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did you see Sanchez against the Saints? with our offense, he would look like that more often and people would be riding him out of town.
instead we have our longterm cetner (Mack), solid run-stuffing DE (Coleman), starting SS (Elam), potential LB (Veikune), and potential CB (Coye Francies) and RB (James Davis). I'd say that is worth a QB who would wash out on a team not ready to nurture him.
realize that Sanchez has one of the top5 OL and a good stable of RBs to rely on, which he would not have had here.
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In your opinion just getting 2nd rounder and few bodies is good value for 5th overall (franchise QB)… then we agree to disagree
Apples and oranges.
Sanchez went to a team ready to win. Had he come here, he would look absolutely lost.
Furthermore, we landed what looks like a starting wideout and a starting center for that 5th overall pick. No matter how you cut it, that's good value, especially for a team that needed an infusion of starters.
It's too simple to compare players and say one is better than the other because you aren't factoring in how that player meshes and fits with the needs of the team.
Any idiot can look at a stat sheet and say Peterson was a better pick than Thomas, but that doesn't tell the story. Not even close. The Vikings had a starting left tackle, the most important position on the field outside of a QB. We didn't, and we landed the guy that is probably THE best left tackle in football right now with Walter Jones going down for the count.
Apples and oranges.
We needed a new center, and we needed receivers. Passing judgment after four games is not wise.
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Not just that, the way we picked in 2nd round even decreased the value of pick as I said 2 of our 3 players not contributed yet. And we are 0-4
Funny, but it's hard to contribute when the coach won't play you. However, to say Mass hasn't contributed is flat-wrong because he had a HUGE game this past week.
Again, it's too easy to draw a line in the sand and say after 4 games the picks were failures.
Sanchez on this team wouldn't mean 3-1. It would still mean 0-4.
Apples. Oranges.
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I'm interested to see how many fans will be able to recognize a true mistake by Anderson, as compared to a mishap which stems from lack of familiarity between the receiver and the QB.
I'll put the over/under at 2.5 people.
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Or we might actually see some guys catch the ball for once..
I still see the drop Edwards had on the first DA pass to him..that will not be missed by anyone..
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Edwards can go on to have a pro-bowl career and I wouldn't miss him.
In Cleveland where he wasn't unconditionally loved, he'd be a bum. Anywhere else, as long as he's getting the ball and a free-pass, he's going to be good.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
DETHDAWG, that's being generous *L*
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In your opinion just getting 2nd rounder and few bodies is good value for 5th overall (franchise QB)… then we agree to disagree
Not just that, the way we picked in 2nd round even decreased the value of pick as I said 2 of our 3 players not contributed yet. And we are 0-4
I'm assuming you are talking about Robiskie and Veikune here.
Take a look around the league...
Tyson Jackson: 4 games, 2 tackles
Heyward-Bey: 1 catch
B.J. Raji: 0 tackles until week 4
Craptree: just signed
...And on and on down the list. It's 4 games into the season, most rookies either haven't played a whole lot, or haven't done much with their opportunities. There are exceptions of course, but it's not fair to judge a player or a draft after 4 games.
Or look at Wimbley, he came out with a bang as a rookie. Maybe he would have benefited from some more coaching.
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They can't say anything negative. I would never expect them to say anything.
I realize that, but did we see maybe a sense of relief instead of a sense of panic? Or just indifference ... which I think says a lot. My thought is that the players know better than anyone how good they are or can be ... losing your biggest offensive weapon would seem to be a pretty big blow to the psyche of the team. I know they towed the company line with the things they said, but I didn't really get a sense of despair over losing Edwards.
I could be reading into it, but I find the psychology of things like this fascinating. We are going to learn a lot about this offense on Sunday.
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One thing that is puzzling to me are journalist who say trading Edwards won't help the team win..they weren't winning when he was on the field..and this season was threatening to be a repeat with him here.. Oh no one can deny the physical skills he has..but when you not concerned with giving it your all and that includes controlling yourself on and off the field his performance won't get better.
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That's the realization I finally got to as I was always opposed to trading Edwards ... but because of the reasons you stated, it just wasn't going to work.
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My point is mangini did not handle it right, either he failed in his evaluation in qb or he played dirty game to put DA as starter. Both ways it hurt browns.
Makes me think... especially with the trading of Braylon.. we are probably gonna get a top 10 pick in this years draft.. Mangini just MAY want that..
Think you guys are reaching just a bit here? 
Quinn never was able to rise above his competition during TC from day 1, he was "given" the job this year because at some point we have to see if we had a legit QB in Quinn or not. Maybe he was one of these guys that would perform better on sundays,..I dunno, but that obviously wasn't the case.Quinn didn't only struggle,...he looked COMPLETELY lost out there. If he could've given us a little of something at any one given moment he would probably still be in there. He was a total disaster after 10 quarters that left Mangini no other choice other than to pull him.
Trading BE was done to sabatoge the season??? R U kidding?
A problem child that's had 1 good season after 5, lead the league in dropped balls last season and appears to have the same problems again this year. A poor route runner who doesn't fight for the ball and locker room cancer who doesn't feel he has to play by the same rules as everybody else.
reading his press transcript,it's obviouse this kid's a headcase
and in no way has matured to a level that will find him success in this league.....I can only laugh at the Jets and their fans for thinking this is the guy that's going to put them over the top.
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I really opposed to them deraling him if they got a replacement for him. I find it interesting that no one can conform 100% what the Giants were offering..I see one thing that says a 1st and 3rd..but I see another that says a 3rd and 5th and Hixon ..Browns wanted Smith..can't say I would blame them for wanting that...now months later..people are puking because we get two players plus a 3rd( this will be cloudy becuse of the Jets traded away that pick ) and a 5th..
Sure it's not just comp for Edwards..but as far as we know it was the best offer..supposedly..and no I never felt the Browns got the needed comp for all the tradedowns they did..in all that they should have recouped another high pick..like a 3rd and a high 2 for next year..not 5ths/6 round picks..
Like I said certain journalists look at the Browns after this move and see this...
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Does anyone else find it curious that most of the player reaction coming out of Berea is one of indifference? No doom and gloom, no panic, ... I wonder if we are going to see a workmanlike, yet cohesive effort this weekend and maybe surprise some folks.
I did notice that, but then, I didn't honestly expect anyone to really say or do anything.. the only exception is the Quinn comment about the shoes he was wearing.. otherwise, it's been mundane.
the question is (and we'll probably never know) is that really how they feel, or is it the company line..
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One thing that is puzzling to me are journalist who say trading Edwards won't help the team win..they weren't winning when he was on the field..and this season was threatening to be a repeat with him here.. Oh no one can deny the physical skills he has..but when you not concerned with giving it your all and that includes controlling yourself on and off the field his performance won't get better.
Journalists are just that (like us  ) -- they "journalize." Keeping BE, as you so well pointed out, and his baggage would only ensure the plane would continue to be overloaded and never get off the ground. I mean, what the dogdoo are they gonna say when we finally do win one ?
They'll say it was a good move, just to sell a paper.
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I'm interested to see how many fans will be able to recognize a true mistake by Anderson, as compared to a mishap which stems from lack of familiarity between the receiver and the QB.
I'll put the over/under at 2.5 people.
So has DA always had problem with timing? I mean that could explain all his passes that get thrown behind the receivers when he throws short... but well I guess now he is kind of improving because now they are hitting the back shoudler or face mask as the receiver turns out of his break... 
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So has DA always had problem with timing?
Yes, stated better-accuracy.....and bad decisions
but well I guess now he is kind of improving because now they are hitting the back shoulder/face mask/helmet as the receiver
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Any idiot can look at a stat sheet and say Peterson was a better pick than Thomas, but that doesn't tell the story. Not even close. The Vikings had a starting left tackle, the most important position on the field outside of a QB. We didn't, and we landed the guy that is probably THE best left tackle in football right now with Walter Jones going down for the count.
Wait a minute… when and where did I say Joe Thomas was bad pick?? “Apples and Oranges” you are good at spinning things 
I was talking about this draft not last year; at least that’s what I get from my post 
You are trying to prove you know better then by calling others idiot, fact is I have no issues with drafting JT (which was drafted by previous regime), and Alex Mack by current regime (I was talking about)
In my post I was mentioning about 2nd round and the trade we worked out with Jets, never said Mack was wrong pick. I felt we drafted poorly in 2nd round, I am not saying mo mass and robo are not good. Though mo mass played one game and robo has to see field yet as receiver. We could have drafted Ray maualuga and got one or both receivers
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Who?
Sorry, couldn't resist. I've read some stuff about what Rex Ryan is saying about BE up there.. all positive, but then, what would you expect. Also I guess thier OC, Schottenheimer (sp), said he was big and fast and smart.. And you know, he reallly is big, fast and I think he's bright guy..
If they can keep him motivated, keep his head in the game, he'll do a fine job for them and in turn, maybe earn us a 2nd round pick instead of a 3rd. One can hope right?
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both teams picked a great week to make this trade for the fans though.
buffalo's defense is completely banged up, especially the secondary and we should be able to move the ball and get our hopes up for the WR corps (or be really, really scared).
miami's secondary doesn't have a shutdown guy that can take out Braylon and their safeties aren't very good. braylon should be able to have a good first week for the Jets (and it's on MNF...and we all know he shows up for those games).
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I live in nyc you have no idea how much I want see edwards drop a TD pass.
Preferably the first one or the one at the end of the game for a go ahead win.
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Ahh, if it only were about one game. I'll take the Win over the Giants last year...LOL
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I live in nyc you have no idea how much I want see edwards drop a TD pass.
Preferably the first one or the one at the end of the game for a go ahead win
LOL I understand that feeling but really, the best thing he can do for us is to play his butt off for a new contract... Score 2 TDs on 10 receptions for 180 yards.. then keep it up for the rest of the year.
I guarantee you, if he gets a big contract this off season,,, He'll revert back to dropping passes next season... But by then, it will be too late, we will already have received the Jets 2nd round pick....LOL 
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I live in nyc you have no idea how much I want see edwards drop a TD pass.
Preferably the first one or the one at the end of the game for a go ahead win.
Well you can thank me for this. I decided to start him this week in my fantasy football league. And as a parting shot I am now positive that he will drop the one TD pass I need going into Monday to win this week. And then I'll cut him. And then he'll be great the rest of the year. So let it be written, so let it be done.
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I have two reasons for wanting him to dominate. I want a 2nd rounder and he's on my fantasy team.
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I have two reasons for wanting him to dominate. I want a 2nd rounder and he's on my fantasy team.
wrong forum i suppose, but sell high my friend, sell high.
a lot of people are thinking he is going to be Fitzgerald or something the rest of the year....
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I want a 2nd rounder also, Would be nice but i don't think it's gonna happen.JMHO
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Haha ... I feel the same ... starting him this week in my fantasy league as well. The whole reason I drafted him is because I thought he was going to have a monster year for us being that it's a contract year and all. 
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both teams picked a great week to make this trade for the fans though.
buffalo's defense is completely banged up, especially the secondary and we should be able to move the ball and get our hopes up for the WR corps (or be really, really scared).
miami's secondary doesn't have a shutdown guy that can take out Braylon and their safeties aren't very good. braylon should be able to have a good first week for the Jets (and it's on MNF...and we all know he shows up for those games).
Miami could easily fix this by putting the offenseless-to-date Ted Ginn on him. He was a dang good DB in high school,....and this would really tick BE off -- more anti-Michiganism.
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I have two reasons for wanting him to dominate. I want a 2nd rounder and he's on my fantasy team.
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did you see Sanchez against the Saints? with our offense, he would look like that more often and people would be riding him out of town.
Interesting view.. Quinn has looked like that in our offense and played about the same number of games against near undefeated teams yet most here are ready to run him out of town while Sanchez is a franchise QB, that just needs a little time to adjust.... Strange the way it works out uh ?
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I have had a couple of days to ponder this move.
I think that it was pretty obvious that Edwards was not going to be here next year, and frankly the browns would have been better served to have traded him before this years draft. But that was not a wise move, as Edwards was the only real playmaker that could draw attention from a defensive perspective.
The Browns got what they could, and it is probably not a bad deal. It will mean that Robo and Mass will be on the field, so the Browns are officially building for the future.
The team has too many old players to be rebuilding, I look forward to seeing some more playing time from some of the younger players as the year goes on. Specifically Francies, Hall and Maiava. I think Veikune is a year or 2 away.
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Any idiot can look at a stat sheet and say Peterson was a better pick than Thomas, but that doesn't tell the story. Not even close. The Vikings had a starting left tackle, the most important position on the field outside of a QB. We didn't, and we landed the guy that is probably THE best left tackle in football right now with Walter Jones going down for the count.
Wait a minute… when and where did I say Joe Thomas was bad pick?? “Apples and Oranges” you are good at spinning things
I was talking about this draft not last year; at least that’s what I get from my post
You are trying to prove you know better then by calling others idiot, fact is I have no issues with drafting JT (which was drafted by previous regime), and Alex Mack by current regime (I was talking about)
Hey............Mr. Sensitive...............It was an example to prove a point.
Guess it didn't work. 
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hey.. it was kind of mentioned in the first BE Trade thread.. but how many picks do we have now for NFL draft 2010?
We have our normal 1-7...
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3rd Braylon trade
5th Braylon trade
5th Winslow trade
6th/or 7th for Leonard Louis..
So is that 11 picks? 2 third roudn picks.. 3 fifth round picks.. and either 2 6th or 7th round picks?
Trying to do a mock...
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Did the Browns give up any picks to move up last year?
Im not hoping anyone gets hurt but any more serious QB injuries then Quinn might get traded.
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Did the Browns give up any picks to move up last year?
don't use me at the definitive word, but I don't remember us doing that..
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Ditto
You guys know how this works; he purposely drops catch # 50, on the last play of the Jets regular season, preserving their 2d round pick, then is the MVP of the AFC Title Game,....
He has to average 4.1666 a game to do that. He averaged 3.83 as a Brown. 
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I agree, DC, but something else to remember IMO. The whole Stallworthless mess. I suspect that the reason it may have fallen through was how that shook out. Suddenly we needed the WR to have some continuity. With DS outta the picture, and nobody designated to replace what he gave us (lingering injuries, quality bench time, extensive malingering, and someone to characterize fans' generalized disappointment for our "wideout corps" such as it was (please note I used the term 'wideout' here; I couldna bring meself to type in 'wide receivers' without crying on the keyboard). Became a triage keeper; who would believe he could do less than last year? Heard Brayin' Edwards couldn't get on the plane, had to get a private charter jet. Seewms he was turned away for having too much extra baggage to carry on. I was happy to hold the door for the pup. . . .
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hey.. it was kind of mentioned in the first BE Trade thread.. but how many picks do we have now for NFL draft 2010?
We have our normal 1-7...
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3rd Braylon trade
5th Braylon trade
5th Winslow trade
6th/or 7th for Leonard Louis..
So is that 11 picks? 2 third roudn picks.. 3 fifth round picks.. and either 2 6th or 7th round picks?
Trying to do a mock...
With that many picks, the likelyhood of picking a game changer is extremely high and this franchise can be poised for success. It would be a huge mistake to pick up a QB next year though. I will be very dissappointed if that happens.
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Dominate RT 1st or 2nd round
4 down stud RB (1st or 2nd depending on the first pick)
OLB (3RD)
CB (3RD)
MLB (4TH)
Safety (5TH)
WR (5TH)
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Rounds 6 and 7 filler picks.
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I think Joe Thomas put it into perspective better.
(On if he was surprised about the trade) - "I was a little surprised because he was our number one receiver. But, at the same time, since Coach Mangini has been here, he has stated that you have to do things our way and if you are not going to do it, we'll find somebody else."
The table was set...remember RAC gave Mangini a personal account of all our players. M/K knew his contract was up: ergo the 2 high picks for WR.
We found the somebody else. BE was given his rope and he decided to hang himself and made the decision to trade him EASY...if we waited for the season to play out...BE's value was going down and no way was he going to become our first franchised player.
3-1 and maybe having 5 TDs, no way we trade BE.
0-4 BE going through the motions with lacluster play. Breaking rules and getting fined...We made the right move 100%
JMHO
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