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While I agree with your thinking, I do remember much the same words being said many times over when Savage was brought on board.
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I agree.....but again..just saying 
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So, what happened to Heckert not wanting to come here because of Mangini? I guess that's another myth debunked if he actually comes on board...
daman...maybe not..debunked..
...if Heckert gets the job...
With Holmgren in charge, Mangini's power has been trimmed considerably.
I do believe Mangini had a history, while with the Jets, of having a lot of control, that usually falls to the GM. Last year, it was logical for Heckert to believe Mangini would have similar type of control as the Browns HC, thus Heckert likely saw a potential conflict between he and Mangini, if Heckert had accepted the Browns GM position.
This time around, it's an entirely different situation and obviously, Heckert feels more comfortable about taking the job with Holmgren running the show. What a difference a year makes...
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Ahh, you guys took my comment too literally,, All I wanted to point out was that some media type last year said that heckert didn't want to come here because of Mangini, it got picked up and repeated over and over again.. For all we know, Heckert doesn't care one bit about Mangini being here... Truth is, he may never have cared... If you go back 3 days, according to various reports, it was damn near a sure thing that we were going to make a deal for Fox.. yet, upon further examination, the only tie between Fox and Holmgren is that they share an agent... I've noticed that there was a big push by various media types to float all kinda guys coming here because of the agent connection.. I don't know who represents heckert, and it doesn't matter, he's a solid candidate.. maybe the best one for us at this time.. so to me, his agent is the least important factor. The point is, the media creates preception in order to get listeners/readers/watchers..... if there isn't a buzz, you gotta create one.. that's what they do by floating these ideas out there.. Adam Schefter said on Thursday that he's been told that mangini was gone, an hour later, he reported that Mangini was staying.. no buzz,, no problem., just create some 
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Howdy Peen. True but Savage was one addition. He was not surrounded by a good group of FO help. MH is putting proven solid football minds in this organization for the first time since rebirth. HIm and Heckert is light years better that anything we have seen.  Gotta be excited!!!! 
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This time around, it's an entirely different situation and obviously, Heckert feels more comfortable about taking the job with Holmgren running the show. What a difference a year makes...
Gotta agree with that 100%
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I don't get all that excited anymore.
I am hopeful and fairly confident we might get it done this time.
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Gotta be excited!!!!
I don't get all that excited anymore.
I am hopeful and fairly confident we might get it done this time.
LOL. I'm in the same boat. I can only hope but it sure as hell looks good.
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What if I handed you a case of Dortmunder..... 
I`ve wondered if MH did`nt tell Heckert...." Don`t worry Tom..I`m planning on coaching after next season " 
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True but Savage was one addition. He was not surrounded by a good group of FO help.
MH is putting proven solid football minds in this organization for the first time since rebirth. HIm and Heckert is light years better that anything we have seen.
Gotta be excited!!!!
Savage was a control freak who didn't know how to set up a true front office on his own.
It really seems like now there are some true checks and balances, IF Holmgren really means what he says about coming to a consensus decision on personnel.
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This is flippen OUT STAND ING...
We're on our way peeps... 
With the turnover within the Seahawks organization, we might end up with both Lewis and Heckert. That would an outstanding move as the Browns upgrade the quality of front office personnel with experienced people that Holmgren is familiar with.
Cleveland Browns interview Will Lewis for GM job
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January 09, 2010, 9:14AM
Browns President Mike Holmgren interviewed Seattle Director of Pro Personnel Will Lewis for the Browns' general manager job Friday and said through team spokesman Neal Gulkis "it went very well."
Gulkis said he doesn't anticipate an announcement of a GM hiring to be made over the weekend.
The Browns interviewed Eagles GM Tom Heckert for the job on Wednesday, and profootballtalk.com reported Friday that Heckert is set to join the Browns. Gulkis could not confirm or deny that.
It's conceivable both men could be hired in some capacity. The Seahawks, who fired coach Jim Mora on Friday after one season and a 5-11 record, are apparently cleaning house.
Lewis, 51, worked with Holmgren for 13 years, including three in Green Bay and 10 in Seattle. In Green Bay, he began as a scout and moved up to assistant director of pro personnel after one season.
He joined Holmgren in Seattle as director of pro personnel in 1999, when Holmgren took over as both coach and GM.
Heckert canceled his interview for the Seahawks' GM job after interviewing with the Browns.
Heckert has never worked with Holmgren, but was highly recommended by Holmgren's good friend, Eagles coach Andy Reid. The Eagles play the Cowboys tonight in an NFC wild-card game.
Reid told the Philadelphia Inquirer earlier this season that Heckert, who does not have final say over the Eagles' roster, needed and deserved a chance to be a GM in another city. A source also told the paper that Heckert will not take the Browns job unless he has final say.
Heckert took himself out of the running for the Browns' GM job last season shortly after they hired coach Eric Mangini, reportedly because Heckert wanted to have a say in hiring the head coach.
Before breaking in with the Packers as a scout, Lewis was a defensive assistant for the Falcons in 1995 and '96. The Seahawks signed Lewis as an undrafted free agent cornerback in 1980 out of Millersville (Pa.) State (now Millersville University). He played in 26 NFL games mostly as a returner.
Lewis also played for the USFL's Houston Gamblers from 1983 to 1985, and in the Canadian Football League from 1986 to 1989. Lewis also coached defensive backs in NFL Europe and for four years at various colleges.
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I'd be absolutely ecstatic if it does happen. Heckert has done a great job in Philly.
Question, what has he done in Philly? Seriously, not trying to be negative here. Reid has (and has always had) final say on roster. Reid supposedly was personally working the phones in last years draft. And that Roseman guy supposedly rose through the ranks and sort of usurped a lot of his duties. And the owner is practically pimping the guy out, actually recommending him for the Falcons GM gig last year. What gives? If he's so coveted and such a great GM candidate why are the Eagles so fond to see him go?
No one can seem to point to anything that he's actually done. I don't think you can look at the Eagles drafts and quantify his input. It would seem he didn't have a ton to do with FA acquisition either. At least it was by committee as much as the draft process was. Am I missing something?
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I'm assuming this is possible because Carroll will be bringing in his own guys to Seattle.
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AS per espn.com ESPN STORY The Cleveland Browns are expected to announce as early as Monday that they have hired Philadelphia's Tom Heckert as their new general manager, league sources tell ESPN. AFC North blog Walker ESPN.com's James Walker writes about all things AFC North in his division blog. • Blog network: NFL Nation Heckert, whose father, Tom, worked as a scout for the Browns in the 1980s, could be hired once the Eagles complete their season. They play the Dallas Cowboys in the NFC playoffs Saturday night. Heckert reportedly was going to interview for Seattle's GM job this week but backed out. New Browns president Mike Holmgren interviewed Heckert, who has been a GM since January 2006 with the Eagles, on Wednesday. Holmgren met with Seattle pro personnel director Will Lewis on Friday, but sources say the GM job is Heckert's. NFL Network reported Friday night that Heckert likely would be announced as the Browns' new GM on Monday. It's possible both Lewis and Heckert could wind up in Cleveland's front office. During his introductory news conference, Holmgren hinted that Cleveland's hierarchy could be revamped. "We talked about change and some of that is just restructuring," he said. "Sometimes you have five people changing the light bulb. We're going to look at everything and try and streamline things, get good people to do it and work hard." Adam Schefter is ESPN's NFL Insider. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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Love this move if its true.....I live in Philly and have admired the Eagles front office moves for sometime....The team that him and Andy have built is consistently competitive....
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This is the guy I wanted last year and in '05 (although Savage and Pioli were about even with him).
The FO appears strong.
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this is awesome.
11 draft picks with holmgren and heckert as your guys to make those picks.
i think i got pretty much what I wanted as a browns fan, a true president, an experienced gm, and eric mangini just coaching the team.
i think we are in tremendous shape.
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I don't want to connect the dots just because they can be connected, but bringing Heckert on board, I wonder if trading for Kolb becomes a more viable option?
Heckert should know Kolb's value, skill set and what the Eagles FO would be willing to take in a trade.
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I dunno if we'll trade for Kolb.........
But I did think we would get Heckert, I also thought that Mornhinweig or whatever would come along too though............
Overall, great news. With Holmgren as the President, it is clear who is the leader of this organization. He is also strong enough to make it clear to everyone that he is above Mangini.
Now we have an experienced GM coming in to take begin preparing for the draft and FA. He will also be able to evaluate our team and decide where we are at on a personal standpoint as well.
This is a very good thing. I just hope all these big names can work together.........
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Love me some future great drafts. Love this move. Keeping Mangini for continuity, bringing in a REAL GM to build talent through the draft. Could it be? Do they finally get it?
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I'd say a trade for Kolb/McNabb would be more likely after next season. One more year with Brady Quinn under Mangini's system, if that doesn't work out then in comes Gruden/Mornhinwheg/Holmgren or whoever. With them will come a new quarterback.
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Remember that Heckett (Reid?) and Philly are known for being deal makers during the draft. They've traded countless times up/down the draft and it will be curious to see him, Holmgren, and Mangini in the draft room. I do think trading down and acquiring extra picks is the right thing to do and while Mangini did it, the results of what we picked up were somewhat mediocre.
Trading partners come April could be San Fran (for one of their firsts, plus a 3rd/4th or future 2nd), Oakland (who the hell knows what they'll do), Denver (to jump ahead of Oakland, J-ville, or Buffalo if there is a QB/OT they target)
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I agree. Trading down is always the way to go if you are drafting in the top 10. At least until there is a rookie pay scale.
Trading down and accruing more picks while still getting a player like Taylor Mays, Aaron Hernandez, Jermaine Greshem, or Rolando McClain is an excellent option, and something I hope we do.
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the results of what we picked up were somewhat mediocre.
Results have yet to be determined. Mack, the big trade down pick is as advertised and working out well. Mass & Robo, both show promise, admittedly, Mass a little sooner than expected and Robo taking longer than expected, but showed solid progress. Veikune & Maiava both played more as the season went on. The rest? 6th round picks so... IMO
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I wanted Heckert in here last year and we didn't get him because of EM..
Well after thinking on it..it seems reasonable that we will see some variance of the WCO..simliar to what Seattle/Philly/GB uses..and EM will..I said will run it..they will adapt the system to accomidate the type of personnel to run..we have some parts already..need a QB and some athletic linemen on the right side and a YAC wideout..and another bigger back to go with Harrison/Davis..
I have a strong feeling Gini didn't put up any resistance to running it if he was questioned about the type of offense to execute..since they never had a identity anyway.
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I wanted Heckert in here last year and we didn't get him because of EM..
EM is still here and it looks like Heckert is coming,,, so maybe the reported problem between them was nothing more than media created?
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DV wasn't even active for 5 out of 6 games before being put on IR, how is that playing more as the season went along?
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I wanted Heckert in here last year and we didn't get him because of EM..
EM is still here and it looks like Heckert is coming,,, so maybe the reported problem between them was nothing more than media created?
I won't go that far.
It's more that Heckert doesn't have to answer to the head coach.
you had a good run Hank.
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I swear I saw him playing against Jacksonville. Maybe I'm thinking of Maiava. Sorry my bad. In any case, the jury is still out on the draft class.
Side note, hoping Coye can step up and do something this year.
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What happened to Francies? I thought he played well in preseason and he got some playing time in the first few games and then he vanished.
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The Cleveland Browns are expected to announce as early as Monday that they have hired Philadelphia's Tom Heckert as their general manager, league sources tell ESPN. Heckert, whose father, Tom, worked as a scout for the Browns in the 1980s, could be hired once the Eagles complete their season. They play the Dallas Cowboys in the NFC playoffs Saturday night. Heckert reportedly was going to interview for Seattle's GM job this week but backed out. Browns president Mike Holmgren interviewed Heckert, who has been a GM since January 2006 with the Eagles, on Wednesday. Holmgren met with Seattle pro personnel director Will Lewis on Friday, but sources say the GM job is Heckert's. NFL Network reported Friday night that Heckert likely would be announced as the Browns GM on Monday. It's possible both Lewis and Heckert could wind up in Cleveland's front office. During his introductory news conference, Holmgren hinted that Cleveland's hierarchy could be revamped. "We talked about change and some of that is just restructuring," he said. "Sometimes you have five people changing the light bulb. We're going to look at everything and try and streamline things, get good people to do it and work hard." http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4811143
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I just hope that whoever we get wins us a Super Bowl or 10 ...... Yeah ... I'm greedy ... but if any fanbase deserves an unreasonable amount of success ... it's us ....
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Finally! Sweet release! It happened...
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Great News!
Hopefully the Holmgren, Heckert, and Mangini team will remain intact for the next decade.
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Question, what has he done in Philly? Anybody?
Nobody can really tell from outside-BUT it's enough that Holmgren wants him for me. He knows his football, so he knows who will produce.
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Nobody can really tell from outside-BUT it's enough that Holmgren wants him for me. He knows his football, so he knows who will produce.
I would like to know his thoughts on the decisions (which he must have agreed to in Philly) to bring in players like Terrell Owens and Vick... players with negative reps that could be potential distractions. Not sure how Mangini would feel about acquisitions such as those. I personally do NOT like them... Owens may have helped them reach the SB, but eventually did become a distraction to the team.
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legitimate concerns, Ytse.
I have to think that there is a power base being installed that will bring in the "checks & blances" that this team has lacked since The Return.
Many good minds, working toward the same goals, will negate (or minimize) the random bad choices of the individual.
It seems (at this early date) that Holmgren is setting up a hierarchy that can work in synergy for some time to come. If it does, little problems that come with the individuals on-board will be toned down by the consensus of The Whole.
It's how good organizations work... despite the profession in question.
My take- we are putting togehter a FO that's (potentially) better than anything we've seen in decades around here. It won't necessarily translate into immediate wins, but it could rebuild the Browns to become perennial players on the Big Stage for many years to come.
Checks & balances... something we've needed for a long time.
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Well after thinking on it..it seems reasonable that we will see some variance of the WCO..simliar to what Seattle/Philly/GB uses..and EM will..I said will run it..they will adapt the system to accomidate the type of personnel to run..we have some parts already..need a QB
I don't think we're gonna see any WCO in Cleveland right now...
Exactly who's gonna call it???...Mangini don't know squat about it and I'd bet even more that Dingball don't either...
I also don't think we're gonna be looking at ANY QB...Anderson will be released and Quinn takes the reigns from day one...That's a guess but when u look at this team from 09 and see exactly what Quinn had...U can't help but think HE NEEDS MAJOR HELP ALL OVER...
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That's EVERYTHING...It's like he took over an Expansion Team in 09...And I believe that will dictate we do not give up on him yet...And if we do...CLAUSEN's the man...I see Clausen being a GREAT QB in the NFL...
BTW...GO Dallas...Heckert's here TOMORROW!!!!
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