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Frye was a glitzy pick? Are you kidding me? A third round glitzy pick....cmon man... 
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you don't pass on a franchise QB no matter what state your team is in, period.
We might have just recently did that.... 
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Frye was a glitzy pick? Are you kidding me? A third round glitzy pick....cmon man...
Charlie was a good kid and a hard worker. I certainly had higher expectations for him and unfortuneately for him he came here.
That's not saying he was destined to be good elsewhere, that's just saying since 99 we've had no clue how to handle QB's.
We chew up QB's and spit them out at an alarming rate.
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Haaven't seen all the college Qb's yet but of the ones I have seen a lot of I am not a fan of Bradford, Tebow or McCoy. I have seen a little of these next few and I like Locker but get a bad feeling about Clausen (maybe the BQ hangover effect) and I am not impressed with Sneed. I haven't seen Smith or Pike. Remember some of these guys are juniors and may not come out.
The guy I would like to see as our Qb next year is (don't laugh, I'm serious here) Tyler Thigpen. He throws a nice ball and I really like the way he matured in the KC offense last year. I think he got a bum deal with the trade for Cassel. I personally feel that the Cheifs had to trade him away because Cassel had to play with that contract and all the rest of the p-layers could tell that Thigpen was the better Qb. Purely my opinion.
Then we can draft a real playmaker in the 1st round. Berry is The Man if he comes out and is available. I hear great things about the RB out of Alabama but I haven't seen him yet. Of course we have the eternal quest for a pass rusher. Yes we need a RT and a RG but we can get those in rounds 2-5.
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I actually like Lockler better than Claussen. Bradford isn't an option, because I think with the injuries he comes back next year. If someone wants Lockler they better be picking top 5...and maybe # 1. He's got the size, arm, mobility and accuracy to be special imo.
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I'd take a flyer on the best guy left after the 4th round or so, maybe later.
Find a FA QB capable of decent play until we build the D and O which should be somewhere around 2016 give or a take a year!
I keep reading this, but it's almost as if people don't realize that we just drafted (3) offensive players in the first two rounds this year. I look at this year as M/K establishing a base of an offense and evaluating the QB's that they have, then going out and getting their guy in 2010 if they didn't like what they saw (and they clearly don't). I'd be shocked if we didn't draft a QB in the first, or possibly early second round next year. That's where the large majority of good QB's in this league come from.
I don't think they were sold on using the #5 overall pick, or spending the money that goes along with it, on a very inexperienced guy like Sanchez.
Teams don't win Super Bowls without high level quarterbacks in the modern NFL. Yes, I realize there are exceptions, but they're pretty rare. So if you know you need a QB and there's one you like in the draft, the idea that you should pass 'while you build' your team is crazy. Drafting the right QB *IS* a big part of building your team, especially when you already have guys like Thomas, Steinbach, and Mack on your line.
I believe we have 11 draft picks and a lot of cap room to address other areas. Figure most rookie QB's are either on the bench or not very effective their first year anyway.
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I have already said Bradford was a "no" and yesterday cements that,...McCoy and Tebow have promise,...but I would draft Locker at this point.
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I'd be shocked if we didn't draft a QB in the first, or possibly early second round next year. That's where the large majority of good QB's in this league come from.
I definitely agree. I see us picking either QB or RB. Although after today, I wouldn't be suprised corner or safety either. Mike Adams has no right covering Hines Ward............
But honestly, we have to get a guy who is going to be a factor on offense. Someone who has the ball in their hands a lot..... So if we are in position to get a star RB or QB then that's what I would expect.
RT will probably be addressed round 2 or 3, same thing with a corner because McDonald/Mike Adams is garbage.
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Question.
Tim Tebow is a football player, Ben R. is a football player, Can Tebow turn into a pro like Ben R. Something I dont get is people are saying Tebow isnt a pro QB but than you hear he's just a Fottball player that makes things happen and player play better around him ? isnt that what they say about Ben. I guess I see thier styles alot alike.
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He runs a pro style offense and has greatly improved. Sam Bradford knows all too well to come out when your stock is high. I think Locker and Clausen are both gonna declare.
I repeat ...I do not like McCoy/Tebow/Bradford.
I am starting to see Clausen as being way better than these imposters.
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I'd be shocked if we didn't draft a QB in the first, or possibly early second round next year. That's where the large majority of good QB's in this league come from.
I definitely agree. I see us picking either QB or RB. Although after today, I wouldn't be suprised corner or safety either. Mike Adams has no right covering Hines Ward............
But honestly, we have to get a guy who is going to be a factor on offense. Someone who has the ball in their hands a lot..... So if we are in position to get a star RB or QB then that's what I would expect.
RT will probably be addressed round 2 or 3, same thing with a corner because McDonald/Mike Adams is garbage.
I would hope that if a can't-miss, Joe Thomas RT is 'there,' we grab him at the first opportunity. While I fully buy into building a defense too, moving the ball & controlling the clock with a solid run game, while protecting the QB's "right" will do as much for the defense as bringing in an Ed Reed. Not to say we shouldn't pass on Berry or Spikes; I just think it is more important to continue building by passing on a QB if the other pieces can be had first.
IF we still need a QB after this season, I'd take Locker.
That is NOT to argue that we don't need a QB,....and I don't even pretend to be up to speed on what RB might be available. If so, he'd better be an Adrian Peterson,.....
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would hope that if a can't-miss, Joe Thomas RT is 'there,' we grab him at the first opportunity
Will not happen..no way KoMan drafts a RT in the top ten unless they trade out and do a repeat of last draft..too much money spent on the Oline and the skill positons need upgrading..
Plenty of tackles in this draft to take one in round two/three..
Browns have to go BPA this draft.
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Understand the logic,...  I don't really care how or what round it happens, including skill upgrades, but I believe finishing the OLine and the defense will lend itself to better skill upgrading,... Not me calling the shots.
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I am completely against taking a quarterback in the draft, however if we have to absolutely take one I would want Jake Locker, besides having a big arm the guy can run like a wide receiver which would bring a new element to our offense and make him a bigger threat IMO. He has a lot of experience which is also good.
Here is what I really want though.
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1st Round - Russel Okung - OT/Oklahoma State. Here we draft our future right tackle and immediately improve our offensive line.
2nd Round (From Jets, assuming Braylon catches 50 passes) - TRADE TO CHEIFS for WR DWAYNE BOWE. Dwayne Bowe was benched earlier in the season for undperforming, so the chiefs would probably give the guy up relatively cheap, we get a big play receiver without the drop problem.
2nd Round - Jermaine Gresham - TE/Oklahoma - Big play Tight end could be a steal here in the 2nd round, he was a top 20 pick as of last season.
3rd Round - Cammeron Sheffield - DE/OLB/ Troy - Big play pass rusher, the last defensive stud to come out of troy was Demarcus Ware, and Sheffield has made some huge plays for Troy and is a projected late 2nd round pick.
We have 11 total picks, and there is a great chance we trade Quinn and or Anderson for more picks, It is very possible we could end up with 13 or 14 picks.
Free agent wish list
OG - Eugene Amano / Titans
OG - David Baas / 49ers
WR - Vincent Jackson / Chargers
LB - Derrick Johnson / Chiefs
LB - Resign DQwell Jackson
LB - Kirk Morrison / Raiders
CB - Marlin Jackson / Colts
Not a completely unrealistic list of free agents, especially with an uncapped season coming up, we can throw some money at some good free agents that can help this team out.
Then again none of these guys are former Jets so it is highly unlikely we will actually bring anyone in. In my dream scenario we bring in a ton of weapons, rebuild the offensive line, and give Anderson an offense with some real weapons and a real running game to see what we can do.
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I am completely against taking a quarterback in the draft, however if we have to absolutely take one I would want Jake Locker, besides having a big arm the guy can run like a wide receiver which would bring a new element to our offense and make him a bigger threat IMO. He has a lot of experience which is also good.
I'll forgo anything about we don't need to draft a QB..if so..I think I like Clausen..he's accurate and I get to see more of him than Locker..so I can't really comment on him..yet..
1st Round -we need upgrades everywhere..if the Browns went BPA..could they really go wrong ?
Nope..that said if a fanchise QB isn't there..go for Berry/Taylor Mays/Dez Bryant ..
2nd-again BPA..- Eric Norwood/ Terrence Cody/Jermaine Gresham
3rd-Mike Iupati -One of the best guards in the nation.
4th- Sam Young OT..
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I would bring in a vet to take the lumps while we re-build...ship BQ off for what we can get...either make DA a backup or ship him off and take a lower round flier on someone (Rusty Smith?) that shows a bit of potential but isn't someone you're planning to ride on.
Build the team and wait for The Guy to come around...don't go chasing it.
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I don't disagree with your thinking but I think you save the lower round flyer... much more likely that you are going to turn that flyer into a productive OG or RB than to find a flyer at QB late in the draft... Either go big and address it or let it go... I don't see the point in doing something in between.
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part of me wants to ship both qbs and be done with them. the other part tells me that a vet wouldn't necessarily do better as, 1) they're available for a reason and 2) they'll be "new" to the system so i wonder if it'd be best to keep one of the two qbs we have right now (but then we're back to where we started).
i think the fanbase, or at least the population on this board, is sick of talking about quinn or anderson.
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Good points -- availabilty (why ?) and "new system." I would add, the "surrounding crew,..."
As in, would Peyton Manning even make a difference ? Probably to a degree, but we have some big fish to fry.
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it's because of your last point that i'm fighting to not enter into any BQ vs DA stuff. regardless of who is in, our receivers are dropping balls. i can only hope, as i've said, that the plan is to expect our passing game to mature around/after the bye week. that we're taking our lumps now so we can have a solid second half and enter into the offseason with momentum. mathematically, we can still have a 11-5 season
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Petey .. They had an LB on Ward a couple of times ??????
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I too, have written off discussing that function.
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