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The risk/reward in Cleveland is greater also... we are farther away than Seattle is but by the same token, and this is not to denegrate Seattle fans, but building a winning team in Cleveland would be monumental while building one in Seattle would be nice.
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Yep, the accolades for making Cleveland into a winner would be monumental and seal his stature in the annals of NFL lore. While making Seattle into a winner again is simply, "been there, done that".
Also it's Holmgren's chance to tie Parcells by taking three franchises to the super bowl.
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It would help Holmgren get into Akron.
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Reese (did a lot of good things as GM of the Titans, could be good for us)
Reese was a cap-wrecker in Tennessee. No thanks.
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Ok,, then who if not Holmgren or Parcells.....
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Good point and a valid question.
The only other guys who would qualify for the "czar" positions that have been mentioned would be Acorsi or Wolfe. The question is can you talk either out of retirement, and whom do they groom if they do. I have a feeling this might turn out to be Wolfe as the "czar" with Bernie learning the ropes before getting the keys to the kingdom.....jmho.
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thats funny, cause I was thinking Accorsi to groom Kosar.. or someone..
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I asked this on another thread as well. Can anyone think of someone that has been succesful as both the GM/Headcoach. I can't think of anyone.
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I didn't know Akron was that hard to get into.....
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I said Wolfe mainly because I don't think your talking Ernie out of retirment or we would have already........it could be EA over Wolfe though and that wouldn't shock me.
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I just had an epiphany ( could be spelled wrong). Everyone says Ozzie ain't leaving Baltimore, but I say money talks and B.S walks. What if, for what I believe would be the first time ever, offer Ozzie partial ownership of the team. Not a majority share but say, I don't know 20%, 30 % , whatever it takes. Then he would have a vested interest in fixing the team. Make him the President/ GM. It's a win, win. Instant credibility and a huge PR win.
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that may be the most dumbest thing I ever heard...
Why on EARTH would Lerner pay a man ANYTHING who is heavily invested in the Competitor!!!
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Heavilly invested how, financially? If he came hear it would be as Pres./GM. I believe 90 something % of the fans would do cartwheels if Lerner figured a way to land Ozzie. You say dumbest you've ever heard, explain yourself.
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Reese was a cap-wrecker in Tennessee. No thanks.
Ok,, then who if not Holmgren or Parcells.....
I don't keep up with the league enough to know who remains that I'd like. That doesn't preclude me from knowing who I DON'T like, as long as I have legitimate info to back up my opinion.
I recall that Reese went on a HUGE PR campaign that woulda made Jim Fassel envious, with some quotes trying to land the gig here.
I don't EVER like men who go on public PR's like that. It means they aren't getting any interest, which means they aren't that liked.
Let Reese stay there. I'm on board with Holmgren or nobody right now, at least until I see which other candidates emerge.
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, I don't know 20%, 30 %
Well, I'll say this, it was an original approach 
The Browns, on paper, are probably worth anywhere from 700 Million to 900 million.. I don't know which is closer to real. so let's just use 800 million as a starting point.
20% would be 160 Million
30% would be 240 Millon
I have no doubt that Randy Lerner would be a complete fool to do that..
For about 10 million (give or take 5 million) a year, he could get just aboiut anyone to run this team... why would he put out between 160 Mill and 240 Million..
I think someone could confirm this, but to even talk to Ozzie, we'd need to first get permission. I don't know if we would get that permssion.. but lets say we did.
The next hurdle is that he has to have a job bigger with a higher title and responsiblity than he has with the Ravens.. That means President of the Browns.. Not just the Football side.. He'd have to be Presiden of the whole shabang..
He's already got full control over the football operations.,, which is basically what we'd have him do here. so the job is basically the same. No increase in responsibility.
That begs the questions, what qualifies Ozzie to run the admistrative side of the business.. The answer is,, nothing.. not a thing...
As much as I would love to have Ozzie here, I don't see a way for that to happen.. I see no solution to making it work..
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Ozzie going to us is just as likely as me being named Bill Polian's successor.
So in other words, it's a sure thing.
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Well, when it happens, just remember all of us little people you stepped on to get there 
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You're just green goo (or in the case of your sig, yellow) goo on the bottom of my shoe. 
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Very well thought out response. The response I have to your response is this. Partial ownership would be a lifetime situation, you may not even have to pay some sort of salary, as he would paid based on team revenue. I don't think this has ever been done before and I believe being partial ownership of a team in and of itself would increase your responsibility. He could hire/ create a position to help/oversee the non-football side of what ever he may not be able to handle. Bottom line I want him to run the players side of the organization. Listen, I know this is very unlikely, but then again Lerner has enough money to do whatever he wants. Money talks, anyone can be bought. Enough incentive/money and Ozzie comes home.
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The idea of partial-ownership to entice him away has been discussed here before. While a creative solution, it's neither feasible nor plausible, mostly because of Lerner.
These owners only split up ownership if they are forced to. Lerner controls the business and the thought of giving up any of that business just to entice someone to come be a part of the front-office is something a guy like Lerner would chuckle at.
The potential pitfalls are so many and numerous that the idea, while interesting, is virtually impossible.
There are going to be several other legitimate candidates to discuss. Newsome, unfortunately, isn't one of'em. Some pipe dreams do more damage than good because they create false hopes leading to unachievable expectations.
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There is just no good reason why an owner would even consider giving up part ownership to bring in a guy.
What if said guy fails? Now you can't fire him because he owns part of the team. Not to mention what Daman pointed out. The cost of ownership no matter how small is just too much to give up for a GM.
There are plenty of candidates that wouldn't need that and might even be much better at the job than Ozzie.
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Thanks bro, a long day at work I needed that.
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I don't even know if He could clean up this mess. Walking on water is one thing. Turning the Browns into winners?
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I've read alot of things in the bible (ok, not really, but I've seen the movies in TV *L* ) and unfortunately, I didn't see anything about the:
"Book of Cap Management" anywhere in there
Maybe the church threw that book out with the other ones when King James said "ok, that's enough. Canonize that puppy!"
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Maybe it was in the Dead Tundra Scrolls? I know it's not in Psalms though, because those guys trying to figure out the mess that is the cap don't have a prayer.
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, I don't know 20%, 30 %
Well, I'll say this, it was an original approach
The Browns, on paper, are probably worth anywhere from 700 Million to 900 million.. I don't know which is closer to real. so let's just use 800 million as a starting point.
20% would be 160 Million
30% would be 240 Millon
I have no doubt that Randy Lerner would be a complete fool to do that..
For about 10 million (give or take 5 million) a year, he could get just aboiut anyone to run this team... why would he put out between 160 Mill and 240 Million..
I think someone could confirm this, but to even talk to Ozzie, we'd need to first get permission. I don't know if we would get that permssion.. but lets say we did.
The next hurdle is that he has to have a job bigger with a higher title and responsiblity than he has with the Ravens.. That means President of the Browns.. Not just the Football side.. He'd have to be Presiden of the whole shabang..
He's already got full control over the football operations.,, which is basically what we'd have him do here. so the job is basically the same. No increase in responsibility.
That begs the questions, what qualifies Ozzie to run the admistrative side of the business.. The answer is,, nothing.. not a thing...
As much as I would love to have Ozzie here, I don't see a way for that to happen.. I see no solution to making it work..
and you forgot one thing....after Kokinis, Baltimore has no reason to trust that even though his contract states it is a step up that it actually is.
also, after Savage AND Kokinis....why would Ozzie even consider making that move?
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absolutely true,, We will never get permission to speak with Ozzie...
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I'm sure Ozzie has some kind of ego about him... but he strikes me as the kind of guy that would be happy to stay where he has already been successful and has great job security and a great reputation..... and doesn't feel that burning need to try to achieve the unachievable just to say he did...
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It would help Holmgren get into Akron.
I didn't know Akron was that hard to get into.....
I just might qualify to get into the rubber capital of the world. 
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absolutely true,, We will never get permission to speak with Ozzie...
Actually, I believe as a show of respect to Ozzie, they WOULD grant him the ability to speak to Lerner. But it would be meaningless because Ozzie isn't leaving what he built to come back here.
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Actually, I believe as a show of respect to Ozzie, they WOULD grant him the ability to speak to Lerner. But it would be meaningless because Ozzie isn't leaving what he built to come back here.
Hadn't looked at it that way, but I suppose that's always possible.. Yet, like you, I don't think Ozzies leaving the Ravens..
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Let's just stop talking about Ozzie. It's too painful.
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Maybe we can get the other Ozzy he might be the perfect fit coming here. We can all go off the rails on the "Crazy Train"
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I use to have a catch phrase on the back of my racing jersey, "Whatever it takes".I said it before and I'll say it again, ANYONE can be bought. Lerner needs to pony up and get this guy, he needs to do "whatever it takes." I don't care what is said it can be done.
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there is no gurantee Ozzie can fix this mess...zero....
Holmgren would have a better chance of fixing this in the grand scheme of things
I would like one of these two sets ups:
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President: Ron Wolfe
Head Coach/GM: Mike Holmgren
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Football Czar: Mike Holmgren
Head Coach: Steve Maricuchi
either of those two scenarios would be fine by me
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Pay attention to football. Holmgren isn't proven as a GM, Ozzie is. Holmgren was relieved of his GM duties in Seattle. The one scenario no one wants is for anybody to be the GM/Headcoach at the same time. The ONLY one that has ever been able to handle the job is Belicheck and he had Pioli helping to some degree. Your best scenario would be Ron Wolf as the prez., Holmgen as the GM and Mooch as the head coach, even then they would need a good/ strong DC as Mooch strong suit is offense.
My dream scenario would be Ozzie as prez/GM and reunite him with Billick and Nolan.
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Nice phrase,, I like it. There is always a caviat. Near as I can tell, whatever it takes doesn't include shooting your opponent to win a race, it doesn't mean cheating and it doesn't mean going broke either.
doing what you suggest is just not financially responsible.
And besides, if you're going to buy someone for a huge amount, you should get some guarantees.. Is Ozzie guaranteed to build us a winner?
There are no guarantees Even Parcells has some risk...
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there is no gurantee Ozzie can fix this mess...zero....
Zero.........really zero. Betcha poll 10 people and 9 would say not only would Ozzie be the best choice but com' on man, what a PR move to get the fans excited again.
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