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248 |
On the bright-side, he's now changed his argument from, "This was a bad trade" to, "We should of traded him last year". 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,558
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,558 |
j/c
All i can say is WOOHOO! I'm glad he's gone. That was part of the problem with this team, to many "me" players.
#gmstrong
Live, Love, Laugh
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465 |
Quote:
I will say I would have held out for a 2nd no matter what.
Absolutely.
As of right now...I don't like this trade.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,520
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,520 |
Quote:
"THIS SPACE FOR RENT"
Put Django here...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 93
Practice Squad
|
|
Practice Squad
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 93 |
Quote:
Quote:
Take the 26 targets minus the 11 catches and the 2 drops and you are left with 13 non-catches. Unless you have seen all 13 of them and deemed them catchable that is a rediculous statment.
No, it's an indicator...Sanchez, after all, is hitting at 57%...and better WR have better %....it IS an indicator for effectiveness, getting open, getting separation etc....of course there are throw aways etc....but given a larger sample size, it is a pretty common indicator....go look up BE to other #1 WR ie
re moves: should have said significant moves and yes I liked the tradedown to 17 (not those to 21, another discussion though) but it a move isn't good in my book if not played out "good", the trade down wasn't isolated after all
Just looked up three of some of the best in the game:
C Johnson targets-39 Rec-21 % caught 53
A johnson targets- 38 Rec-20 % caught 52
S. Smith(Car) targets 35 Rec- 15 % caught 42
Now do these WR's suck? Or is it possible that they have had less than stellar QB play?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,761
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,761 |
Quote:
j/c
All i can say is WOOHOO! I'm glad he's gone. That was part of the problem with this team, to many "me" players.
Yeah, wohoo...let's construct a roster of 40 STeamers and yessayers that are happy to worship Mangini and at least get the league minimum...wohooo
@tiffin
just look at my last post...sample size, S.Smith has way over 60%...there are only a handful of very good ones under 60%
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 93
Practice Squad
|
|
Practice Squad
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 93 |
Quote:
Jesus, here goes:
Fitzgerald career: 440of740 = 61%
C.Johnson career: 147of285 = 52% BUT young, QBs? AND high AVG
A.Johnson: as mentioned...ridiculous high %
Boldin: see AJohnson
R.White last 3 years since starter: 186of305= 61%
Moss last 3 (productive) years: 196of330= 59% high AVG
Wayne: over 66%
Ward: 403of621 = 65%
S.Smith 366of558 = 66%
Cotchery: 258of399 = 65%
B.Edwards: 237of494 = 48%
you can really do this with every other WR not mentioned by no logo
so now tell me that wasn't a valif argument to trade BE after his PB season
Ok so just use his yrs prior to 08 and 09.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248 |
Django is to this board what Braylon was to the Browns' lockroom. If we traded Django to the Browns Board for a thumb drive and a 5-year old with a good attitude ... we'd come out ahead.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,070
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,070 |
Quote:
I think Mangini should have brought him into his office and told him he was stuck with this team for the season....that if he wanted to get paid in the offseason he would do what he said and that in return Mangini would help make sure he was a focal point of the offense to get him those stats (as that would mean the offense was doing well anyway).
Doesn't that mean we'd be "stuck" with him as well? BE has already proven in his 5th season that he's an unreliable receiver as well as a poor locker room guy with NOW off field problems to boot.
You can't fault Mangini for trying to clean up our roster while not only trying to get better this year, but for years to come as well.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,276
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,276 |
Quote:
Django is to this board what Braylon was to the Browns' lockroom. If we traded Django to the Browns Board for a thumb drive and a 5-year old with a good attitude ... we'd come out ahead.
Now that made me
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,276
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,276 |
j/c...But can ANYONE tell me what point he is trying to get across?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,744
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,744 |
Where's Diam for the... Stats are for losers. Seriously you can make stats say what you want them to say. As for the trade it sucks we didn't get a 2nd round pick and probably will not. The report of ESPN said the numbers were so astronomically high he most likely won't hit them.
So for a disgruntled, me-first, just got in trouble for assult WR
1) Stucky- Most likely a solid #2 WR. Worst case a solid slot guy.
2) Jason Trusnick- Good Special Teamer
3) 3rd round pick- I would rather think of it as a 3rd then get my hopes up for a 2nd
4) 5th. round pick-
This is move that needed to be done and I understand the reasons to wait. This trade is okay-good but not a Herschel Walker trade. Most likely both teams will be happy unless Edwards gets suspended and never developed then we could look real good.
Go Browns!!![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/BrowniePoints/AndersonSnowPic.jpg)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38
Rookie
|
|
Rookie
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38 |
Just clicking on you.
My biggest concern in all of this is it came from the Jets, again. EM seems to love his old players as much as Botch loved his. It just seems like are decision people undervalue what we have, and overvalue what other people have.
Finally, The Maskedman has come back, to the true Cleveland Browns Message Board.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 93
Practice Squad
|
|
Practice Squad
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 93 |
Quote:
Where's Diam for the... Stats are for losers. Seriously you can make stats say what you want them to say. As for the trade it sucks we didn't get a 2nd round pick and probably will not. The report of ESPN said the numbers were so astronomically high he most likely won't hit them.
So for a disgruntled, me-first, just got in trouble for assult WR
1) Stucky- Most likely a solid #2 WR. Worst case a solid slot guy.
2) Jason Trusnick- Good Special Teamer
3) 3rd round pick- I would rather think of it as a 3rd then get my hopes up for a 2nd
4) 5th. round pick-
This is move that needed to be done and I understand the reasons to wait. This trade is okay-good but not a Herschel Walker trade. Most likely both teams will be happy unless Edwards gets suspended and never developed then we could look real good.
Tell that to Dj. I was just showing him that some of best in the game are not hitting his "good" % this yr.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,044
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,044 |
Django:
This was a good trade...It is actually this trade along with thje statement it makes s that has put me in Mangini's corner...i will no longer be critical of the guy
I even changed my sig
Mangini stated boldly to this team that this type of behavior on or off the field won't be tolerated any longer by this franchise
Good for Mangini!
its about time we got a coach with a backbone....to stand up to these prima donnas like Edwards...I figure RAC and Savage let this go on behind the scenes for far too long...
The only real problem I have with Mangini is Brian Daboll...his Play-calling has been questionable...he has not done as good of a job as Chud...but he is a rookie OC
I just wonder if the Daboll hiring will come to bite Mangini at some point ALA RAC and Mo Carthon.....
other than that though, I have faith Daboll will get better with the play calling...I atleast gotta give the guy a chance...its only been 4 games, BUT the offense has been night and day with the QB switch...
but after this trade, I like Mangini's Character, and his not take anybodies garbage mentality...I will soundly say im behind the guy all the way now...he may be a good coach afterall...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,620
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,620 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
if you're really happy to trade a top 5 pick talent for a late 7th, so be it.
After a few years in the league, it's not about where you were drafted, it's about what you've done.
According to you logic, if in 2004 New England contacted Cincinnati about dealing Tom Brady for Peter Warrick, Cincy would have been crazy to take the deal because Warrick was a top 5 pick and Brady was drafted in the 6th.
Completely flawed logic. In 2004 Brady was a well-established QB in the NFL (your "not where you were drafted but what you've done" statement).
Uh ... yeah ... that was my point.
When a player is established it has nothing to do with where you were drafted. Braylon, despite being drafted #3, has not played like a top 10, or even a 1st round, pick. So setting his trade value based on where he was drafted 4 years ago is idiotic. You base it on what he's actually done in those 4 years.
I was not comparing Brady to that WR we got from the Jets.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,456
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,456 |
JC
I love the trade. From the kid running around without shoes on. Dropping every easy ball but somehow making the tough catches and the IMHO lost confidance that the current QB's have in him getting another player in return made me happy. Getting a good ST guy plus 2 draft picks as well tips the scales way over the top to excellent move for the Browns.
While watching the game sunday after he dropped that first pass which was exactly where it needed to be and once again stalling out the offense I started to notice that DA wouldnt throw his way and when he did it was way over his head.
Braylon was a big part of DA losing his starting job in 2008 and also a part of him gaining it back in 2009. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 15,015
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 15,015 |
Quote:
Django is to this board what Braylon was to the Browns' lockroom. If we traded Django to the Browns Board for a thumb drive and a 5-year old with a good attitude ... we'd come out ahead.
that is the best post of this entire thread.  
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
Quote:
Quote:
I will say I would have held out for a 2nd no matter what.
Absolutely.
As of right now...I don't like this trade.
That's because you guys are only looking at the "value" and "draft spot" aspect(s) of this thing,....getting this done is a step toward as staying alive as quickly getting the anti-venom in you for a Brown Recluse spider bite is -- you worry about the outcome later and don't worry about the side effects.
Do I want to get "ripped off" by the Jets -- NO, but I'd like to have the anti-venom ASAP.
Getting anything now while the Jets were willing was better than trying to hopscotch through the season not knowing what side of BE's Hyde would show up -- and this year all we've had is the Jekyll -- with either Quinn or Derek.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,246
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,246 |
Assuming all this is true about his behavior and his dogging it on the field, his attitude towards his team and organization we are FAR BETTER without him then.
As a supervisor for a local company, I can attest that one bad seed can create a lot of problems for your workforce as a whole. I witnessed that and when you get rid of them, it's like a load is lifted off of the rest of the team.
It doesn't have to be a quarterback it can be just about anyone. Sure we lost a "weapon" on offense but in the long run it may be more beneficial.
.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,520
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,520 |
Pick acquired for Edwards could escalate to second-rounder Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 7, 2009 1:51 PM ET The Browns have considered trading Braylon Edwards since the day Eric Mangini took over. Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer says, in fact, they planned to trade Edwards earlier before Donte Stallworth killed a pedestrian while drunk driving, ending Stallworth's season. But that incident caused the Browns to keep Edwards heading into 2009, and Cabot lays out many quality reasons that Cleveland's delay ultimately cost them. We can't argue with that, but we would argue that they received a good haul for Edwards considering the present circumstances. The third-round pick Cleveland traded for can escalate to a second-round pick if Edwards gets a certain number of receptions, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter and the New York Daily News. (It can't move to a fourth-rounder no matter how passes Edwards drops.) The number of receptions Edwards must catch is reportedly high and unlikely to be achieved, so the most likely return for Edwards is still a third and fifth-round pick, in addition to Chansi Stuckey and Jason Trusnik. Considering the time of the deal, Edwards' lack of production, and pain-in-the-Mangini factor, the Browns did fairly well. Stuckey might be the second best receiver on the Browns at the moment, and Trusnik will be a core special teams player. And the Browns need all the draft picks they can get for a future that wasn't going to include Edwards for very long anyway. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/200...second-rounder/
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,447
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,447 |
I didn't think " Koman " got real value when they traded down in the draft and we only got a third (conditional two ) ???? Not impressed .. Not sorry to see Edwards go..
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,642
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,642 |
Quote:
(It can't move to a fourth-rounder no matter how passes Edwards drops.)
LOL! Best line of the whole story.
Later Bray...don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya! I'm glad we got something rather than nothing, like we would have had we waited til the off-season.
![[Linked Image from i75.photobucket.com]](http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/lrhinkle/d5eaf0b9-e429-4211-b53f-b843bfcf6aa9_zps2ac17420.jpg) #gmstrong
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Braylon Edwards traded to the Jets
|
|
