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I don't think we are stuck with him because no big name coach wants the job. I think it's a good possibility we are stuck with him because the owner won't fire him.
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He just gave him the dreaded "vote of confidence". Go check the history on that.
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From my understanding (I could be wrong), that in order to hire a person under contract the offer has to be a position higher than he presently has.
In order to get Ozzie away from Baltimore the offer would have to be a pinnacle of career type position. His current title is GM/Executive VP.
An offer of President (head of all Football Operations) would be fitting but I believe the kicker to get him might have to include a minority ownership position.
This could be open to negotiation. Perhaps 10% to 20% might make it an offer he can't refuse.
Given all factors, meaning that Ozzie was the man to bring an organization from expansion to Super Bowl and constant contender it may light the bulb in Lerner's mind that Ozzie could be the messiah.
If you want to talk about PR and giving the fan base hope - Please he would be just what the doctor ordered.
You might not to want to give up part of ownership if it were you Toad, but you would probably not be in this mess. Then again, you have never walked in his shoes.
What's a few million when you were given billions.
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I would also like to see Jim Harbaugh as a candidate for Head Coach.
I know most people, including myself, don't usually like college coaches.
But Harbaugh has the pedigree (NFL QB, NFL assistant, successful head coach in college, etc.) to be a good coach.
He was also born in Toledo, Ohio.
Who cares if he went to Michigan. I don't.
If where he went to school is irrelevant (which it is), then where he was born is at least as irrelevant, if not more.
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Chris Polian GM, Kyle Shanahan head coach.
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Chris Polian GM, Kyle Shanahan head coach.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Didn't know much about either of these young men,, but I read up a little..
Both seem like up and comers.. I could understand why Shanahan would want the HC job, but I can't see why Polian would basically move over here for what appears a lateral position..
He's titled as VP of Football operations. If you look at who reports to him, you will see all the scouts, Player Personnel folks etc.. sounds like he basically has the job of GM as I've always defined it.. so why would he move here?
All that aside, we could do a lot worse than these two young men..
as a side note, there is a guy on the scouting staff in Indy named Kevin Kelly,, I wonder if it's the same Kevin Kelly that was here for years?
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This is his team..his assistant coaches,his waterboy,his ball boys...
his 2009 Draft picks,his boatload of Jets players he brought over whose play has been south of stellar.
Just like McDaniels who is getting credit for getting the Broncos to where they are at...Mangini must get the blame to where the Browns are at now.....a embarassment to the city and suffering fans....
If the Browns were winning,Eotab,you'd heap all kinds of praise on Mangini.
He's been your boy all along and now its not working out.
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captain,, I get the feeling your not all that thrilled with Mangini  Quote:
If the Browns were winning,Eotab,you'd heap all kinds of praise on Mangini.
I'm wondering how, after only being registered on this board since August of 2009, and only 29 posts, you would know what Eotab thinks or what he would do?
Under what handle did you post here before? Just wondering
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He could have been reading the board for years without posting. You should try it......
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I can't see why Polian would basically move over here for what appears a lateral position..
He's titled as VP of Football operations. If you look at who reports to him, you will see all the scouts, Player Personnel folks etc.. sounds like he basically has the job of GM as I've always defined it.. so why would he move here?
Lerner makes him president?
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Just like McDaniels who is getting credit for getting the Broncos to where they are at...Mangini must get the blame to where the Browns are at now.....
The lesson there mirrors an old cliche that stands the test of time:
Coaches get too much credit as well as too much blame.
Take those two coaches and put them on each team................The results would arguably be similar.
Now that isn't to say each shouldn't get blame or credit, but if each coach in the NFL were placed in each of these situations, the results wouldn't be too dissimilar.
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You should try it......
Pot, meet kettle
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Dude, really?.....You've got almost 14,000 posts. I'm surprised your fingers don't cramp up on an hourly basis...... 
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We need to stick with Mangini. He has a plan, he made the moves to aquire the picks. Now let him build his team with them.
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 Now you've been shut down about DA , you have to jump on Manpoleon's shoulders now..watch those buckle under the pressure..
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I was on the old board on the offical site years ago......
I didn't automatically jump on this one..I just read alot of posts.......
my grandfather owned Captains Franks back in the day......Visconti
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Chris Polian GM, Kyle Shanahan head coach.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Didn't know much about either of these young men,, but I read up a little..
Both seem like up and comers.. I could understand why Shanahan would want the HC job, but I can't see why Polian would basically move over here for what appears a lateral position..
He's titled as VP of Football operations. If you look at who reports to him, you will see all the scouts, Player Personnel folks etc.. sounds like he basically has the job of GM as I've always defined it.. so why would he move here?
All that aside, we could do a lot worse than these two young men..
as a side note, there is a guy on the scouting staff in Indy named Kevin Kelly,, I wonder if it's the same Kevin Kelly that was here for years?
Chris Polian might be looking for the challenge...and dollars could lure him away.
I really think Shanahan is Josh McDaniels II. Young, bright, offensive minded with a great coaching pedigree. His football age is older than his actual age.
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#GMSTRONG
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Thats what I can't remember..
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Probably the ones that had nothing to do with football.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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It's nice to be loved
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Notre Dame lost to Navy again. Charlie Wies could be fired at years end. How do y'all feel about the possibility of pairing him up with Quinn!
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this may be unfair,, but I'm rather tired of all these folks from the Belichick tree... can we move on please....... 
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Notre Dame lost to Navy again. Charlie Wies could be fired at years end. How do y'all feel about the possibility of pairing him up with Quinn!
OMG.. I would hire Wies as offensive coordinator in a heartbeat... (being a little bias though b/c I want Quinn to succeed)
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Urban Meyer would be my choice to rebuild the Browns.
I have followed his career since he became HC at Bowling Green and he has turned teams around and taken them to Championship levels at the college program he took over..BG to Utah to Florida.
Being from Ashtabula, Ohio...it's time to get someone who knows what Browns football is about, IMO. Urban Meyer is ready for the NFL and hopefully, Lerner will make a serious run at bringing him to Cleveland.
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Now way he would leave Florida.. and come to the Cleveland Browns... That would not be very smart..
If I were him, I would stay at Florida until they booted me out the door, and then they would have to bam my hands from letting go of the door hinges, cuz I'm not letting go.
Similar situation with Duke and their basketball coach.. No way he ever leaves.
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Now way he would leave Florida.. and come to the Cleveland Browns... That would not be very smart..
Never know, when Butch came here Miami was the top team. I know it dosen't mean anything regarding this situation, just saying.
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If Urb blesses us with Timmy Tebow then I'm all aboard! 
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Source: Holmgren on Browns' wish list http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4634879By Adam Schefter ESPN Archive One of the first people Cleveland Browns owner Randy Lerner will contact to run his team, if he hasn't contacted him already, is former Seattle Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren, according to a team source. AFC North blog Walker ESPN.com's James Walker writes about all things AFC North in his division blog. • Blog network: NFL Nation Holmgren is itching to return to football and the opportunity he would have in Cleveland would be an attractive one. Lerner is looking for someone to perform for the Browns the same role that Vice President of Football Operations Bill Parcells performs for the Dolphins. The job, for the time being, is Holmgren's to lose. If Holmgren were to take it -- and there are some people who think he still would prefer to coach -- he would be returning to the Midwest, where he built his reputation as the head coach of the Green Bay Packers. Holmgren is one of at least four names on Lerner's wish list, though he is considered the top target. The others are former New York Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi, Atlanta Falcons president Rich McKay and former Packers general manager Ron Wolf. Accorsi is a family friend of the Lerners who has made it clear that he will not take a full-time job with the Browns. Accorsi was close to Lerner's father, and the Browns owner has an emotional attachment to and great respect for Accorsi. McKay serves in the same type of role in Atlanta that he would be asked to do in Cleveland. Wolf hired Holmgren as the Packers' head coach. Lerner will offer whoever takes the job a broad array of powers. One of the chief ones will be the ability to hire whom the person wants as his general manager, in the same way that Parcells hired Jeff Ireland as the Dolphins general manager. Even though the Browns and their former general manager George Kokinis parted ways last week, Lerner has no plans right now to do away with his head coach, Eric Mangini. Those who have spoken with Lerner in the past week said the Browns owner is determined to stick with Mangini for the time being, giving him the time that Kokinis did not get. Kokinis spent 18 years with the Baltimore Ravens, and nine months with the Browns. Ultimately, Lerner might not even make the final call on Mangini -- it likely will be up to the team president and general manager that he hires. They will be the ones to determine whether to keep or dispose of Mangini, who is coming under heavy criticism in the Cleveland area for leading the team to a 1-7 record with an offense that has scored one fewer touchdown this season than the New Orleans Saints defense that has six. Those who know Kokinis say he expected to be let go from Cleveland at least one month ago. The Browns even tried to get him to resign long before last week. Kokinis had grown so disconnected to Mangini and other members of the Browns front office that the two rarely, if ever, had any contact. Kokinis grew increasingly withdrawn to the point where he looked and acted so unhappy, the Browns ordered him into counseling. Essentially, the two sides divorced long before it became official last week. What’s next for Kokinis depends largely on when he and the Browns will be able to resolve their differences. But Kokinis has a sterling reputation around the league, and is highly respected amongst numerous front-office men. He will have no difficulty landing a job, and it's quite possible he could return to Baltimore, where he still owns a home. Many around the league believe he will be back with the Ravens. Adam Schefter is ESPN's NFL Insider.
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I would be estatic if Holmgren took the job.
I think it would be more of a benefit to Quinn, than anderson. But he can develop QB's.
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This is what I want to see. Holmgren would be my first choice. I know he has a lot of connections and we could see someone like Gruden or Marriuci but I think he might go the same route as Parcells and hire someone who he has worked with previously that isn't already a big name. Either way I have a lot of confidence in Holmgren.
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If it is not Mooch or Gruden, then Marty Morhinweg from the Eagles would be a likely candidate.
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Not saying anything against Meyer at all,, But I think I want an experienced NFL Coach leading this team...
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Rich McKay is a guy I'd LOVE to have. He's done an awesome job with the Falcons. Only problem is that he's already the President there. Holmgren is my #2 on the list. At least neither of them would take Tebow like Gruden might. (Note, that is a small reason, it was just a way of commenting on Ammo's Timmy Tebow lovefest.)
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Wolf is 71 hasnt done anything in football in like 7 or 8 years. Accorsi doesnt want it. McKay isnt going anywhere.
Holmgreen is the right fit.
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Gotta agree with this. McKay would be perfect, but it won't happen. Holmgren is the guy.
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Gotta agree with this. McKay would be perfect, but it won't happen. Holmgren is the guy.
If Lerner can actually make this happen, I'm totally on board.
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