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Hey, I agree. When I think of what held this team back this year... lack of a great TE isn't real high on the list.
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Read what I write. I said we have much bigger needs, but that doesn't mean we should ignore TE.
I read exactly what you wrote. You said do we rely on him without bringing anyone else in?
I answered yes. Unless the value of a TE in the draft is just unbelievable.
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There is this magical thing called free agency you know.
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There is this magical thing called free agency you know.
Have you seen the free agent TE list? There's about 2 that I'm even midly interested in.
And besides. We're in the draft forum, talking about the draft. And I want no part of a TE in the draft, unless the value is unreal.
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I think free agency will be extremely limited this off-season.
If we can get a guys like Anthony McCoy, Jimmy Graham, Colin Peek, Tony Moeaki, Dennis Pitta, or Ed Dickson later in the 3rd round or later I think it would be a great pick. Also, if guys like Jermaine Greshem, Aaron Hernandez, or Rob Gronkowski are available in the 2nd round I would give all of them serious consideration.
Tight end would be even more important if Manholmkert decides Quinn is going to be the quarterback. As we all know, he loves those short passes to the tight end. Although, Evan Moore did have some nice chemistry with Quinn in the few games they played together.
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I have seen, and ranked every available TE.
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I am more than ok with Moore, Gaines (needs to be resigned), Estandia, Heiden (if healthy) and Royal in some some combination. We don't need depth. If we draft a TE it should be a stud, otherwise why? And I think we have too many other holes that are bigger and more important. Get a steal take it otherwise go in a different direction.
Yea, I agree with that.
Royal has had some decent, not great, seasons.His signing looked like a solid choice at the time. Royal may actually rebound and make us cheer for him.  But he did stink this past year.
Heiden has also had some decent seasons.
Moore looks like he can get open and make tough catches.
All are solid blockers.
I would not feel we need a TE unless Heiden retires and maybe not even then. Let Gaines and Estandia fight it out.
1. Heiden
2. Moore
3. Royal
I would not be uncomfortable with this. I'm also ASSuming that both Heiden and Royal return to past form and Moore is the real deal.
At the upcoming owners meeting they will discuss expanding the roster, the practice squad and how many players dress on game day.Having a TE prospect stashed on the PS could be an answer. If a project is available late,why not?
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Why not?? I'll play....Browns 5 round:
1. Joe Haden CB
2. Jahvid Best RB
3. Koa Misi OLB
3. Selvish Capers OT
4. Jevan Sneed QB
5. John Jerry OG
5. Myron Lewis S
5. Freddie Barnes WR
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That's actually a damn good mock. I have no idea who Koa Misi is however.
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Even the Sneed pick? I think he sucks, and will suck even harder in the pros. Rather not waste a pick on him.
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That's actually a damn good mock. I have no idea who Koa Misi is however.
Misi is a DE who projects to backer in a 3/4...high motor guy.
In the second I actually thought about Brandon Spikes, but I was afraid you specifically would call me a homer...LOL....it's not my fault both Haden and spikes are good.
Sneed....first, he doesn't suck....he is a project guy. No way he comes in and plays his first year, maybe even second....he does have a good arm and QB'd a pretty good team.
I would assume he would sit behind a vet QB not named Derrick or Brady.
If we are looking for a qb to play earlier, well, we have to draft one earlier.
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Even the Sneed pick? I think he sucks, and will suck even harder in the pros. Rather not waste a pick on him.
Ehh... if he's available in the 4th, why not? He has some tools to work with, but he's still a bit on the raw side. If Holmgren's boys can develop him into a starter, then we've struck gold. If not, we didn't invest all that much in him in the first place. I'd say go for it is he's available that late.
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What Peen said. He has insane potential, he just needs to get his confidence back.
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That's actually a damn good mock. I have no idea who Koa Misi is however.
Misi is a DE who projects to backer in a 3/4...high motor guy.
In the second I actually thought about Brandon Spikes, but I was afraid you specifically would call me a homer...LOL....it's not my fault both Haden and spikes are good.
I personally like Spikes and Haden. However I would be pissed if we drafted Dunlap or Tebow.
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Granted I only saw him play a few times in college, but everytime I forget it was him and I thought I was watching John Parker Wilson. When watching him run through the drills on ESPN he was throwing wobblers all over the place. Seemed really inaccurate. Based on what I have seen of him, no thanks.
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Try watching some of Misi. I'd much rather have him than Spikes.
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Does he project to be better than Veikune, who is also a "high motor" guy?
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Any mock draft where we take Jahvid Best I will be happy.
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Does he project to be better than Veikune, who is also a "high motor" guy?
The answer better be yes or he's UDFA material. 
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Peen..
My mock had us taking Haden in the first, and Spikes in the 2nd.. and I even considered putting Major Wright in there as a 4th round Safety.. but haven't really seen much of him.
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Peen..
My mock had us taking Haden in the first, and Spikes in the 2nd.. and I even considered putting Major Wright in there as a 4th round Safety.. but haven't really seen much of him.
If we do indeed pick Haden at number 7 at least we can always keep our eye out for Myron Rolle and Major Wright sometime in the next rounds. Of course, right now, I really want Rolle over wright because like you I haven't seen much of him.
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Peen..
My mock had us taking Haden in the first, and Spikes in the 2nd.. and I even considered putting Major Wright in there as a 4th round Safety.. but haven't really seen much of him.
I like Major.
My thinking is this....most of those guys later are about the same. I think Major is better than Lewis as an example, but not all that much better from a value standpoint. So, if I am going to select one late, I want one as late as I can go without ending up with total crap, and as I said, Lewis is a pretty good player.
I gave some thought to selecting Nate Allen at the top of the 2nd over Best, but when I looked at 5th round backs, I didn't see nearly the value as I would get going safety.....plus...I want some insurance for Harrison....actually, I would like Harrison as my insurance at RB when all is said and done.
I think Best can be one of the Best....I am not sold Harrison can hold up for 16 games while flashing what he flashed last season.
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Here's my mock I posted on another site.
* Round 1, Pick# 7 - J. Haden CB Florida
Teams with E. Wright and solidifies CB position.
* Round 2, Pick# 6 - C. Jones S LSU
Need major influx of talent and youth. Should step in as starter. Don't see Pool returning.
* Round 3, Pick# 7 - C. Black
RT is in need of upgrade. Gives solid bookend opposite J. Thomas.
* Round 3, Pick# 28 - J. Cunningham DE/OLB Florida
Wimbley doesn't have the moves to be a consistent pass rusher.
* Round 4, Pick# 7 - B. Stull QB Pitt
Big reach here, but I feel that he will be a good stop-gap/back-up QB. Good accuracy and and can sell the play-action.
* Round 5, Pick# 3 - R. Johnson Utah FS
When the veteran WR on your team spends more time on defense than offense, you have major depth issues. Great value here.
* Round 5, Pick# 6 - A. Quarless TE Penn St.
Great talent, bad character. Worth taking a chance here.
* Round 5, Pick# 29 - D. Dickerson FB/HB/WR
Cribbs Jr. Doesn't have a real position, but is a football player and always makes a play.
* Round 6, Pick# 8 - E.J. Wilson DE UNC
Starting DE's are in their 30's. Time to start the youth movement. Not a pass rusher, but solid vs the run.
* Round 6, Pick# 17 - R. Stephens OG Iowa St.
Versatile G/C. Could develop into solid back-up.
* Round 7, Pick# 7 - M. Dodge P East Carolina
Zastudil has had injury issues the past couple of seasons. The writing is on the wall here.
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i knew this looked familiar.. saw this on condraft.com.
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I'll play too.
1. Anthony Davis - OT
2. Myron Rolle - S
3. Aaron Hernandez - TE
3. George Selvie - Tweener LB
4. Eric Decker - WR
5. Ciron Black - OT
5. Pat Angererererer - LB
5. Jonathan Crompton - QB
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Pat Angererererer? Er....Did your keyboard malfunction or did you make that up to see if we were paying attentioner? 
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Did Rolle look amazing at the senior bowl or something? I am just not understanding the love for this kid. He was a major letdown at FL State as a player, esp with how hyped he was coming in as a freshman from highschool. I would also question his passion for the game.
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Did Rolle look amazing at the senior bowl or something?
He supposedly looked good enough that his stock should rise a bit.
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Did Rolle look amazing at the senior bowl or something? I am just not understanding the love for this kid. He was a major letdown at FL State as a player, esp with how hyped he was coming in as a freshman from highschool. I would also question his passion for the game.
 
He was an ALL-AMERICAN! A dissappointment? GMAB ADMVP. Have you gone off your meds today or something?
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I would also question his passion for the game.
Because he's smart? Because he can put together a couple coherent sentences? Because he has more to his life away from football than guns and ho's?
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He was an ALL-AMERICAN! A dissappointment? GMAB ADMVP. Have you gone off your meds today or something?
He was a THIRD yes 3rd! team all american and second team in the ACC ONE year. Not exactly as great as you make it out to be. With the hype that surrounded the kid coming into college he should have been 1st team.
Also after his final season looking at draft boards and experts he was graded as a 5th round pick, hardly worthy of a 3 round upgrade because he did well in the senior bowl and is a media hype storm. The kid doesnt have the play to back up 2nd rd grade PERIOD. If hes there in the 4th, sure take a flyer on him. Everyone on here is jumping on the media hype machine and fail to realize that his play doesnt back up drafting him in the top 3 rounds. Even Kiper/Shay/Wright all say so (the top 3 scouts) and Jeremy Green (Scouts, Inc Director, ex pro player personel for the Browns BTW!) dont see the play/ability to back up taking him before the 4th.
As far as his passion, I say that because he went away from the game, and might have bigger issues other than football on his plate. Your talking about an incredibily gifted person, and he has even stated he wants to be a doctor. That might be a major passion of his and each team will have to do their research before they invest on a player who may not want to play in 3 seasons.
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I agree with him for the most part. Rolle was a disappointment on the field, and is in no way good enough to be a 1st or 2nd rounder.
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I also agree. But, if you can get a player with his work ethic and character in the 3rd round or later, I think you have to do it. At worst he is an excellent backup/special teamer.
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Sorry you dont draft STers, you pick them up as an UDFA. Also drafting a guy in the third rd and saying his "work ethic" he can be an awesome backup would be short of moronic. You draft starters in the first 3 rounds of the draft at min. ESP on a team as woeful in the talent department as the browns.
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Sorry you dont draft STers, you pick them up as an UDFA
Really, That's where most teams draft their ST's. 4TH round & down.
Any help you can get with 4th & down At All...Is gold to any team.
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then tell me how out of a 53 man roster with an avg of 7 plyers in the draft where we get all of our starters if we only get starters in the first 3 rounds? 
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Between FA & a few UDFA, and years of drafting. Once youve been established as most teams have been for years, most teams now cut players they drafted in the 4th or lower. I don't think you can name many teams that have relied on ANY lower rd draft pick to pan out. You could argue "US" but hopfully that will change with MH.
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then tell me how out of a 53 man roster with an avg of 7 plyers in the draft where we get all of our starters if we only get starters in the first 3 rounds?
It's not about that, it's about expectations... you EXPECT to get solid starters in rounds 1-3... 4 is sort of a gray area... but if you draft somebody in 5 or below that turns out to be a quality starter, then you got a little lucky, if he turns out to be a depth player who contributes on special teams, then that was a successful pick in my opinion.
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rounds 1-3 = 3 new starters per yer out of 22 starters.
That equates to the ability to do a full turnover of your starters every 7 years. Very doable given how long you should expect to keep someone of starter quality.
Then you occassionally strike gold in a lower round, and bring in the occassional free agent.
It isn't difficult if you can just get 1-3 to matter every single April.
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