Oh great. I've heard X-mas as MH's "so called" deadline for employment, but I can't understand a reason to not get things done now,... unless a minority has to be interviewed first.
Quote: " Even if the Browns reached an accord with Holmgren, the club probably wouldn't announce it until complying with the league's Rooney Rule. The rule mandates every team must interview at least one minority candidate before filling a front office vacancy. "
The key is now seeing how this plays out..when we know someone who fits under the Rooney Rule is interviewed,we'll begin to see things fall in place..
Is there anybody out there other than Ozzie that should even be considered for a "Czar" position?
NoLogo, I agree with you. This BizarroWorld Dee we saw vs the Stoolers rocked, and some of it was better mobility and quickness and speed in the open field. We used a good deal of pressure and it worked. Point to be made is that if we did this with rooks, rummies, and cast-offs, the Ryan approach improves with some draftees and FAs who are what he wants. We get stronger, especially with the 20s IMO, and it gets better. Not willing to forgive and overlook a bunch of the wretched on the merits of just one game. Encouraged, but no performance amnesia here for 2009 season.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
OverToad, so does that mean ITO coaching and as management, you pursue (as I feel Lerner is doing) the best guy available. No posters seem to be considering a scenario where EM is kept one more year with this sweetheart draft in place and then released. I am not that curious; if EM has to change to stay, fine. If he refuses, fine also. It is just another "process" for EM who has mishandled some things, and also horribly overmanged others. But no controversy; if Holmgren lands, his moves. You have a Kocinis chance in Berea to drum up a groundswell of enthusiasm for and trust in the EM "process" or plan or whatever. Some loyalty for a time might be a good place to begin. BQ is not all that but shows improvement with games, and certainly superior to output of DA. Get a vet.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Quote: Seahawks apparently willing to let Holmgren walk Posted by Mike Florio on December 16, 2009 8:01 AM ET Former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren hasn't been coy about his interest in returning to the Seahawks in a front-office capacity. One day after G.M. Tim Ruskell resigned, Holmgren said he'd "absolutely" like to talk.
But the feeling apparently isn't "absolutely" mutual.
ESPN's John Clayton reports that the search firm lining up candidates for the General Manager position has not contacted Holmgren. Though it's possible that Holmgren has been contacted directly by the Seahawks,
Sorry, but I don't trust this claim that the Seahawks are not showing interest in Holmgren yet. John Clayton does not reveal any specific sources for his claims either.
Paul Allen (or whom ever is acting for him), is not likely to announce any meetings with Holmgren so it would be a huge mistake for the Browns to believe Holmgren is not being pursued by Paul Allen.
If John Clayton's sources are west coast (Seattle) "I" would not trust the information.
JMHO, but the bidding war between Lerner and Paul Allen may have just begun....whatever it takes, Randy...whatever it takes....
First thing. If i read rooney rule one more time in this thread I am going to barf. Look we have been interviewing people for a freaking month. The only reason this is big news is because they took the interview public with dinner in a restaurant. We have probably already interviewed twenty minorities.
Again this was taken to the public for a reason. The agent was brought in for a reason. Holmgreen touring the facility was done for a reason as was meeting with Mangini.
To me it looks like we are well past the stage of worrying about minority interviews. This is farther along in the process than what seems to be reported.
If the Browns want Holmgren and are willing to even approach the "virgin territory" of $10mil / year, then why not just be prepared to shell out the one-time max $500k rather than insulting a minority candidate to come in for a fake interview?
Hope U ate enough cuze it's going to be brought up again.. I mentioned it to get clarification for myself and no other name has been mentioned that was interviewed..so I can't go on anything till I see more.
Quote: If the Browns want Holmgren and are willing to even approach the "virgin territory" of $10mil / year, then why not just be prepared to shell out the one-time max $500k rather than insulting a minority candidate to come in for a fake interview?
Good point.
However, image probably would be the dilemma, not $500,000.
just clicking to add a west coast story about Holmgren...
Dance between Seahawks and Mike Holmgren is speeding up
Mike Holmgren's trip to Cleveland to talk to the Browns could hurry the Seahawks to the dance floor — or it could inspire resentment that Seattle's decision is being rushed.
By Danny O'Neil Seattle Times NFL reporter
Mike Holmgren began making goo-goo eyes at the Seahawks even before he left in January for his one-year sabbatical.
He's ready to play footsie with his former team, too. That was made clear two weeks ago on Holmgren's radio show on KJR (950 AM) when he said he would most certainly like to talk to the Seahawks about the vacancy atop their football operations.
Too subtle, huh?
Well, Tuesday's news that Holmgren is in Cleveland talking to Browns owner Randy Lerner was more like a kick to the shins then, and it certainly got the attention of anyone in Seattle hoping for Holmgren's return.
It's the latest step in a mating ritual that is becoming as awkward as a junior-high dance. There's Holmgren on one side of the room, trying to catch the Seahawks' eye when the latest slow number comes on. Meanwhile, the franchise is playing it cool, keeping its options open and talking about going through a process to select its next dance partner after Tim Ruskell stepped down as president this month.
Now that Holmgren is talking to Cleveland, the music has started to speed up.
Holmgren is ready to be courted. That is clear. How long he's willing to wait for a franchise that employed him for 10 years to evaluate his candidacy isn't. Visiting the Browns is one way to show he has his own timetable, too.
That ticking sound you hear in the background is a clock, and it's only going to get louder over the next month or so.
It's not a surprise Holmgren has options. He's one of five men ever to coach two teams to a Super Bowl. The Browns and Seahawks are currently the only teams with prominent front-office vacancies, but there will soon be others. The Cowboys are showing signs of another December belly-flop that might result in an overhaul, and Washington appears poised to make changes, too.
The Seahawks are going to have choices as well. They've contracted a New York search firm — Spencer Stuart — to help identify candidates, and the franchise is currently in the midst of an internal audit of everything from the personnel on hand to the front-office decisions made during Ruskell's five-year tenure as president.
Holmgren has made it clear he's open to a return to the Seahawks. He might even be hoping for it. How long is he willing to wait? No one's sure. How long must he wait before Seattle decides if it wants him? The team hasn't given any timetable for a decision.
Cleveland's interest in Holmgren isn't new. That has been percolating for more than a month.
But now, they're canoodling in public. A Browns spokesman confirmed Tuesday that Holmgren was in town along with his agent, Bob Lamonte. ESPN reporter Adam Schefter said he even knew what restaurant Holmgren dined at Monday night — Fahrenheit in Tremont.
Seattle CEO Tod Leiweke took a pass two weeks ago when asked about the possibility Holmgren could return to the franchise he coached for 10 years.
"You know, I'm not going to go there," Leiweke said during the news conference that followed Ruskell's resignation.
Will the sight of Holmgren sizing up another partner hurry the Seahawks to the dance floor or will it inspire resentment that the franchise's decision is being rushed?
That question will soon be answered because the awkward slow dance between the future Hall of Fame coach and his former franchise is beginning to speed up.
This team will need a MIRACLE to get Mike Holmgren.
Don't get your hopes up Browns fans...less than 10% chance he comes here
Its not about money
Holmgren WANTS to work in Seattle..and will probably do so for less money then Randy would offer him.
He owns a house there, and his family lives there....If Seattle offers him a job, Holmgren is as good a Seahawk even if the money is less than Randy offered.
nothing short of a miracle will bring Holmgren to the Browns.
We have the WORST luck of any franchise in the history of the NFL....I just don't see the football bouncing our way this time.
I figure we will have a better shot at a guy like Heckert from the Eagles when the Eagles are done with the playoffs....Holmgren is a pipe dream until he signs on that dotted line, and I seriously doubt if he does..Holmgren will most likely end up in Seattle...
Quote: He owns a house there, and his family lives there....If Seattle offers him a job, Holmgren is as good a Seahawk even if the money is less than Randy offered.
He also just built a house in Santa Cruz and owns one in Phoenix.....
Quote: This team will need a MIRACLE to get Mike Holmgren.
Don't get your hopes up Browns fans...less than 10% chance he comes here
Its not about money
Holmgren WANTS to work in Seattle..and will probably do so for less money then Randy would offer him.
He owns a house there, and his family lives there....If Seattle offers him a job, Holmgren is as good a Seahawk even if the money is less than Randy offered.
nothing short of a miracle will bring Holmgren to the Browns.
We have the WORST luck of any franchise in the history of the NFL....I just don't see the football bouncing our way this time.
I figure we will have a better shot at a guy like Heckert from the Eagles when the Eagles are done with the playoffs....Holmgren is a pipe dream until he signs on that dotted line, and I seriously doubt if he does..Holmgren will most likely end up in Seattle...
How's your boy Paul Allen's decision to hire Tim Ruskell going?
"I never thought [firing a coach after one year] was fair, as a coach," Holmgren said. "As a management person, you might have to make . . . a very difficult decision that way, if in your opinion you think it's absolutely going in the wrong direction. But those situations are really few and far between."
Of course that statement could apply to both Seattle as well as Cleveland
I'm at the stay back and wait mode...I'll be happy whatever happens. Regardless of my opinion. Worst case scenario is we move back one year in our progress.
Although I wish there is a way Mangini can stay...continue the team process and leave the rest to a strong FO!!
JMHO
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Quote: He owns a house there, and his family lives there
With the money he'll make he can buy a house in Cleveland, and his family can live there too! If this organization offers him carte blanche over the entire football operation and money galore, it's not as far fetched as you think that he'd relocate self and family here for it.
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do. -Derek Jeter
Quote: He owns a house there, and his family lives there
With the money he'll make he can buy a house in Cleveland, and his family can live there too! If this organization offers him carte blanche over the entire football operation and money galore, it's not as far fetched as you think that he'd relocate self and family here for it.
Agreed, and this Lieweke CEO guy does not sound to thrilled that he may be a lesser figure than Holmgren. Titles be darned, Holmgren trumps a CEO when it's football related. Power is king, money is king and a flight home to the WC every so often don't mean alot to these guys.
Quote: Thanks for posting that......nice to get some real info injected back into the thread as opposed to the garbage that is making the thread so lengthy.
What makes that reporters take any more or less legit than Grossis or Pluto or the reports coming out of ESPN or Fox Sports..
Why is this considered real info and the other stuff garbage in your eyes? I"m confused...
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OK,, I called the NFL Offices to find out if there was anywhere I could look to get the REAL info on the Rooney Rule... I spoke to a young man named John who was kind enough to email me these press releases....enjoy
This is straight from the horses mouth..
The following is the press releases dating back to the beginning of the whole Rooney Rules beginning.... Starting with the latest one which is the one that should interest the Browns fans most.
The part that is bolded indicates that the Browns would INDEED need to interview a minority candidate... I guess the article I posted yesterday wasn't giving accurate info... I stand corrected.
Quote: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
6/15/09
MANDATORY INTERVIEW REQUIREMENT
EXTENDED TO SENIOR CLUB FOOTBALL POSITION
Commissioner ROGER GOODELL informed NFL clubs today that the mandatory interview requirements currently in place for the head coach position have been extended to the senior football operations position at each club, the NFL announced today.
This policy specifically requires clubs to interview at least one minority candidate as part of the hiring process for a club's senior football operations position, whether described as general manager, executive vice president of football operations, or otherwise.
Pittsburgh Steelers Chairman DAN ROONEY, who is chairman of the league's Workplace Diversity Committee, recommended the extension of the rule on behalf of the committee. The recommendation received strong endorsement from clubs during discussion at the league's spring meeting in Fort Lauderdale in May.
"The discussion at the league meeting identified the strong reasons for taking this step, which in large part simply confirms a recommended practice that clubs have voluntarily embraced," Commissioner Goodell said. "The recommendation also recognizes that this process has worked well in the context of head coaches, and that clubs have deservedly received considerable positive recognition for their efforts in this respect."
There are currently five African-American senior club football operations executives – ROD GRAVES (Arizona), MARTIN MAYHEW (Detroit), OZZIE NEWSOME (Baltimore), JERRY REESE (New York Giants) and RICK SMITH (Houston). Newsome and Smith are members of the league’s Competition Committee. The league’s senior football executive, NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations RAY ANDERSON, is African-American.
The requirement will not apply in cases where the position is held or filled by the owner or a member of his family, or where a club has a pre-existing contractual commitment filed with the league office to promote a current member of its staff if the senior football operations position becomes vacant.
Although it is not required, Commissioner Goodell strongly urged clubs in today’s memo to interview a broad and diverse slate of candidates for a wide range of football operations roles, including scouting, player personnel, and contract and cap management positions. "The more thorough the search, the more likely clubs are to find the right candidates, and to be able to groom future leaders from within their organizations," the commissioner said.
The members of the NFL Workplace Diversity Committee are Dan Rooney (Pittsburgh), KATIE BLACKBURN (Cincinnati), ARTHUR BLANK (Atlanta), JAVIER LOYA (Houston), and JOHN MARA (New York Giants).
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NFL-165 12/9/03
NFL ISSUES GUIDELINES FOR INTERVIEWING OF HEAD COACHING CANDIDATES
To assist clubs in implementing the NFL policy on equal employment and diversity, the NFL Committee on Workplace Diversity has issued a set of interviewing guidelines for any club hiring a head coach.
The Committee last December recommended that “all NFL clubs hiring head coaches interview, as one element of the hiring process, one or more minority applicants for that position.” In subsequent conference calls last December with owners and senior club executives, and at the NFL Meeting last March, the committee reviewed that policy, and it received broad acceptance from the member clubs.
The only exception to this requirement is where a team has a pre-existing contractual commitment with a member of its coaching staff to make him the head coach and this agreement was on file with the league at the time it was entered into.
The committee’s interviewing guidelines are as follows:
“First, prior to beginning the interview process, a club should prepare a job description that clearly and fully defines the role of its head coach and the qualities it is looking for in its head coach. Such basic questions as the extent of authority, reporting relationships to the owner and other club executives, responsibility for player personnel and salary cap management, and supervisory duties relating to other club staff need to and should be addressed before interviews begin. As the interviewing process proceeds, it may be appropriate to modify the job description.
“Second, prior to beginning the interview process, clubs should prepare a ‘search timeline’ that sets forth key decisions and dates leading up to the hiring of a head coach. The key decisions include the assembling of the applicant pool, the review of resumes/references/videotape interviews, the ‘winnowing’ to a final slate of candidates to be interviewed, and the target date for completing the search. This timeline should be prepared with reference to key NFL (and college football) dates, such as the regular season and playoff schedule, and the application of the anti-tampering rules.
“Third, as part of the search process, clubs should make certain that they identify a deep and diverse – by many different criteria -- pool of head coaching candidates. As part of this effort, clubs should be sure that they are knowledgeable about potential minority candidates for the head coaching vacancy both within and outside their own organization. The League Office can provide this information, and consideration should normally be given at the outset to using the League as a resource for helping to identify qualified minority and nonminority candidates.
“Fourth, the Committee strongly believes that direct involvement in the interviewing and selection process by a club’s principal owner is very important. To supplement the efforts of senior club executives, we strongly urge owners to personally contact candidates and extend invitations to interview for a club’s head coaching position. (While many candidates will be represented by agents, extending an invitation – as opposed to negotiating substantive employment terms – need not be done through an agent.) Owner involvement will motivate candidates to accept invitations to interview, because where owners personally extend invitations, the likelihood that candidates will perceive themselves as having a serious opportunity for a job will be enhanced, and the prospect that candidates will decline an invitation to interview will correspondingly decline.
“Fifth, requests for permission to interview must be made and documented in accordance with the Anti-Tampering Policy.
“Sixth, invitations to interview – whether accepted or declined – should be documented directly by the club in a letter to the candidate.
“Seventh, telephone interviews are never preferable and seldom adequate. Instead, interviews should be conducted in person, and it is the Committee’s expectation that those in-person interviews will include at least one minority applicant.
“Eighth, it is not necessary that the same person interview each applicant. For many reasons, different persons may conduct interviews in at least some cases. Nonetheless, insofar as possible, the same person or persons should interview all of the finalists, and an interview with the club’s principal owner is preferred in all cases.
“Ninth, candidates who are invited to interview for open positions should do so. Any widespread refusal to interview or an effort to discourage or put unreasonable conditions on interviews should promptly be brought to the attention of the Commissioner or his senior staff. Clubs should not accept a refusal to interview that is conveyed by an agent, but should obtain direct confirmation from the coach that he has decided to decline the invitation to interview.
“Finally, for a range of reasons, we strongly question the value of head coaching changes during the season. However, if a coaching change is made during the season, the club may name an interim coach from its existing coaching staff for the remainder of the season without going through a formal interviewing process. However, the club must follow the mandatory interviewing process in choosing a new permanent head coach, unless the club had concluded a prior contractual agreement with a member of its coaching staff to become the club’s head coach and this contractual agreement had been filed with the League Office at the time it was signed.
The Committee on Workplace Diversity is comprised of six representatives of NFL ownership -- Chairman Dan Rooney of Pittsburgh, Arthur Blank of Atlanta, Pat Bowlen of Denver, Stan Kroenke of St. Louis, Javier Loya of Houston, and Jeffrey Lurie of Philadelphia.
NFL clubs have access to an electronic database of profiles of every NFL coach and access to a library of videotape interviews of high-potential NFL assistant coaches. The NFL also issued to clubs the following timetable setting out key dates to assist clubs in planning their hiring process:
2003
December 28 Regular Season Ends
Coaches whose season has ended are free to discuss employment if contract expiring.
Playoff coaches with 1st round byes may interview through January 2
2004
January 3-4 Wild Card Games
Playoff coaches who won a Wild Card game may interview through January 9
January 10-11 Divisional Playoffs
No further interviews for playoff coaches while their team is still participating
January 18 Conference Championships
February 1 Super Bowl
February 8 Pro Bowl
February 18-24 Combine
March 1 Clubs may deny permission to interview
March 3 New League Year begins
Free Agency period begins
Commissioner Tagliabue has informed the clubs that “conduct inconsistent with procedural or substantive initiatives relating to equal employment opportunity may be treated as conduct detrimental” under the NFL Constitution and Bylaws and subject to discipline by the Commissioner. “Such conduct will subject the violating club and responsible executives to appropriate discipline,” he added. “Prior to any such finding being made or any discipline imposed, reasonable notice and an opportunity for the affected club or executive to have a hearing will be afforded.”
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FOR USE AS DESIRED NFL-173 12/20/02
NFL CLUBS TO IMPLEMENT COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM TO PROMOTE DIVERSITY IN HIRING
NFL clubs will implement a comprehensive program to promote diversity in their coaching and front office ranks based upon recommendations of the NFL Committee on Workplace Diversity, the NFL announced today.
The Committee, appointed by NFL Commissioner Tagliabue on October 31, reviewed its recommendations in a series of conference calls with owners on December 19 and 20.
The Committee’s recommendations include:
▪ Early interview opportunities for playoff coaches ▪ A commitment to interview minority head coaching candidates ▪ Establishment of a coordinator/assistant head coach career data bank ▪ Expanded training and development programs ▪ Expanded internships
Earlier this week, the Committee recommended that the League’s Anti-Tampering Policy be modified to permit assistant coaches on playoff teams to be interviewed for head coaching opportunities before their teams are eliminated from the playoffs. That recommendation, endorsed by the League’s Competition Committee, has been approved.
The NFL Committee on Workplace Diversity is chaired by Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney and includes four other NFL owners – Arthur Blank of the Atlanta Falcons, Pat Bowlen of the Denver Broncos, Stan Kroenke of the St. Louis Rams, and Jeff Lurie of the Philadelphia Eagles. The committee is supported by a working group of club football executives comprised of Atlanta’s Ray Anderson, the New York Jets’ Terry Bradway, Tampa Bay’s Rich McKay, Baltimore’s Ozzie Newsome, and Indianapolis’ Bill Polian.
On the December 19-20 conference calls, the owners strongly agreed on the principle that any club seeking to hire a head coach will interview one or more minority applicants for the position. The one exception occurs when a club has made a prior contractual commitment to promote a member of its own staff and no additional interviewing takes place (e.g. Mike Martz and the St. Louis Rams in 2000).
The amendment to the Anti-Tampering Policy will apply in the upcoming playoffs. It permits a club with an open head coaching position to request permission to conduct one interview with an assistant coach employed by a playoff team when that club has a playoff bye or has a Wild Card playoff game. All such interviews would have to occur at a time and place convenient to the current employer and would have to be completed prior to the start of the Divisional Playoffs.
This change in the interview process has the potential to expand opportunities for top NFL assistants, including minorities, on playoff teams to obtain head coaching positions.
The Diversity Committee and its working group also compiled a detailed career information book on a large number of prospective head coaching candidates, i.e. all current coordinators and assistant head coaches plus their key references. This information will supplement the program of videotape interviews of high potential assistant coaches that was initiated five years ago to support the head coach hiring process.
In the area of training and development, the committee will launch a pilot program in 2003 for coaches with a leading business school in conjunction with the NFL coaching symposium held each May at the league’s spring owners meeting. The program will focus on coaching preparation. The committee then will consider expanding the program to other locations and including front office careers as well as coaching.
On a longer-term basis, the committee emphasized the importance of more effectively addressing career development and diversity in all front office positions, both in football and business operations. The membership will evaluate an expanded program of training and development for club employees to assist in identifying and developing front office personnel and coaches with high potential. These employees would be given the opportunity for advanced, specialized training in a wide range of areas.
The membership also expressed strong support for an expanded program of internships at both the coaching and front office levels, as well as NFL Europe, as a way of enhancing opportunities for women and minorities interested in a career in football.
“Our initial focus has been on the head coaching position,” the committee said in its memo to club owners. “We have had numerous meetings and held discussions with a wide range of people, including club owners and executives, current and former players and coaches, and knowledgeable people outside the NFL. Overall our goal has been to assist clubs in approaching the hiring process in ways that will lead to better decisions and enhance opportunities for well-qualified coaches.”
The committee and working group will continue to meet over the next several months and will report to all clubs at the NFL Annual Meeting March 23-27 in Phoenix.
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Quote: Thanks for posting that......nice to get some real info injected back into the thread as opposed to the garbage that is making the thread so lengthy.
What makes that reporters take any more or less legit than Grossis or Pluto or the reports coming out of ESPN or Fox Sports..
Why is this considered real info and the other stuff garbage in your eyes? I"m confused...
Apparently discussion from multiple sources of media is frowned upon on this board.
Quote: He owns a house there, and his family lives there
With the money he'll make he can buy a house in Cleveland, and his family can live there too! If this organization offers him carte blanche over the entire football operation and money galore, it's not as far fetched as you think that he'd relocate self and family here for it.
maybe..however he has said he wants a deal in place before Christmas..9 days from now...
Holmgren leaving here without a contract doesn't bode well for our chances...
I just don't want to see everyone get their hopes up, and be crushed...
as for buying a house in Cleveland? are you nuts!...have you ever seen the qiality of living in Seattle/The West Coast in general? much better standards of living, better houses, better weather, nice suburbs...
Moving from Seattle to Cleveland would be like downgrading your beach front condo in North Carolina for an apartment in the Bronx....
I am just saying...I have a feeling many people are going to get let down...
when I heard Holmgren left without a contract, I figured I stick a fork in him...I figure Randy botched this deal just like he did Scott Pioli..,.
Knight, I understand what you're saying. I just don't see the house thing as that big of a deal if this is the situation he wants and Seattle won't give it to him.
Quote: figure Randy botched this deal just like he did Scott Pioli..,.
So if we don't get Holmgren, it's all Randy's fault. Give me a break. That's quite an assumption. You just listed all the reasons why Holmgren wouldn't leave Seattle, then you're going to blame Randy? That doesn't wash.
If he doesn't come here, it may be Randy's fault, but it looks as though Randy's doing the right things - dinner, 2 days of meetings, touring the facilities, meeting with the head coach.
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do. -Derek Jeter
Quote: Apparently discussion from multiple sources of media is frowned upon on this board.
No,, I just want to know what makes that reporter more credible than other reports saying different stuff... Unless you know the answer, I can't understand why you would even respond...
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Quote: I think this is the first article that mentions MH has left without an agreement.
Grossis article says "apparently" left without a deal.... But that is an assumption..
The article you post seems more definite he left without a contract based on this comment:
Quote: Holmgren came to town at owner Randy Lerner's invitation. He left without an agreement to take over the Browns, who have had just two winning seasons since 1999.
Again, I'm not sure how they know that? Grossi, the king of overstepping, even used "apparently" in his article
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Quote: Like I said yesterday: I don't care if Mike left, I just want to know that his agent didn't
That's what I would imagine also..........
Contracts can sometimes come down to the P's and Q's and expenses of lawyer junk. Whether or not Holmgren is here means nothing, it's whether his agent is here negotiating which means something.
A guy might want to go home while his agent is busy negotiating his rights within the organization and getting the contract all settled (which could take awhile)
Did any of you read through that entire thing... Man,, that's really something.. I don't have a problem with the requirement to interview a minority candidate for coaching.. If you look around, there are quite a few that are legit candidates.. Plenty of them in fact.
But when it comes to the Top Football Guy in an orgainzation,.. Ozzie Newsome is the only one that comes to mind... and he's already got the job.. I honestly can't think of another minority candidate with the credentials.. Not saying there aren't any.. I just can't think of one...
Does this seem a bit like reaching to anyone else besides me?
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Quote: Like I said yesterday: I don't care if Mike left, I just want to know that his agent didn't
That's what I would imagine also..........
Contracts can sometimes come down to the P's and Q's and expenses of lawyer junk. Whether or not Holmgren is here means nothing, it's whether his agent is here negotiating which means something.
A guy might want to go home while his agent is busy negotiating his rights within the organization and getting the contract all settled (which could take awhile)
Exactly what I was thinking.
Also, quite a few thought he'd prefer Seattle because his family is there. That line of thinking would lead me to believe he might return to talk things over w/ his wife before taking a job in Cleveland.
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