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You're right. He's had a rating over 100 one time. But he has had a 95.6, which you fail to mention. Come on.
Give the guy credit. Since coming back as starter he's had two good games and two bad games. He also hasn't thrown a pick in three games.
Brady Quinn has shown significant signs of improvement and I think that's all we can ask for from a player on this team.
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Yeah, Eo, we did have consensus on Rodgers.
To be as fair as I can be, I was high on Rodgers because he ran a version of the WCO, which at the time was more of an NFL offense. I thought Smith would have a very tough time transitioning to a conventional offense. I think it's very telling that over the last few games where Smith has looked better than at any point in his so-far dismal career, in order to get him there they had to take him out from under center and put him in the gun. That works for Tom Brady, but it's pushing the luck asking for that to work for an entire year and through the playoffs.
Now, the knock on Rodgers were two-fold:
1) He was too mechanical, supposedly lacking "feel" for the position, and
2) He was a Jeff Tedford student, and as such, he was supposedly a product of the college system that made QB's look better than they are.
They overlooked his athletic ability and solid arm.
Well, here we are about five years later and Rodgers is one of the true stars of the league, and arguably the top QB in the NFC not named Drew Brees.
Smith has taken much longer to adapt, and even with limited success it can be argued that he still hasn't adapted because the team has been forced to move him out from under center.
Oh.........wait...........we're supposed to be talking about Quinn. My bad 
This is Quinn's chance to shut alot of people up. If I DON'T say this it's inevitable the natural human reaction of polarization would make it out to where I said he must win the game: He just has to make smart decisions and accurate throws. He doesn't have to win the game in order to impress, because beating the Steelers isn't the be-all end-all. That was a stupid mantra for backing Couch, and it'd be a rediculously idiot statement for anyone to say he must beat the Steelers to justify his job.
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The Rodgers thing got kinda weird. I remember one guy talking about how a friend of his saw Rodgers in a restaurant, and posters were obsessing on whether he could get back to his friend and ask him how tall he was. Is he really close to 6' 2? Yada Yada... How big are his hands... You're right, the Tedford thing was the main deal. Carr, Dilfer, etc... There was concern that his qb's were overrated and a product of his system. Rodgers was hurt, really hurt, by his Brady Quinnesque meltdown in that Bowl Game. Holiday Bowl? Up until then the word was that he could really throw the ball. I haven't seen Brady Quinn step up into the pocket, hang, and then step into a throw 5-10 times in the last 7 years. 
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Brett Favre might take exception to that... 
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He might, but he wouldn't want to trade offensive lines or skill-position players or stadiums 
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easy way to end this (I think)....does anyone actually think GB should have kept Favre with full knowledge of hindsight?
I love Favre, but I'd rather lock up a top-flight QB for the next 10 years than hope a 40 year old can keep things going (especially behind GB's current OL).
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Considering I thought so highly of Rodgers that I stated three years ago they should have dumped him............
Favre has exceeded my expectations for him in Minny, but right now all the stars are aligned for him. Having just lost EJ Henderson for the year, as well as the impending wear-and-tear on Favre's body as the season wears on, I still think he stands a good chance of fading down the stretch. He better hope he can stay indoors the rest of the way out, hehe.
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with the 2seed all but locked up and NO with the 1seed....it looks fairly certain Favre will remain indoors for the important games. it will be interesting how well he can do against the aggressive secondary of NO in a game he might feel he needs to win himself if they get down a couple scores early.
and I was merely trying to bridge the gap between you and DC there....I'm a peacekeeper (when I'm not stirring things up myself that is)
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Peacekeeper...............Bah. Ghandi is boring, while Kim IL Jong sells newspapers
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with the 2seed all but locked up and NO with the 1seed....it looks fairly certain Favre will remain indoors for the important games. it will be interesting how well he can do against the aggressive secondary of NO in a game he might feel he needs to win himself if they get down a couple scores early.
and I was merely trying to bridge the gap between you and DC there....I'm a peacekeeper (when I'm not stirring things up myself that is)
I was hearing that line of thought on the radio this AM,....these 2 NFC 'good' teams are not only going to get first round byes, then a "dome-home" game, they're going to face each other in a dome, unless there is an upset along the way,.....and even then, that might involve the Cowboys (dome) or Arizona (indoors).
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"I know I was on the Rogers side but don't remember you on that side. Or strongly on that side."
yeah, you're right - I made that up just now and lied to boot 
I never really pimped him to draft...but from the get go I was wowed by his Technique and thought he was going to be great. As for pimping I pretty much ended up pimping Merriman not Rogers. I thought if we traded down Rogers was a possibility and if we TOOK A QB I wanted Rogers over Smith. I remember Toad and I getting into detail on what we both so positive in Rogers.
In the QB threads I liked Rogers...pimping for our pick I was all for Merriman.
but Unless I'm a bold faced LIAR  I think I would be one most apt to know who I liked and didn't like. So basically you have decided to call me a liar.
Thanks, hey I know you don't like me...but LIAR??? 
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Man your panties get in a bunch awfully easy. I said I didn't remember that you were on that side of the debate or, strongly on that side. There was some of us that wanted to draft him!
I was very outspoken on Rodgers, started a thread on him as well as others over the years. Sometimes I was right, with him, Joe Thomas and Chris Johnson. Others wrong like Najeh Davenport, Elton Brown and Max-Jean Gilles.
My point is that it wasn't two guys on an island. There were a lot of people that liked him and yes the Tedford thing was an issue. I was sold when he single handedly beat USC, throwing 23 straight completions.
I don't dislike you either. Man you're emotional.
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Tedford, add Carr, Dilfer, and Boller to the mix.. the knock was that he was a system QB.
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He was.
An NFL system.
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Man your panties get in a bunch awfully easy. I said I didn't remember that you were on that side of the debate or, strongly on that side.
He said he was. You expressed doubt in what he said. How else does one take it?
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Man your panties get in a bunch awfully easy. I said I didn't remember that you were on that side of the debate or, strongly on that side.
He said he was. You expressed doubt in what he said. How else does one take it?
To quote: lied, bold faced LIAR, LIAR, liar.
Maybe just a touch, a tiny, teeny bit MELODRAMATIC!
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I’ve been unimpressed with Brady Quinn since he played at Notre Dame and have not been a real fan of him as an NFL player, in large part because of his inability to put the ball in specific locations with precision-like accuracy. My evaluation is not personal, just based on his play. The other area of concern I’ve always had with Quinn is his inability to make throws down the field. His yards-per-attempt average has always left me disappointed. This season, he’s 4 of 30 on passes over 20 yards, and for his career, he’s 6 of 37, so his failure to put the ball in the right spot down the field is still a problem.
When I asked Saints quarterback Drew Brees last weekend how he throws the ball to covered receivers, his response was, “I can put the ball in a spot where only my guy can make the catch.” I then said, “You must be very good at throwing darts,” and Brees modestly replied, “I’m decent.”
My point here is that I’ve never seen Quinn demonstrate that type of accuracy with the football, but I admit, the past few weeks he’s improved as an overall player in two of the Browns’ four games.
In the last four weeks, Quinn has played well against the Lions and in the first drive of the Chargers game, along with the second half. He has done a very good job protecting the ball, throwing only two interceptions, and has seven touchdown passes. He’s still not going to be a high-percentage completion passer, but if he can make plays down the field, then the completion percentage is not as important. This is where the Redskins’ Jason Campbell has improved and is the critical area that Quinn must develop.
But has he done enough for the Browns to draw any firm conclusions? Yes, there are faint signs of hope, but not permanent conclusions can be drawn from his recent play, good or bad. If I were in the Browns’ position this year, I would keep Quinn and make sure that I invested in another quarterback — much like the Chargers did when they had Brees and still drafted Philip Rivers. If Quinn makes significant progress, then he’s a valuable trade option, or even the quarterback of the future. So drafting another quarterback is a win/win for the Browns.
The next four games will also help in the team’s overall evaluation of Quinn. He must continue to improve his game and his ability to make plays. Much like with Campbell, Quinn needs to focus on his improvement and not worry about what the defense or special teams are doing. He can only affect the areas he can control.
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Thanks for posting that, even though I have to admit, I could almost wonder if you didn't copy/paste something I'd sent you in PM then put it in that quote, as I swear I could have written that verbatim. 
The truly scary part is the fact that Campbell was thrown into that evaluation.
Obviously, I couldn't agree more.
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As long as its not a day one QB thats drafted.. I'm cool with it. UNLESS someone with unbelievable talent is left still on the board..
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I still like the kid from Florida Atlantic Rusty Smith as a late day 2 prospect. Recovering from an injured shoulder (non-throwing) so his stock is dropping a bit which is the way you like to see the late day steals. Great prospect to bring a long slowly. These are the kind of kids you bring in and groom for several years,
Quinn is willing to put in the work and never underestimate how important that is for the quarterback position. Fact is this is what his 10th or 11th start coming up and he hasnt had time to develop that comfort level. It takes time.
People saw Ryan and Flacco and came to the conclusion that all quarterbacks should have early success or they are a bust. Now Ryan and Flacco are struggling and oo now they are busts. Its pretty funny actually.
Drew Brees early on was the exact same quarterback that Quinn is right now. Its why they chargers chose to go out and get another quarterback. He wasnt consistent, he had flashes of brilliance but then he would have the cautious games from hell.
Brees put in the work and he is now arguably the best quarterback in the league. Now there were a few around here that wanted to trade for Brees soon as they drafted Rivers. It would have been a great move. More wanted to grab him when he was recovering from injury. Smart move then as well.
Point is, these guys that bust their ass day after day after day usually end up having tremendous success.
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I didn't realize that Brees had a knock on being very inaccurate with his passes.
I was aware that Eli had a knock on accuracy and arm strength (to some degree).
I was hoping that Brady would evolve along those lines.
My hope is diminishing.
I don't see him coming anywhere close to where Eli is. I hope I'm wrong.
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with the 2seed all but locked up and NO with the 1seed....it looks fairly certain Favre will remain indoors for the important games. it will be interesting how well he can do against the aggressive secondary of NO in a game he might feel he needs to win himself if they get down a couple scores early.
and I was merely trying to bridge the gap between you and DC there....I'm a peacekeeper (when I'm not stirring things up myself that is)
I was hearing that line of thought on the radio this AM,....these 2 NFC 'good' teams are not only going to get first round byes, then a "dome-home" game, they're going to face each other in a dome, unless there is an upset along the way,.....and even then, that might involve the Cowboys (dome) or Arizona (indoors).
Curious, where is the Super Bowl this season ? I just might run out and bet the NFC,...period.
Superbowl is in Miami. So, unless there is rain, it should be good weather.
Also, even with an upset, if Minny and NO are the top2 seeds, they will not have to leave a dome (because they will be assured the highest seed and get to play at home).
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It seems like every day someone new is stepping forward to opine on the NFL prospects of Florida's Tim Tebow. A few days ago it was Florida governor Charlie Crist. Today it's someone with slightly better credentials to analyze the quarterback position.
Phil Simms, the former Super Bowl MVP-winning quarterback of the New York Giants, appeared on the Dan Patrick Show and offered his own assessment of Tebow, saying that while quarterback is the right position for him in the NFL, he's going to need a lot of fine-tuning.
"He's going to make it in the NFL as a quarterback. Somebody will take him," Simms said. "I think it's a pretty tough road ahead. I think he has to make some changes as far as how he throws if he wants to be a successful NFL quarterback."
Simms takes issue with those who think Tebow can succeed simply because he has the character and leadership of a successful quarterback. Simms says character and leadership aren't nearly as important as the ability to throw the football. And Simms questions whether Tebow has that ability.
"It's about the arm," Simms said. "It's about the arm. Let's just get over that. . . . It's not a powerful arm, by no means. It's not quick. He's just really got to control the football better. He doesn't control it as well as he should to really be a top-flight NFL quarterback, but that can change."
Simms doesn't think Tebow has to change positions to play in the NFL. But he does think Tebow has to change his throwing motion. That takes time, and that means any NFL team that drafts him had better be patient.
Someone is going to reach for Tebow because of his intangibles, and I want no part of him, not when the cost is going to be higher than it should be.
There was an article earlier suggesting the Jags would take him in the first round in order to ride the Tebow-love wave and sell some tickets and merchandise. It makes sense for a team that is the worst in the league when it comes to financial support from their market. So in order to take Tebow, a team may have to reach an entire round or two to get him, and that'd be a HUGE mistake for this franchise.
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I was aware that Eli had a knock on accuracy and arm strength (to some degree).
I was hoping that Brady would evolve along those lines.
My hope is diminishing.
I don't see him coming anywhere close to where Eli is. I hope I'm wrong.
Eli didn't come anywhere close to where he is until one game a quarter of the way into his 4th season.
Until that point, he completely and totally had the makings of "BUST" written all over him... aside from his surname.
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Tying into a point I'm continuing to make, Manning has a Super Bowl under his belt, but he most certainly not an elite QB.
With a career passer rating of 78 and no years of ratings 90 or above, he can be considered a solid QB, but not great. In many ways, he and his Super Bowl win are a product of the supporting cast.
Now, applying this to Quinn, while I'm obviously in favor of a different concept at QB, there's no way in Hell I want to spend a high draft pick on a QB. In fact, I'd want NO picks at all to be spent on one. All the picks we have need to be spent on positional players. Even if it meant one more uncontested year of Quinn, we're in a position to acquire AT LEAST two starters with our picks in the first and second rounds, as those will be two picks in the 1-3 range and the 32-35 range. That's an elite player and what could be an elite guard or defensive linemen for the 3-4.
We can go farther quicker by using our picks on positions other than QB.
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You've finally said something I agree with you on I've never thought Quinn could be an elite QB. I do however think we can win with him if we have the supporting cast. I know you would like to see us get Campbell but if that doesn't happen I think Quinn can be good enough to compete with. I don't view him as a QB who can take the team on his shoulders and win like a Brees or Peyton can but I don't think you really need that kind of QB to win. That said it sure would help.
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Would you still feel that way if a QB the quality of, or thought to be of the quality of Payton Manning were coming out this year?
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"Man your panties get in a bunch awfully easy. I said I didn't remember that you were on that side of the debate or, strongly on that side."
Yeah but it was the tone of your voice when you said it...
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an interesting question....but there is not one (at least not as much of a slam dunk one...who knows who might become a Tom Brady)....so a moot point.
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I'm aware of Eli nearly getting run out of town.
My main point is that a year ago, when I looked at Quinn against the Broncos, my thought was that he could eventually develop into at least as good a QB as Eli. There were things that I saw, that I believed were similar.
I no longer believe that. Eli executes at a level that I don't think Brady will ever come close to. JMHO
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That's absurd and makes little to no sense at all.
If you saw it a year ago, it's there now.
Think about it... Does it make more sense that he changed or that the things around him changed... especially when we KNOW that the things around him changed?
Shuffled line, changed scheme, rookie RB's, rookie WR's, new TE's, new HC, new O-Coord and the QB in his first full season as a starter.... and you're questioning the long term potential of just the QB vs what you think you saw a year ago???
I got a word for ya: fickle.
Dude, we barely even know enough to question the short-term with this bunch, to make broad strokes regarding the long term is way, way premature... ESPECIALLY at that sort of position.
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Man, BQ AT IT AGAIN!!!!! When this guy has no confidence or faith in himself, he always settles for the screen passes or some other short pass. He misses a ton downfield. Of course that lame duck that went 10 yards out of bounds may be a good reason why he isn't even attempting it.
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There is absolutely no way you can judge a QB from a below 0 degree game with 20-40 MPH winds.
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It isn't that windy. If BQ was playing with any confidence, the Browns would have 2-3 TD's by now.
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There is absolutely no way you can judge a QB from a below 0 degree game with 20-40 MPH winds.
Actually, there is. Decision making isn't precluded by weather elements.
It's not nearly as easy to judge accuracy in bad weather.
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There is absolutely no way you can judge a QB from a below 0 degree game with 20-40 MPH winds.
Actually, there is. Decision making isn't precluded by weather elements.
It's not nearly as easy to judge accuracy in bad weather.
With decision making is always fairly easy to judge a Qb, usually based on INTs and fumbles. However, what everyone is worried about with Quinn, accuracy,can in no way be effectively evaluated tonight.
I guess I should have said it like that 
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Quinn has done something that only one QB in Browns history (since 99) has done..
Beat the Steelers!!
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Hall of Famer
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While he was well below average, he did not turn over the ball.
So that's good.
you had a good run Hank.
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2nd String
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Quote:
Quinn has done something that only one QB in Browns history (since 99) has done..
Beat the Steelers!!
That's a great item to add to Quinn's resume to keep the Starter's Job!
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