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I doubt we get him.. Something just shouts "its too good to be true"..
that is exactly how i feel. and that's not me being a woe is me clevelander or a negative nancy. because if you read my posts i'm nowhere near that.
it just seems way too good to be true.
i've been contemplating making the move in 2k10. just for a preview of what could be
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Dont make the move, only make yourself more upset when it doesnt happen.
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Portland just got Marcus Camby ... that should help them out a bit. I'm sort of glad these "other" trades are happening in the West.
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I doubt we get him.. Something just shouts "its too good to be true"..
I agree ... it just seems like there is no way we can catch a break like this. Then again, I thought there was no way in hell that buzzer beater against Orlando last year was going in either. 
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i also had my doubts about us winning the draft lottery, even if we did have the best odds.
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i also had my doubts about us winning the draft lottery, even if we did have the best odds.
LOL ... I remember watching the Draft itself nervously because I thought the Front Office might do something stupid and draft Darko/Carmelo just because they over-thought themselves.
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I think the Camby move really helps portland, who needed another big to stay competitive in the West. I dont think it pushes them over the top, but a solid move. I also think that Outlaw is a good player.
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Any move that helps beat up the West before one team gets to the finals is alright with me. They've now got better teams in Dallas and Portland to compete with the Lakers and Nuggets. You've also got the Spurs lurking around ... although, they are probably past their window.
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i think the spurs might shock everyone thursday with a bold move. i think parker or ginobili could actually get dealt if the right piece is there.
basically anyone but duncan has to be up for grabs, right?
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I wouldn't even be shocked if Duncan gets dealt ... he's starting to hit that "point of no-return" where big-guys start to go downhill, and usually go quickly.
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I've heard that you can basically scratch Amare's name off the list. If the Suns wait too long, it'll be too late for the Cavs to do anything. DAMN IT!!!! 
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Care to elaborate?
Also havent been able to listen to Plutos podcast since I've been at work all day, any earthshattering news on that end?
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I've heard that you can basically scratch Amare's name off the list. If the Suns wait too long, it'll be too late for the Cavs to do anything.
DAMN IT!!!!
Uh yeah ... how do you figure this?
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I gues the Cavs really don't want J-rich but the Suns are trying to play chicken with Danny Ferry.
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You hear this on the radio?
Also, I dont have any idea on J.Rich's contract situation but I think hes a solid player, a legit scorer, something any team cant have enough of in the playoffs. I wouldnt be against him on the Cavs, I think he's a good player.
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Also, I dont have any idea on J.Rich's contract situation but I think hes a solid player, a legit scorer, something any team cant have enough of in the playoffs. I wouldnt be against him on the Cavs, I think he's a good player.
Yeah and I read the same thing on another forum.
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I gues the Cavs really don't want J-rich but the Suns are trying to play chicken with Danny Ferry.
I'm not sure the Cavs CAN take J-Rich. Between him and Amare, that's around $30 million in salaries. We don't have the contracts to match up with that, unless we trade something like Mo Williams and Delonte West with Z.
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Yeah and I read the same thing on another forum.
Radio, isn't exactly Gospel. Usually just talk show hosts spewing whatever they can to stay relevant. Forums usually just repeat whatever they hear anywhere ... including radio.
The trade-deadline is the trade-deadline. It applies to both the Cavs and the Suns, so there is no "if we don't do this NOW, then scratch Amare off the list". We are in a good position to play chicken anyway. We have the best team in the league WITH our current record and don't NEED to make a move. We also have a few other options on the table. The Suns are the ones that need to save some money and unload contracts.
... also from what I've read the Cavs are at the very LEAST, the Suns "last resort", meaning that if they can't get a better offer, they'll probably be forced to take our offer anyway. I'm betting that if this deal goes down, it'll probably be right at the deadline on Thursday anyway.
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The Suns are the ones that need to save some money and unload contracts.
I agree, the problem is that the Suns could also easily make a deal with Miami. So we don't have a lot of leverage on them, other then the fact we can help relieve them of a lot more money.
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I agree, the problem is that the Suns could also easily make a deal with Miami. So we don't have a lot of leverage on them, other then the fact we can help relieve them of a lot more money.
We do have leverage ... Miami doesn't have any players that Phoenix really wants. Reports have said that PHX does NOT want Beasley ...and outside of him, who else does Miami really have? Miami would have to involve a third or 4th team to make that happen, and then things would get really crazy and complicated.
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Seems to me that a lot of speculation is going around with little evidence. Quote:
Jamison Talks With Cleveland Intensify
Feb 16, 2010 4:02 PM EST
Trade talks between the Cavaliers and Wizards for Antawn Jamison have intensified on Tuesday, sources tell Yahoo!
The Cavaliers have yet to meet Washington's asking price, which is believed to include J.J. Hickson.
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I think either Amare or 'Tawn would be a welcome addition to the team. I would rather Amare (for the long haul) but either makes us significantly better.
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While I don't mind giving up Hickson for Amare, I don't want to give up Hickson for Jamison.
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What?!? The Media speculate, with little to no evidence??? Noooooooooo 
If this all was just a smoke screen, it looks like the Wiz have taken the bait. Either that or this is a smoke screen to get PHX to swallow their pride and take the deal.
At least we would appear to be in the driver's seat. (so it seems)
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While I don't mind giving up Hickson for Amare, I don't want to give up Hickson for Jamison.
I agree .... Amar'e at least gives you some long term viability while Jamison does not. The Wiz are desperate for cap space, so you'd think they'd be happy to take a Z + Green deal for Antwain.
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We're half way through February and this thread is almost full  I do NOT want to give up JJ for Jamison!
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Rumors are getting pretty ridiculous. This was posted on ESPN's running blog section about potential trades: POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 4:31 p.m. ET
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Marc Stein: Cleveland's interest in Antawn Jamison dates to last season, which has apparently spawned some radio rumblings in the DC area about the Wizards and Cavs discussing a deal that would swap Jamison and Mike Miller for Shaquille O'Neal.
I've been encouraged by both teams to dispel that notion in the strongest possible terms.
Both teams resoundingly shot it down when we checked with them.
Got a flat "no" from one of the two teams and a louder "BIG no" from the other.
The Cavs still covet Jamison, but giving up Shaq to get him makes no sense, even if they do successfully strike a deal for Amare Stoudemire before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline.
On top of the fact that the Cavs are very pleased with Shaq's first 50-plus games in town, they need him for potential down-the-road playoff matchups against Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, etc. Cleveland, remember, thinks defense first. Any guesses as to which team gave the bigger "NO".
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While I don't mind giving up Hickson for Amare, I don't want to give up Hickson for Jamison.
I agree .... Amar'e at least gives you some long term viability while Jamison does not. The Wiz are desperate for cap space, so you'd think they'd be happy to take a Z + Green deal for Antwain.
A Z+Green for Jamison deal I could live with.
What do you guys think about Maggette's name floating around out there now?
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Man, the next few days will be rough. Last year, I was on a snowboarding trip and only got to check the internet on my iPhone at night. So it was a bit "out of sight - out of mind". Now, I'm checking this crap every 5 minutes.
Anything that brings us closer to a title....I'm all for it.
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Shaq shouldn't be involved in any trade. We traded for him for one reason, and one reason only. Dwight Howard. What sense would it make to unload Shaq before the playoffs? 
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Honestly, I thought Maggette was out of basketball or dead. So I'm not too excited about trading for him.
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He's averaging 20.8 points, 6.1 boards, and 2.5 assists per game in 31 minutes per game. Not bad for a dead guy
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He also has 4 years left on his 9mil a year contract. He's having a bit of a "decent" year, but mostly because he's the only scoring option on a pretty terrible GS team. I think I'd be more disappointed getting Maggette than I would be getting Murphy.
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Isn't he also 30? Not much younger than Jamison.
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What about a Z for Maggette and Brandan Wright (to make the trade work out financially)?
Don't know if Golden State would do it, but would you if you were the Cavs?
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Ya, I was only half serious......I don't hear much about the guy with him being on the west coast. And after I see the Cavs highlights on Sportscenter or ESPNEWS, the channel gets turned anyway. Wouldn't CM's production in GS be skewed a bit with them being a shoot-happy team? They're the 2nd best offense in the league (only using PPG).
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Even if it was Z's contract for Maggette ... that's still 9 mill a year for the next 4 years on a guy that's probably not going to be that big of an upgrade. I would think this would be the absolute last resort ... just to get SOMETHING for Z's contract.
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Even if it was Z's contract for Maggette ... that's still 9 mill a year for the next 4 years on a guy that's probably not going to be that big of an upgrade. I would think this would be the absolute last resort ... just to get SOMETHING for Z's contract.
do not underestimate that.....the ONLY way we can really improve next season is through a trade now.
that doesn't even mean that we keep the player...just that we need to increase our payroll going into the offseason so that we have more assets to trade since we cannot fit a major player under the cap anyway.
maggette does not have a cap-friendly contract, so he would be hard to trade....however, acquiring him would allow us to shop Parker, Moon and maybe even Delonte.
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Adrian Wojnarowski from Yahoo Sports reported on Twitter that Miami tried to get Charlotte involved as a third team in a 3-way trade for Amar'e but couldn't get them to go for it. Pretty much confirms what we said earlier, in that Miami doesn't have any assets that PHX wants. Miami wants Amar'e, but they are going to be hard-pressed to find a third team to agree to a deal that satisfies PHX.
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The Jamison talks, in my opinion, are only being floated out there to put pressure on Phoenix. From what many talking heads are now saying, there aren't any other teams left in the Amar'e sweepstakes.
Philadelphia balked at trading Iguodala and Miami couldn't facilitate a 3rd team to include a player Phoenix likes. The Suns were reportedly luke warm on Beasley and even so, Miami didn't want to move him. That left the Heat without a centerpiece type player to package.
At this point, I think Ferry is just trying to leverage this deal a bit if he can. The Suns want the "best deal" and Ferry is essentially saying this is the best deal.
Also, Maggette most likely would not be a deal for Z if I had to take a guess. I would think a S&T with Wally would be a more realistic option. Given all the money we would be taking back for a guard like Maggette, I don't think we'd be willing to trade a big for him.
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windy shot down the shaq stuff pretty hard.
maggette for nothing? ehh, i'd entertain it, but i think if we were more desperate and not the holders of the best record in the league i'd probably take that a little more serious.
i have a feeling thursday is going to be insane.
i just want to see how other teams and how the national/ny media reacts if we land amare stoudemire.
bill simmons talked about how the cavs when they play small are crap your pants scary.
could you imagine them going this small?
1-mo
2-parker/west
3-jamario
4-lebron
5-stoudemire
how do you stop that? those are 5 guys that can get up and down the floor. it'd be like the suns except they'd have that defensive flavor. so much athleticism.
then, after a bit, you can bring in your halfcourt bangers.
seriously, if this deal happens and they don't win a chip then i might consider accepting the fact that cleveland is cursed. until then i don't believe in curses.
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