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Then I read that all BE has to do is catch 50 passes for us to get that 2nd???
Where did you see that?
A lot of us have been trying to get that figure .
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Can someone please tell me who DA is throwing to now??
The same folks that he threw to last weekend. As I recall our big time me me me #1 WR was not to be seen, and it seems to me that DA had an OK day without Leon....
We had the same production from Stuckey as we did from Edwards last week, and Stuckey wasn't even on the team.
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You guys care if I turn the subject back to what a d-bag Quinn is w/ his shout out and Fail-on's orange cleats? 
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You guys care if I turn the subject back to what a d-bag Quinn is w/ his shout out and Fail-on's orange cleats?
Not at all. We don't have any other threads about QBs, and since this is about Edwards, we should by all means turn it into a QB thread. 
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You guys care if I turn the subject back to what a d-bag Quinn is w/ his shout out and Fail-on's orange cleats?
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Nope, but from what we have read about Mangini, he does not talk to anyone!! Just tells them about the rules, what he wants and that is it!!. Look how long it took the Browns to resolve that stupid situation with Rogers! 5 minute meeting could have resolved that.
I haven't read anything about him not talking to his players and coaches,, just the fans and media.. I haven't seen anyting remotely indicating he doesn't speak with players..
As for the rodgers thing, let's be honest, that sounded more like a player pushing the limits to find out how far he could go,, I think he found out fairly quickly that he can't push too far. I thought the Browns and Mangini handled that pretty well. The key proof of this is that he's not only playing and being a team guy, he's playing LIGHTS out..
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Braby hasn't done anything for the team in 2 years.
We are a better team without that guy.
in reality you have to qualify that by saying he hasnt been given any chance to DO anything for 2 yrs-but i do agree with your basic premise-trade him and get more picks.
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Braby hasn't done anything for the team in 2 years.
We are a better team without that guy.
in reality you have to qualify that by saying he hasnt been given any chance to DO anything for 2 yrs-but i do agree with your basic premise-trade him and get more picks.
The team as a whole hasn't done anything, so we should trade them for a decent team. 
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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in reality you have to qualify that by saying he hasnt been given any chance to DO anything for 2 yrs-but i do agree with your basic premise-trade him and get more picks
What do U mean he wasn't given any chance to do anything for two years?
He had a solid year in 07 ..and melted down in 08..
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if BQ gets traded that leaves the door open for M/K to select their QB in the first round. ...... but how much is BQ worth right now?????? Daniel Snyder wants a bright shiney new toy b/c he is tired of the old one named Jason Campbell. Would a player for player swap be feasible? I doubt it. Snyder loves to trade away his draft picks. Can take their number 1 for BQ? I would, but is BQs trade value way low right now? I ,for one, am not willing to shovel dirt on Quinn just yet. And as for the orange cleats he wore, big deal. BE was still a friend and team mate and his actions were not aimed at M/K in my opinion..... And I like the idea of Robo, moMass and Stuckey playing most of the snaps in the offense. So, how much is BQ worth........ 
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So, how much is BQ worth........
Right now, a lot less than where he was drafted. I'm not convinced his time here is over yet.
If we do trade him, there might be some team w/ an offensive coach who believes he has what it takes to get the max out of Quinn. If that's the case, that team would be willing to give a little more. At this point, I honestly think a 3rd would be the highest we COULD get. Then again, it boils down to the value of old collectibles: no matter what the book says, they're only worth what someone is willing to pay for them.
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And I like the idea of Robo, moMass and Stuckey playing most of the snaps in the offense.:
I don't like the idea of Robiskie playing at all.
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Braby hasn't done anything for the team in 2 years.
We are a better team without that guy.
in reality you have to qualify that by saying he hasnt been given any chance to DO anything for 2 yrs-but i do agree with your basic premise-trade him and get more picks.
The team as a whole hasn't done anything, so we should trade them for a decent team.
what a great idea! lol
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Isn't that what we do every 3 years or so anyway?
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And I like the idea of Robo, moMass and Stuckey playing most of the snaps in the offense.:
I don't like the idea of Robiskie playing at all.
why not-does he look bad to you?
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If it means bolstering the right side of the OL and getting a talented RB then I am all for trading BQ, But honestly I think we should stick with DA as the starter and BQ as the backup. Let both QB's learn the system. As long as BQ continues to be a team player he won't be going anywhere unless Mangini and Kokinis get an offer they can't refuse.
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He's looked good on the sidelines all year  I've just never liked the Robiskie pick. And I'll be VERY surprised if he's in the league in 2 years.
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You know, if the Mangini would have brought in a good Vet receiver, especially after Stallworth's incident, I would have not have questioned this move. As far if BE was going to straighten out, there are all these so called reports only coming out now. Well lets say some of those are true, then why didn't Mangini, the GM and the owner take care of it. How about telling BE about himself as soon as you are hired to let him know what is expected of him. Also, if you think about it, the reason that BE got outta control was because we did not have a good vet receiver grooming the younger ones. Plus if a coach, either head coach or position coach cannot bench a player who is acting out( due to the GM..aka savage) catching their back or the problem player KNOWING that there isnt a viable replacement for him, ... WHAT DID WE EXPECT!!!
How do you know they didn't talk to him? Do you really think after Braylon charted that helicopter to go to the UM game after he was told not to, Savage and Crennel did not have a talk with him? He was not gonna change his attitude no matter what. Also lol at the only reason BE acted that way was because we didn't have a WR vet to straighten him out.
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So, how much is BQ worth........
Right now, a lot less than where he was drafted. I'm not convinced his time here is over yet.
If we do trade him, there might be some team w/ an offensive coach who believes he has what it takes to get the max out of Quinn. If that's the case, that team would be willing to give a little more. At this point, I honestly think a 3rd would be the highest we COULD get. Then again, it boils down to the value of old collectibles: no matter what the book says, they're only worth what someone is willing to pay for them.
I've pretty much given up on Quinn, I also agree a 3rd would probably be the best we could do but hopefully there's a team like the Jets out there that is convinced they can get the max potential out of one of our throw aways.
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He's looked good on the sidelines all year
I've just never liked the Robiskie pick. And I'll be VERY surprised if he's in the league in 2 years.
So then it's safe to say,, you don't really have a reason other then personal preference... Got it!
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Daniel Snyder wants a bright shiney new toy b/c he is tired of the old one named Jason Campbell.
Would a player for player swap be feasible? I doubt it.
While the odds would be very long, a consideration is that Quinn's contract is cheap because he won't his those escalators, while Campbell's contract ends this year, which means it'd take some kind of restriction or new (and expensive) contract to keep him.
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So, how much is BQ worth........
With the way he's come out flat and with his iffy scouting report?
We'd be fortunate to land a pick that could potentially become a conditional 3rd rounder.
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I liked the Robo and MoMass picks in terms of WRs (even though we could have used a LB) but I think they both have a ton of potential for us. I just hope Robo gets playing time THIS season to help w/ the learning curve.
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Geez Toad. With all these Quinn posts, that space might not be for rent for long.
It took about a day, but it sounds like you got a new target.
That bit about sporting Edwards cleats has just about done it for me. 
It's close. Real close.
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He's looked good on the sidelines all year
I've just never liked the Robiskie pick. And I'll be VERY surprised if he's in the league in 2 years.
People said the same thing about Mass.........before last week. 
How's about we actually see him on the field for a few plays before we decide if he's a bust and an absolute waste of a 2nd round pick.
Remember, he's not on the field because he's a bad receiver. He's not on the field because Mangini wants him playing special teams
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That bit about sporting Edwards cleats has just about done it for me.
It's close. Real close.
I think he said something about "yo momma" to
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He's looked good on the sidelines all year
I've just never liked the Robiskie pick. And I'll be VERY surprised if he's in the league in 2 years.
So then it's safe to say,, you don't really have a reason other then personal preference... Got it!
Yes, it's personal preference that I don't think he'll be in the league in two years.
I love to see our guys fail.
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That bit about sporting Edwards cleats has just about done it for me.
It's close. Real close.
I think he said something about "yo momma" to
That's it......he's outa here!
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Is anyone considering the fact that Quinn and the cleats were a joke?
Quinn is being a good teammate and when DA and the OC is talking, Quinn is right there on the sidelines. I didnt see that with DA. He was getting tripped over by the refs.
Quinn seems to be trying to have a sense of humor instead of the doom and gloom most would have thought of being benched. If he is on the the sidelines watching DA and the OC trying to fix problems and not pouting about being benched, whats the problem. Quinn aint even in and the people that didnt want him to start and still trying to find any reason to bash him.
Can we actually like the players in orange helmets and wish the best for them instead of picking sides?
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Is anyone considering the fact that Quinn and the cleats were a joke?
Yes, which is why I've used a couple of disclaimers when making my comments.
The pathetic part is that the quote about the cleats was very ambiguous. So what does PFT do? They quote it as the reference for stating that Quinn was in fact wearing his cleats, and are now speculating that Quinn wants out.
You gotta love the media
I'm holding out hope it was a joke, but...........
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Is anyone considering the fact that Quinn and the cleats were a joke?
If it was indeed a joke, it was a pretty bad with bad timing. A malcontent just gets shipped out and a player who's lost his starting job honors him ... umm, we were told Quinn was a smart guy ... I don't see anything smart about that joke ... at all.
If anyone is interested, there is a transcript of Edward presser over on the OBR.
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if BQ gets traded that leaves the door open for M/K to select their QB in the first round.
...... but how much is BQ worth right now??????
Daniel Snyder wants a bright shiney new toy b/c he is tired of the old one named Jason Campbell.
Would a player for player swap be feasible? I doubt it. Snyder loves to trade away his draft picks. Can take their number 1 for BQ? I would, but is BQs trade value way low right now?
I ,for one, am not willing to shovel dirt on Quinn just yet. And as for the orange cleats he wore, big deal. BE was still a friend and team mate and his actions were not aimed at M/K in my opinion.....
And I like the idea of Robo, moMass and Stuckey playing most of the snaps in the offense.
So, how much is BQ worth........
I love how the talk of the edwards trade went from wr to draft pick then to qb. Since we are inclined to talk of QB selection in the draft, my opinion is that it would be a huge mistake to pick up a rookie QB next year before we address everything around him and the defense. Just my .02.
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Since we are inclined to talk of QB selection in the draft, my opinion is that it would be a huge mistake to pick up a rookie QB next year before we address everything around him and the defense. Just my .02.
That's a well-spent $.02
We wasted a 1st round pick on Couch, we wasted a 3rd round pick on Frye, and it's looking like we wasted a 1st and a 2nd round pick on Quinn.
And what do we have to show for it? Derek Anderson, a guy claimed off of waivers, is the best QB we've marched out there, and is the guy now.
Yeah.............we REALLY need to build the team first.
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Is anyone considering the fact that Quinn and the cleats were a joke?
Yes, which is why I've used a couple of disclaimers when making my comments.
The pathetic part is that the quote about the cleats was very ambiguous. So what does PFT do? They quote it as the reference for stating that Quinn was in fact wearing his cleats, and are now speculating that Quinn wants out.
You gotta love the media
I'm holding out hope it was a joke, but...........
Wow.. you guys are tough.. Quinn has towed the party line and said all the right things since coming here, endured how many coaches, systems and personal changes and you want to throw him under the bus after how many games ? Jeesh.
I work with some diva's that have a lot to be desired in terms of people skills (like Braylon) but after several years of being around them everyday and working with them through thick and thin you have a tendency to cover their backs and treat them more like family. You know.. like a really good friend ? He may not like what Braylon has done in the past but he can STILL be a good friend and try to act like one at times.
This isn't about making a "statement" he wants out or dumping on the team, it's about showing just a little kindness to someone he got close to after thousands of hours.
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I love how the talk of the edwards trade went from wr to draft pick then to qb. Since we are inclined to talk of QB selection in the draft, my opinion is that it would be a huge mistake to pick up a rookie QB next year before we address everything around him and the defense. Just my .02.
I think it's still too early to know what our most pressing needs for next year will be, alot can transpire over the next 12 weeks. Assuming QB is still a position of need I do think we have enough here to not ruin a promising young QB, I'm sure with all of our other needs and QB being the toughest position to fill, we won't pass on the opportunity to draft one.
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There were lots of ways he could have shown the kindness ... give him a call ... send him an email ... tweet on his twitter account ... practice was a poor choice. What does Edwards - the supposed recipient of such kindess - actually get out of this act? Answer: zilch.
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I think it's still too early to know what our most pressing needs for next year will be,
no it's not ..I can tell you right now..
1-RB
2-WR
3-OT
4-OG
5-QB
6-ILB
7-OLB
8-SS/FS
9-CB
These are not in any determined order but thats whats needed.
Continuing to stockpile picks will help get those positions filled..
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Since we are inclined to talk of QB selection in the draft, my opinion is that it would be a huge mistake to pick up a rookie QB next year before we address everything around him and the defense. Just my .02.
That's a well-spent $.02
We wasted a 1st round pick on Couch, we wasted a 3rd round pick on Frye, and it's looking like we wasted a 1st and a 2nd round pick on Quinn.
And what do we have to show for it? Derek Anderson, a guy claimed off of waivers, is the best QB we've marched out there, and is the guy now.
Yeah.............we REALLY need to build the team first.
Well, if you put it like that it does sound kind of bad.
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C'mon AD, you know what I mean. There's not any determined order YET, but there will be and that's what will determine which way we go with our first overall pick.
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I was being general in reply..however every spot I listed can be addresses in both FA and the draft..the skill spots and line is one I 'd go in the draft ..the reality is first they'll go through FA and we'll see what they plug up first..then we'll know what they target in the draft.
RT/RG are pressing needs..RB/WR is right up there now..won't comment on QB...
ILB is another..
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Geez Toad. With all these Quinn posts, that space might not be for rent for long.
It took about a day, but it sounds like you got a new target.
That bit about sporting Edwards cleats has just about done it for me.
It's close. Real close.
Take a breath. Have you ever seen a BQ interview? Five will get you ten he was being sarcastic and said it with a smirk. Not saying he won't be the next to go, but I doubt he was seriously honoring Edwards in any way, shape or form. Of course, it's JMHO.
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