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Yet, with an open competition in 08, he couldn't win the job from DA..
There was no open QB competition in 2008. I know it is strange, but that is one of the few years that we said who our QB was going into camp and went through camp unwavering on that man being our starter.
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Yet, with an open competition in 08, he couldn't win the job from DA..
There was no open QB competition in 2008. I know it is strange, but that is one of the few years that we said who our QB was going into camp and went through camp unwavering on that man being our starter.
That is true. The only debate was the fans in the stands that year. DA was just signed to a multi year deal the off-season before coming from the Pro Bowl. Crennel and Savage went into the season with DA as the clear cut starter instead of going with the in-experianced Quinn.
Letting DA get signed by another team, then getting that teams 1st and 3rd, and then going with Quinn could have saved Savages and Crennels job. Having a new young QB to work with always gives coaches a two year window because they cn say they are rebuilding.
Savage was scared to see DA prosper somewhere else, even after getting his first rounder a chance to show why he was a 1st round pick. Rookie GM mistake by Savage. The team could have used that 1st and 3rd round pick too. He didnt want to see Dallas give Cleveland a late 1st and 3rd and then Dallas trade DA to Miami for Miamis 1st pick in the draft. Savage saved Miami big time on that deal but DA wouldnt have much pressure in Miami with them running the wildcat. DA would have done for Miami what Scott Mitchell did for Detroit after leaving Miami. Coincindentally, the Browns knocked out Marino and Mitchell came in and led the Dolphins on a comeback win.
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I would prefer Sanchez hands down to what we have now.
You did say that at draft time but seeing that Sanchez is playing for a better team, its easier to say that. Nobody knew what Quinn could do what but he did do good in his one drive his rookie season against San Fran and in his 2 starts last year. He beat Buffaloe in his second start and threw for over 300 yards against Denver.
I dont think Sancez would have more than one win on this team. He he a better defense in New York, better right side of the o-line and a better running game. Many on here wanted Thomas Jones when he was leaving Chicago and the backup Washington is about equal to the Browns Harrison. The Jets just know how to use him better. If you took Edwards out of the equation for both teams, the Jets have a better WR corps.
Sanchez couldnt even beat the Bills 
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There was no open QB competition in 2008. I know it is strange, but that is one of the few years that we said who our QB was going into camp and went through camp unwavering on that man being our starter.
Upon further review, you are correct..., But still,, Quinn could have stolen the show with an outstanding performance when given the chance.. And he didn't.
The only point I'm trying to make here is that if he was all that and a bag of chips, he'd have found a way to win the job.. convincingly
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just clicking...
If he gets in for whatever reason and I have to say right now the way M/K are treating this it would have to be due to a DA injury.
He still can get the 70% snaps - if he plays well.
My point its not 70% of the games...or Qtrs. Its Repititions!!
So far the Oh has done miserable including our Bills game. Where the number of Snaps were pretty much at a minimum. If we scored it was due to great field position from our Special Teams again eliminating those long drives of 70+ yards for a score and many offensive Reps...mostly we get 2 first downs and a FG.
If BQ takes over even after the POINT OF NO RETURN...and brings his A game moving the Brown's Offense and getting first downs and mega reps - he can do it with only 10 starts maybe even 9 cause of the terrible offense we have seen so far.
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Savage saved Miami big time on that deal but DA wouldnt have much pressure in Miami with them running the wildcat. DA would have done for Miami what Scott Mitchell did for Detroit after leaving Miami.
Good point and 2 things come to mind on that:
1. DA would have been a good fit in Miami. They have a lot of speedy guys who can get deep, plus with Ronnie Brown in the backfield, DA could use his play-action more effectively.
2. Amazing that Miami went the complete opposite direction in attaining Pennington instead (accurate short pass guy). Their non-Wildcat offense ended up looking like TxTech's last year due to all those speedy guys running bubble-screens and rubs (technically illegal in the NFL, but rarely callled).
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1. DA would have been a good fit in Miami. They have a lot of speedy guys who can get deep, plus with Ronnie Brown in the backfield, DA could use his play-action more effectively.
True. They rarely run any play-action for DA here. Ive been wanting to see more play-action the last 2 seasons. But both OCs the past 2 years have minimum experiance calling plays and I dont think they realize the importance of play-action. Maybe they feel the o-line dont give them enough time to call play-action. But using it effectively can give the QB more time. They rarely used it at all the past 2 years. Chud didnt have to his first year because teams didnt have much tape on his motion offense. Once they caught up to him half way thru his first season, he didnt know how to switch up his game plan.
If Savage allowed Dallas to sign DA, give Cleveland a 1st and 3rd, then Dallas traded DA to Mimai, those 3 teams would be so much differant.
Miami wouldnt have had the oppurtuniy to draft thier LT Long from Michigan. They wouldnt have picked Pennington off waivors, and probabley would have used their second pick to select a LT instead of picking Henne.
Who knows what Dallas would have done with that 1st pick.
Clevelands QB situation might not be situated but it would have been a lot less muddied. Those 2 picks could have helped and not cost the team much.
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I don't place all the blame on him... just like I give him very little credit for the fact that we've "been in" some games lately... it's not BECAUSE of him...
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the feeling down here in TX was that if Jerry Jones got that 1st pick, he was going to draft McFadden (being an Arkansas alum). They ended up getting Felix Jones by standing pat (for much cheaper), so that series of events would have made 2/3 teams worse off....and possibly made us better. miami - no Jake Long...even if DA would have had some success, Henne looks like a legit prospect and Penny got them by until him. they wouldn't have their franchise LT though, which is key (and who knows if they would have fully embraced the wildcat if they knew they had DA to gun it downfield all year). dallas - Felix Jones and McFadden have both been hurt a ton...both have been playmakers to some degree wthen healthy. They got Felix Jones and ended up trading their 3rd rounder to Detroit....then one of the 4th rounders they got to us (for Martin Rucker). cleveland - we don't have a QB controversy....we give the reigns to Quinn who may or may not fail, but at least is given some time to prove it one way or another. if he isn't it...then we already are starting the transition to a new QB now. we don't draft Rucker. we have another 3rd round pick (well, maybe we use that one to draft Rucker, but at least we don't burn 2 picks to draft him then). which is why it didn't happen 
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All Quinn had to do was sign his deal and he was the #2 guy waiting in the wings for Frye to implode.
that's all well and good Toad,, but based on what I've seen Last Season and this summer and in the first 3 games he played in this year, Quinn may not have pulled that far ahead of DA in Camp that year, I see no evidence that it would have worked out one bit better for him.
Quinn would not have had to be better...matter of fact....he could have been MUCH worse and it would not have mattered...you keep your #1 pick over the UDFA
Everything I read that year....they wanted to start the season with Frye, Quinn, Dorsey...Dorsey and Quinn were said to be close...with Dorsey in the mentor role.
But with Quinn being so far behind...they felt they needed to put him in the #3 spot and kept Anderson.
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Quinn would not have had to be better...matter of fact....he could have been MUCH worse and it would not have mattered...you keep your #1 pick over the UDFA
I Didn't say anything different.. I was not talking about who you get rid of, I was talking about who you start! Just a little difference there Hack
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But with Quinn being so far behind...they felt they needed to put him in the #3 spot and kept Anderson.
I pretty much remember it that way as well.. I really thought they would dump Anderson. Not for one second did I ever think they'd dumb Quinn.
My point is,,, One more time... if Quinn was all that and a bag of Chips,, he'd of had a better showing in the few opportunities he had.. both in Preseason and in camp drills. had he made them feel as if he was FOR SURE, the eventually stud,, Anderson would have been gone,, Frye may have lasted a bit longer as the starter.
Eventually, if he had the goods, Quinn would have gotten the start and Frye would have probably been kept as his back up.. at least for that year.
But all of this is just a guess..
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If Savage would have let that happen and not re-sign DA, the Browns would have been the only team that benifitted(is that a wrod). Not saying Quinn is that much better, but Dallas signing DA then trading him to Miami would have made the NFL landscape a little differant. The Browns would have benifit by not having the current QB contraversy and receiving the extra 1st and 3rd pick. Then the Browns would have the awnser with Quinn by now and they would only have one QB to dump instead of two. I knew Jones was looking for someone to draft with that first pick, thanks for the reminder
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Quinn would not have had to be better...matter of fact....he could have been MUCH worse and it would not have mattered...you keep your #1 pick over the UDFA
I Didn't say anything different.. I was not talking about who you get rid of, I was talking about who you start! Just a little difference there Hack
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But with Quinn being so far behind...they felt they needed to put him in the #3 spot and kept Anderson.
I pretty much remember it that way as well.. I really thought they would dump Anderson. Not for one second did I ever think they'd dumb Quinn.
My point is,,, One more time... if Quinn was all that and a bag of Chips,, he'd of had a better showing in the few opportunities he had.. both in Preseason and in camp drills. had he made them feel as if he was FOR SURE, the eventually stud,, Anderson would have been gone,, Frye may have lasted a bit longer as the starter.
Eventually, if he had the goods, Quinn would have gotten the start and Frye would have probably been kept as his back up.. at least for that year.
But all of this is just a guess..
I agree with what you are saying to a point...If Quinn was "all that" he has had a few chances to shine...but sometimes players need to play.
Ben R. had such a poor preseason year one...he would have been cut if not for being a first rounder...he looked horrible in practice.....then he did not lose a regular season game
Then it was the Steelers are protecting Ben...he is just a game manager.....
Now he is leading the league in passing......there is a progression that most NFL QB's make...and that progression comes from playing in actual games.
I saw Schott Jr. talk about Sanchez this week...and comparing his stats to Manning, Elway, Montana.....and said Sanchez stats look just like theirs....couple TD's....a lot of INT's....middle of the road completions.
Its time for Quinn to prove he either belongs or not...but you can't do that from the bench.
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I remember reading somewhere that there were no offers at all for DA, let alone a 1st & 3rd, after the '07 season. Who in there right mind would trade 2 picks for DA anyway? I mean, would any of you want DA for a 1st & 3rd if he was on another team? I would think not.
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I remember reading somewhere that there were no offers at all for DA, let alone a 1st & 3rd, after the '07 season. Who in there right mind would trade 2 picks for DA anyway? I mean, would any of you want DA for a 1st & 3rd if he was on another team? I would think not.
Considering some on here would want Cambell from Washington and were exstatic when a WCO Garcia came here, I think so. If you read back to the whole conversation, we were talking about when DA was given the Transition tag and if another team signed him they would have to give the Browns a 1st and a 3rd. This is when the 6'6 dropback QB was coming off a Pro Bowl season. Parcells was trying to get him to Miami (Bledsoe, Drew Henson, Testeverdi- it fits his dropback signal caller style) but his 1st rounder was the numvber 1 pick in the 1st round so he was trying to make a deal with Dallas to not give up that pick. A ton of people on this board would want to trade for a QB that just came from the Pro Bowl.
We were just discussing the past and how things would have worked out. No debate here bro.
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