Run to perfection it is a horizontal as well as vertical attack. I remember seeing Gruden running it with Gannon, Rice and Brown, and it was a thing of beauty to watch from the end zone. It attacks the field in two dimensions.
There are several other souces that can be found, even Wikapedia has a pretty good description.
I agree....though I could see Holmgren "strongly" suggesting an OC with a few positional coaches for that side of the ball where Mangini and Ryan take care of the defense.
and no, I don't think that would be a bad thing....I think staffs can operate that way as long as the guy on top makes sure the communication is fluid and that there is no bias in what players to accumulate (no wars between getting an offensive or defensive guy).
Quote: I know I'm brutally honest sometimes, at least to myself. I don't want Cowher and I don't care who it ticks off. I hope he gets Fox's job.
I agree with this. I really don't want to root for a guy I've hated for the past however many years. It's the same thing with the Vikings fans, I don't get how they can root for Favre after he tortured them for all those years.
Screw Cowher, I'll take Mariucci or Marty Mornhinweg over him.
Quote: It's the same thing with the Vikings fans, I don't get how they can root for Favre after he tortured them for all those years.
if cowher went 2-0 against the steelers and got the #2 seed his first year here like Favre is doing in Minny, all would be forgiven rather quickly, I imagine.
Quote: I see everything as being positive. I suspect that the Rooney Rule would apply,, but have no idea, other than Ozzie, who has publically stated that he has no interest would fit the criteria.
Does the Rooney Rule apply to owners? Maybe as OT suggested Mr Learner throws 5% of the team his way and thus is part owner rather than a hire?
I think the Rooney Rule is dumb. Somebody explain why there is such a thing. If Ozzie became available teams would be lining up to give him an interview because they would truly want him. If the Browns want Holmgren we have to interview a black guy just to meet the rule when the guy would know he wasn't going to get hired? I just don't see the point.
You think Mangini set the team back, Holmgren would be terrible. It would require complete overhaul of all the promising talent Koko brought in last year to fit into Mangini's systems before his nervous breakdown, plus the trades. Holmgren's systems are quite quite different, especially defensively. It would setback everything and probably rekindle a new players revolt.
this would not need to happen if: the HOFO did his own job and no one else's the GM did his own job and no one else's the HC did his own job and no one else's the OC did his own job and no one else's
and so on.......
I'm with Clem, why is it gospel that Mangini will be fired or even that schemes will be changed?
Quote: It would require complete overhaul of all the promising talent Koko brought in last year to fit into Mangini's systems before his nervous breakdown, plus the trades.
I wouldn't call it "gospel" but there is a certain amount of logic behind such a consideration.
Everywhere Holmgren has gone he's been a WCO guy. I think it simply stands to reason he'd favor hiring people who are on the same page as himself.
Regardless of a personal opinion which would either favor or denounce the WCO, I would feel more comfortable knowing that the Czar chose people who understand and favor the schemes and concepts which Holmgren is most familiar with. If he were a power-running guy who favored a two TE set with a 260 pound fullback, I may not care for the offense, but I'd feel more optimistic if he hired people who were in sync with his thinking so that we'd stand the best chance of landing the right players for the scheme.
So...............would I call it "gospel" when I say I believe Holmgren would hire a GM who'd favor the WCO? That wouldn't be right, but it would be a logical step. In fact, it's a step that would make the most sense in terms of synchronicity.
As for defense, I have no concrete evidence to support the following statement, but I do believe he'd allow a defensive specialists design and install that persons own defense. I only say that because historically speaking, the tendency is for offensive guys.............like Holmgren...............to stick to the offense and let the defensive coaches do their thing. Now this could easily be out of play, as he'll hire people which may see things completely differently.
So as for 'Gini.........I think this team would have to put on a Helluva show these last few games for him to survive. It is a fact that most new regimes install their own people. Considering that Mangini has already had his people sacked and seen his team hit rock-bottom, I think the odds of Holmgren retaining a guy like that are not good.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
Mike Holmgren remained unemployed. Eric Mangini stayed on the job, and the Cleveland Browns were still a mess.
That was about the extent of things following a drawn-out Tuesday with scarce information as the Browns, searching for a leader to head their football operations, continued talks with Holmgren, the former Seattle and Green Bay coach who wants back into the NFL.
Holmgren, with one Super Bowl title and success brimming from his resume, spent his second day meeting with owner Randy Lerner at the team's suburban headquarters. Despite the lengthy stay, there was no indication that a deal was imminent.
In an e-mail to The Associated Press, Lerner suggested the sides still were talking but gave no specifics.
Holmgren arrived Monday after being invited to Cleveland by Lerner, who wants to hire a proven executive. On Tuesday, Holmgren was back at the team's facility along with agent Bob LaMonte. The length of Holmgren's visit, and LaMonte's inclusion, points to the 61-year-old's strong interest in taking on the Browns, who have had just two winning seasons since 1999.
Mangini, whose future could hinge on whom the Browns hire, told WTAM that he met with Holmgren. Mangini, whose future could hinge on whom the Browns hire, told WTAM that he met with Holmgren.
"I have a ton of respect for Mike, and we'll see where it goes," Mangini told the club's flagship radio station. "They are still in the early stages."
Lerner has been focused on finding someone to fix his failing franchise. Last month, he said he wanted to hire a "serious, credible leader" to run the Browns.
Holmgren fits that bill.
He appeared in 12 postseasons and three Super Bowls before stepping down after last season with more wins than any other active coach. Holmgren, who had a spotty four-year run as both Seattle's coach and general manager, is a proven football authority.
He took a sabbatical after the 2008 season to spend more time with his family. But Holmgren has been itching to get back into pro football, and the Browns would be a new challenge. It's not known if Holmgren wants to serve as GM or as an overseer similar to Bill Parcells' role in Miami.
Holmgren recently told a Seattle radio station he found Cleveland's front-office job appealing.
"There's something in my personality, too, that taking on those types of projects, that kind of gets me going. But there's a lot of work to do," he said. "The important thing, going into any organization is that all of the principles, all of the decision makers are pointed in the same direction, with the same motives, the same desires, and then you have a chance."
Even if they reach an agreement with Holmgren, it's possible the Browns may have to conduct further interviews to comply with the league's "Rooney Rule," which mandates that a team must interview at least one minority candidate before filling a front-office vacancy.
Holmgren spent 10 years with Seattle and seven with the Packers, leading them to a Super Bowl title in 1996. The Seahawks made the playoffs six times under Holmgren, including their only Super Bowl appearance when they lost to Pittsburgh to end the 2005 season.
Holmgren said last week he "absolutely" wanted to talk to Seahawks owner Paul Allen and chief executive Tod Leiweke about returning to the team, which relieved Holmgren of his GM duties after the 2002 season. Seattle is looking for a GM following Tim Ruskell's resignation on Dec. 3, and Holmgren could be using the Browns as leverage to get a deal with his former team.
As of Tuesday, the Seahawks were still in the process of what Leiweke last week called "a thorough audit" of the slumping team. They have not started the process of interviewing candidates.
It's not known what impact the hiring of a football "czar" would have on Mangini's status. His first season in Cleveland has been defined by lopsided losses, a suspect draft, players grumbling about practice methods and fines, and the firing of GM George Kokinis.
Mangini has said he would be open to Lerner bringing in someone to head the team's personnel decisions. Following the Browns' upset of Pittsburgh last week, Mangini said he would welcome a chance to show a "czar" what progress he has made in Cleveland.
"They can sit down and talk to the coaches, sit in on any meeting, watch our practices," he said. "Come to our meetings. See how we teach. See how we function as a staff because it's good and it's right. Come take a look because it's a good product."
Lerner recently began a front-office overhaul by hiring Fred Nance as the team's general counsel. Nance was one of five finalists to succeed former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue.
I like the idea of "The Mustache" coming into the fold. But, I would hope that he could find away to work with Mangini.
Keep Mangini? you say? I know he has not made all the friends in the dawgworld. But, he has brought discipline and accountability to a team who had very little. He has foound a way to keep his team fighting with a horrible record. (Romeo's team was packing it in last year.) He has made some mistakes and made some gambles that have not worked out. Head coaching is not an exact science. I hope that Holgren can work with him, I believe they could have a good balance between the two of them.
The Browns do need to bring in a Offensive Coordinator. B. Daboll has shown some improvement, but I still don't think he is the guy. Mike Holmgren would be very helpful in this hire and possible fire.
Rob Ryan, what can I say. I love the guy! Rob just needs some more talent. Rob has cranked up this D, I love his blitzing and I like his style. No one, and I mean no one, can rock a beer gut like that guy. My buddy and I call him "The Dude". Because of his likeness to the Jeff Bridges character in the "Big Lebowski". I am sure you all have seen the film. If you have not, rent it, buy it, netflix it, trust me that movie is awesome.
Quote: Rob Ryan, what can I say. I love the guy! Rob just needs some more talent. Rob has cranked up this D, I love his blitzing and I like his style.
I really hope Randy is really, really listening to us fan, we need to keep Rob, Mangini I really dont care one way or the other, But in order to win in this division we have to play hard nose tuff D and Rob is just that, I dont wanna see us go back to the pansy pants rub & react Defence of the past, Rob has our guy punching oppenents in the mouth, that's DEFENCE, not grab & run after the ball carrier crap we've watched for 10 years now. If we lose Rob this Franchise deserves to lose. Heck make Rob head coach, if a chance has to be made, whatever we do WE CANT LOSE ROB RYAN
Quote: Mangini has said he would be open to Lerner bringing in someone to head the team's personnel decisions. Following the Browns' upset of Pittsburgh last week, Mangini said he would welcome a chance to show a "czar" what progress he has made in Cleveland.
"They can sit down and talk to the coaches, sit in on any meeting, watch our practices," he said. "Come to our meetings. See how we teach. See how we function as a staff because it's good and it's right. Come take a look because it's a good product."
Again EM pimping himself, calling a 2-11 mess a "good product"...he's literally...
Quote: Heck make Rob head coach, if a chance has to be made, whatever we do WE CANT LOSE ROB RYAN
While I like his attitude, I'm not sure we know how good Ryan is. This team has been so devoid of talent that it's impossible to know.
The only game I can think of that we stopped anyone was the Pittsburgh game. While that game was very well schemed, I read that the scheme was very similar to one Mangini used to beat Pittsburgh when he was with the Jets, so I wonder if that was really Ryan.
Seahawks apparently willing to let Holmgren walk Posted by Mike Florio on December 16, 2009 8:01 AM ET Former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren hasn't been coy about his interest in returning to the Seahawks in a front-office capacity. One day after G.M. Tim Ruskell resigned, Holmgren said he'd "absolutely" like to talk.
But the feeling apparently isn't "absolutely" mutual.
ESPN's John Clayton reports that the search firm lining up candidates for the General Manager position has not contacted Holmgren. Though it's possible that Holmgren has been contacted directly by the Seahawks, the fact that the Seahawks are moving slowly and the reality that Holmgren wants to move quickly suggests that the Seahawks aren't interested in Holmgren, and that they're trying to avoid saying so.
If that's the case, it's not a surprise. As we recently pointed out, CEO Tod Leiweke might not be inclined to sit through an encore of the Big Show, given that Leiweke is now in position to finagle top billing.
Though the failure to pursue Holmgren might not go over well in Seattle, he's smart enough to take the hint. And with the Browns ready to give him the keys to the franchise and by all appearances no non-football guy like Leiweke in a position to have his turf threatened there, Cleveland makes the most sense for Holmgren.
It's a Grossi article from the Plain Dealer written before the first Steelers game. This article is very interesting because Bowens is quoted as saying at the time of the first Steelers game, the Browns scheme was nothing like the Jets scheme from 07. And the Browns got run off the field in that game.
Makes me think the scheme from the second Pittsburgh game was more similar to the Jets scheme from 07..
" Even if the Browns reached an accord with Holmgren, the club probably wouldn't announce it until complying with the league's Rooney Rule. The rule mandates every team must interview at least one minority candidate before filling a front office vacancy. "
The key is now seeing how this plays out..when we know someone who fits under the Rooney Rule is interviewed,we'll begin to see things fall in place..
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