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Heckert is a client of LaMonte.
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"Heckert is a client of LaMonte."
DOH! 
 ok does Lamont like have a monopoly on FO people???
Heckert at least seems logical...very experienced and has ties with Holmgren through Reid.
But when they state there is no connection with Holmgren in thought, philosophy just agent...it just irks me...man I wished Heckert wasn't a client...lol 
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"Heckert is a client of LaMonte."
DOH!
ok does Lamont like have a monopoly on FO people???
Heckert at least seems logical...very experienced and has ties with Holmgren through Reid.
But when they state there is no connection with Holmgren in thought, philosophy just agent...it just irks me...man I wished Heckert wasn't a client...lol
There is a reason they call LaMonte the super agent for coaches. The guy has nearly every notable client in the NFL.
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CHILDRESS, Brad - Head Coach, Minnesota Vikings
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MCDANIELS, Josh - Head Coach, Denver Broncos
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HOLMGREN, Mike - President, Cleveland Browns
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KOONCE, George - Athletic Director, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
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Completely agree Eo ... this is garbage journalism at it's finest.  "There is increasing speculation" ... Translation: "I've got nothing good to write about today, so if I think about this more than I did yesterday, there is now increasing speculation that John Fox is being considered a candidate based on nothing more than him having the same agent as Holmgren."  I'm surprised he didn't have his friend call him or something so he could toss "an unnamed source" into the article.
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I choose to have fun with the speculation rather than hammer the media for speculating.
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Well, if Lamont is an agent to all those guys having a connection like him could make getting one of his clients easier. But to say he is running the Browns is crazy talk.
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I choose to have fun with the speculation rather than hammer the media for speculating.
JMHO
That's because you are part of the media.
There's also a difference between speculating, and trying to pass something off as an actual article with legitimate factual content. When did the Plain Dealer become such a rag?
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newsflash....no SB talent will come here via FA...same with Coaches...we either get newbies (Butch, Romeo) or failed rejects (Mangini)....a successful reject, Fox, would be an upgrade...and probably as good as we could land in our situation
I don't know if you noticed this or not but MIKE HOLMGREN just walked in the door. I would say that is SB caliber. Why do you keep saying such stupid crap. The fact he is here blows up your whole theory.
1. You do realize that I talked about players and coaches? Oh and I'd love to here some "other stupid crap" I say...just a warning: don't engage in disputes you won't win...ask Gift Horse, lol
2. Also...Holmgren, while being a successful, winning NFL HC, IS new to this job...that's what he even acknowledged in his presser several times....he was fired as GM because he wasn't that good at it
3. Lerner wildly overpaid to get him here...we could land some FAs that way, like the Raiders or Redskins do, but it has proven to be a losers move
4. This thread is about HCs...and my point was: Fox is as good as we can do in our situation...and I'm no Fox fan...don't know enough about him either way.....but on paper he looks like "as good as it gets"...I'd certainly prefer him over Mornhinweg, Mariucci, Moss or retaining Mangini....and I can't see any better HC candidate come here with so little organizational power
Same goes for the GM position....Heckert would be a dream and as good as we can land imho....
That said: If Holmgren-Heckert-Fox becomes our trifecta I will probably become a Holmgren homer 
Think about the WINNING experience of this trifecta 
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It may not end up being Fox, but I've said it before.
Holmgren is going to put an all-star at every position.
This is his chance to shine and he's not going to take chances on unprovens.
He's going build this organization right, without limitations, and without chances on people he's not 100 % comfortable with and sure of.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/01/holmgren_era_day_two_cleveland.htmlHolmgren Era, Day 2: No announcements as Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini departs facility BEREA, Ohio -- News, notes, rumors and reports as new team president Mike Holmgren begins to build the Browns: -- Eric Mangini has left the building. After spending all day inside the Browns training facility and meeting with Holmgren, Mangini left hurriedly at about 5:35 p.m. and did not stop to answer questions. About 15 minutes before that, several of Mangini's assistant coaches were seen leaving the facility. Holmgren said on Tuesday that he would meet with Mangini at least once before making his decision. Holmgren also said he hoped to have the issue settled by the end of the week. A team source said the team would not comment on the situation until there was an announcement. If Mangini is not retained, Holmgren's coaching search will commence immediately. -- Fred Nance, recently hired as the Browns general counsel, arrived at the facility about 4 p.m. and was still there after Mangini left. -- The national "insiders" are split on the validity of the John Fox-to-Cleveland rumor. Here's what I know:
1. Fox is "very interested" in the possibility, according to a league source.
2. Panthers owner Jerry Richardson would be willing to arrive at a contract settlement to get out of the $6 million owed Fox for the 2010 season.
3. Richardson, seeing a potential owners' lockout in 2011, would not replace Fox with Bill Cowher, but might promote from within.
4. Behind the scenes, most if not all of Mike Holmgren's coaching and executive "ready lists" are made up of clients of agent Bob LaMonte. Fox is in that stable. -- Other LaMonte clients that could come into play include Leslie Frazier, defensive coordinator of Minnesota; Mike Sherman, Texas A&M head coach; Marty Mornhinweg, offensive coordinator of Philadelphia; and Mike Heimerdinger, offensive coordinator of Tennessee. -- On the GM front, a club source confirmed that Tom Heckert, general manager of Philadelphia, was interviewed by Holmgren today. Heckert, also in the LaMonte stable, is highly regarded in personnel circles. The Eagles, however, have been encouraging him to seek a team that would give him real GM powers. He doesn't have that in Philadelphia and never will. -- Other rumored GM candidates include LaMonte-clients Randy Mueller, a three-time GM now an assistant in San Diego; and Ted Sundquist, who's been out of the GM loop since leaving Denver two years ago. -- John Schneider, co-director of football operations with Green Bay, has strong ties to Holmgren, but is not a LaMonte client.
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"This thread is about HCs...and my point was: Fox is as good as we can do in our situation.."
You do realize Fox ain't available - he is under contract and only the media has him being fired...wait no they don't - they started to but he hasn't been fired so now its a CBA thing and he's not.
Actually the thread is about John Fox Possibly becoming the Browns HC - somebody who is:
a. Not available and could very well be remaining as the Panther's coach.
b. Has no affiliation with Holmgren nor Heckert if he becomes the GM
c. But has the same agent so he must be coming here.
And what this crap about about as good as we can here? Oh wait...I'm supposed to be afraid of you... "just a warning: don't engage in disputes you won't win...ask Gift Horse, lol"
ehhh Tough guy, yuk, yuk, yuk
But tell us how you can spit on Holmgren now Yeah you're right, Django is smarter than Holmgren too...what a bum.
Actually timothy's response was spot on...Holmgren is here, he does command respect, wait ya Mangini has yet to be fired and Heckert is interviewing for our vacant GM job...how can that be. I know Holmgren don't mean a thing in the NFL world.
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If, IF Mangini is fired, despite beating Pittsburgh and and the 4 game win streak, it's because the guy made the Browns into a dysfunctional franchise once again. Remember all those stories about the organization being fragmented into little power groups?
Why is it such a bad thing that Holmgren would get a guy that would, in his opinion, be no trouble at all in that department? Why is it such a bad thing that Holmgren wants this organization to become what he wants it to become rather than not blowing it up just because the fans don't want it?
Would you want a friend, client of your agent, and a yes man in the position, or a head coach that has his vision and will fight for it? Yes, if everyone is on the same page, good things might happen. As I recall, policy and clark were on the same page.
People can work together for the same goal even if they don't believe the in the same process to get to that goal. I would like there to be a balance between coach and GM, and that's what Holmgren's job should be. Holmgren might insist on a WCO, or something close to it. That's OK. I'd rather they create an offense that will get it's own name. The WCO is just a modified version of Paul Brown's offense. He might also insist on a 4-3 instead of a 3-4 defense. That's OK if we have the proper personell for it. We are currently closer to the 3-4 personell than the 4-3. Yes, we have 4-3 players, but changing a defense usually takes time. I liked what I saw at the end of the season, and I'd be loath to change it.
I want a coach that knows how to get the maximum effort out of his players and is able to game plan for any situation. I want a coach that has his team impose their will on our opponents, making them adjust to our offense and defense. I am tired of coaches that want to take what the other team gives them. Let them take what we give them, and don't give them anything.
I want a GM that will work with the coach to find the best players for that team. He'll make sure of the player's character and backrounds before they are even brought in for an interview. The players he finds will be able to share in the vision of the coach's winning philosophy. He will also sign players to fair but not ridiculous contracts. He will also always be on the lookout for a trade, forced retirement, or release of players that do not fit that philosophy or perform up to standards. There should never be untouchable players. I expect him to fight with the coach over certain players, as both coach and GM should have their views on what is best.
I expect Holmgren to be the deciding voice in any disputes over players, coaching philosophy, or process needed to build a winning team. He should be able to recognize his coach's strengths and weaknesses, and help the coach improve his game. He should recognize the GMs strengths and weaknesses, and help him improve his game. He should oversee both, and assure they are doing their job to the best of their abilities. He should also leave both GM and coach alone enough, so they can do their jobs without them looking over their shoulders. He should not hire "yes men", as they will only tell him what he wants to hear. This is how to build a winner.
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But tell us how you can spit on Holmgren now Yeah you're right, Django is smarter than Holmgren too...what a bum.
Aside from the fact that you bite on every post of mine like Pavlov's dog...this is over the top EO....in reaction and name calling...I got banned for 2 weeks for MUCH less
How in god's name did you find anything to criticize MY OPINION that Holmgren and Heckert and possibly Fox are the best case scenario...
Have you read until I wrote I might become a MH homer? I like the Holmgren hire, I like the Heckert and Fox rumblings...I just happen to think this is "as good as it gets" and it's no rip on those guys, who I labeled good (possible) hires with some reservations (nobody's perfect and it IS MH 1st time at thsi job after all)...and your reflex is that "Django is smarter than Holmgern"? WTF EO? Get off my back...seriously
I respect you enough as a poster and you obviously respect mine too (in a way )....there's absolutely no need and room to bore others with this pissing match....
We're both Browns nutjobs....you're on the optimists side and I'm the Negative Nancy...so what?
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Great, now rumor mill central is writing speculation articles that use Grossi as the source?
Is there no bottom?
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...this is over the top EO....in reaction and name calling...I got banned for 2 weeks for MUCH less
I think he was inferring that you considered MH a bum. That's how I read it anyway. :shrug:
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