+1......were talkin about recovery speed essentially.....
the good news is, its extremely rare hes out of position. it not like all the SEC receivers are 4.6 or slower.....he's faced serious speed and defended well. quickness and fluidity >> 40 time.
now, additionally....a great 40 does not mean mays is a capable safety. the spped is nice to close, but he constantly gets caught peeking into the backfield, and that 4.2 isn't gonna make any difference when hes 15 yards in front of the receiver.
lesson: instinct and smarts are more coveted and useful than flat out speed and hitting ability.
I would trade 2-3 picks in exchange for Berry. I think Berry is going to be so good, that I wouldn't even bat an eye trading something like our #1, late #2 and #5 for him. Maybe that sounds ridiculous to some people but that guy is a flat out animal. Great measurables, great production and the ability to play multiple positions at a high level. Those guys don't come along very often. If you have a chance to get someone like him, even if it costs more than it should, you pull the trigger.
For Mays, I would take him if he was there in round 2. Beyond that, I just don't think he's worth it.
You talk about FF but in 4 years as a starter, Mays forced 1, ONE fumble. How does a safety that's 230 LBS and runs a 4.3 40 only cause ONE player to fumble in 4 seasons?
Plus, the guy is not a great tackler. Sure, he'll sometimes lay the big hit on someone but he'll also take a bad angle and wiff just as much. People are falling in love with his measurables, not his production.
0 sacks, 1 FF and 5 INT's in 4 years as a starter. That stat line is absolutely pedestrian for a guy people think should be a #1 pick.
Safety isn't a position where you're going to put up gaudy numbers but the guy is just NEVER around the football when it's in the air. To me that means three things.
1.) He continually gets lost in coverage.
2.) He gets caught out of position and constantly trails the receiver he's covering (thus killing opportunities to make a play on the football).
3.) He doesn't have a feel for what the QB is doing, i.e. can't read his eyes / body language and anticipate what he wants to do.
He lacks the football IQ of a player like Berry and at the next level, that's typically what separates the men from the boys.
Maybe he'll prove me wrong who knows. I have a feeling he won't but we shall see.
Another prospect I would love to have is Angerer from Iowa. Not sure where he is projected or his physical combine stats(which I think gets way too much hype) but this kid can flat out play.
One guy I'm interested in is Obrien Schofield. I know he suffored a major knee injury during the senior bowl practices but he was projected to be drafted in the second or third round. Now you could get the guy in the 6th or 7th.
To me it's worth it to take the risk and let him have the season to recover from the knee injury. This guy could be a nice player at OLB.
I'm about to start pimping a safety that I really didn't know too much about.. but after reading about the guy, and watching some highlights.. I think he can contribute to the Browns defense.
Kyle McCarthy of Notre Dame 6'0 - 205 lbs.
He's a team captain, shows great leadership, and always seems to be at the right place at the right time to make a big play.
Gets a ton of tackles, and also had 5 INT's this past season.
He's projected to go anywhere from the 6th- FA.. Doubt if he goes undrafted.. He's not the fastest, but makes plays on a consistent basis.
O yea.. He's from Youngstown, OH.
from condraft.com
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Overview Senior Bowl invitee. Measurements - arm: 28.75" hand: 8.75" Notes: Solid frame, decent sized, but short-armed. Strengths Smart, steady SS who plays a disciplined, sound game. Extremely intelligent team captain who already had graduated with a finance degree prior to the season. Hard hitter but not reckless; squares up well and is a reliable tackler. Active in the run game and good in pass defense. Can cover RBs and TEs man to man, and makes a number of timely interceptions. Fine special teams player. Weaknesses Not the biggest or the fastest. Not athletic enough to cover WRs or play in the slot. Projection Mid-round pick who's almost a lock to make a team. Far too smart and competitive to fail. Might take a while to start, but should eventually get there.
We are definitely look for safeties, and I think this guy could stick in a Brian Russell/ John Lynch kind of way (not sure he hits as hard as Lynch though, lol). He can definitely put players in position to make plays as well.
Quote: We are definitely look for safeties, and I think this guy could stick in a Brian Russell/ John Lynch kind of way (not sure he hits as hard as Lynch though, lol).
I, like you before, know nothing about this McCarthy. But from that statement alone I know he is white.
He reminds me more of a Kevin Ellison from USC than anyone else. Leader of a successful defense is college, smart, and undervalued. But if drafted he will eventually start for your team and be successful.
Browns to conduct private workout with Spikes Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 9, 2010 10:22 AM ET Mike Holmgren is already re-making the Browns offense, but Eric Mangini remains to pilot the defense. And he needs linebackers badly.
With that in mind, the team will conduct a private workout with Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes, according to a league source. The Buccaneers and Bills will also visit with Spikes.
Spikes has the size and instincts to make an ideal fit inside a 3-4 defense, but there are concerns about his top-end speed. On a 4-3 defense, he could play in the middle and some teams may look at him as a strong-side linebacker.
Draft projections have Spikes going anywhere from the mid-first round to the middle of the second round.
not really pimping the guy since i never saw him play but this guy is from my university and since it's a D3 school in cleveland, it's worth rooting for him!
Quote: As much as Dan Whalen would love to represent Case Western Reserve by sporting school garb on Friday in Columbus, he has a different plan intact.
Whalen's decision should not be confused as a slight to the college he attends while performing at Ohio State's pro day in an attempt to get noticed by an NFL team. The small-school product and South graduate is proud of where he hails.
His choice of workout gear has a specific purpose. He will be wearing a yellow Under Armour workout shirt.
"I'm thinking that will help me stand out," said Whalen.
Standing out is the goal on Friday for Whalen. His NFL dream depends on it. The most important stop to date for Whalen is at Ohio State's Woody Hayes Athletic Center, where NFL eyes will be upon him and other draft hopefuls from OSU and other small schools.
The nerves are there. The day is approaching. The pressure is mounting. For Whalen, it doesn't get any bigger than Friday.
"Yeah, I'm pretty nervous to tell you the truth," said Whalen, who headed to Columbus on Wednesday night. "It's like playing in a big game, but I'll be good to go. But the fact is, if you don't perform well, you won't get a call (from an NFL team). That's what makes it scary and nerve-wracking. But for me, I'm going in with nothing to lose."
Whalen's last workout with Tim Robertson at Speed Strength Systems at the Euclid Sports Plant was Monday. Rest is on the agenda until Friday, when check in at the OSU facility is at 7:30 a.m.
An hour later, field testing begins similar to the ones given at the NFL scouting combine. Whalen said he will take every test, among them the 40-yard dash, the vertical and broad jumps, the 3-cone drill and even bench press 225 pounds as many times as possible.
"I'm confident I'll be the strongest quarterback there," said Whalen.
After that, it will be time to throw the ball, a feat Whalen knows he must ace. Whether it's the 25-yard out or the seam route down the middle, crisp throws with zip and accuracy is most important.
"I know I have a strong arm," said Whalen. "From what I've heard, I'll probably make close to 70 or 80 throws. I'm confident I'll be fine throwing the ball. The biggest things with your throws, they want to see them on a line and accurate. You can't float anything."
The biggest difference from the combine to a pro day is players won't be interviewed by NFL teams, at least formally.
Whalen won't be the only small-school QB working out for the NFL masses. Joining Whalen is fellow small-school prospects Bill Cundiff of Ashland, a UConn transfer, and Trevor Harris of Edinboro.
The headliners from Ohio State who will be working out are defensive end/linebacker Thaddeus Gibson of Euclid and safety Kurt Coleman.
i can't either but in recent years, case has been doing a lot better. i think the head coach was up for a coach of the year, actually.if nothing else, this guy should be pretty smart.
As mall school prospect i'm pimping is Arthur Moats from James-Madison.
He's a de/olb tweener who's 6'1" 250lbs who had 90 tackles, 23 tfl and 11 sacks last year in the FCS. The year before he had 65tck, 15.5tfl and 11.5 sacks.
He's got pretty long arms and he also ran a 4.6 40.
He could end up being a pretty good OLB in the 3-4 defense.
Quote: actually.if nothing else, this guy should be pretty smart.
and wealthy (if you have seen the recent tuition hikes there)
well actually case has been one of the private institutions who have been great with giving out money, at least when i was in school from 03-07. unfortunately the economy definitely hurts but i remember, as a student, reading that 70% of students there received gift aid (grants, not loans), even though the avg income for the household was 100k. their motto was always, price shouldn't stop someone from attending and i definitely benefited from that as well from variation of scholarship, grants, and generally a small portion in loans. then again now, it costs 45k to attend and live on campus whereas, when i joined, it was around 30k.
Quote: then again now, it costs 45k to attend and live on campus whereas, when i joined, it was around 30k.
exactly. my class graduated the year before you started. when I started it was 20K/year w/ room and board. so, in just over 10 years it has more than doubled in price.
so, even with getting some aid, people are still graduating with a ton of debt now.
Quote: However, the cornerback’s father and trainer, Joe Haden Sr., says the poor times were a result of a lower back sprain the 20-year-old has been nursing, according to Ben Volin of the Palm Beach Post.
Two observations...
1) If this is true Haden will run a much better 40 at his Pro Day and rocket back up the draft boards (if he fell at all).
I think Suh would fit in any defense. He is just that good.
More on point, he is a much better guy against the run and consuming double teams (or just plain splitting them) than McCoy who is more of a pure 4-3 DT. I think Suh would be an excellent fit as a 3-4 DE.
You never know for sure, of course, but sometimes a talent is so good that you take that chance. Not that it will matter, if he lasts past #3, I will be shocked.
Watch the 40 on NFL Network for haden. The moment I saw it I knew it was a bad time. He started in the blocks as though he never had done it before. Deion Sanders had a tizzy watching his set up. I would be far more interested to see the 20 to 40 time and the 10 to 40 time to determine his actual footspeed.
Quote: I'm hoping Terrance Cody falls to us in the 2nd round.
He will be there in the second. He is only viable for 3-4 teams, and no-one except the Chargers will take him before the third. Too much of a risk with the weight.
Quote: Watch the 40 on NFL Network for haden. The moment I saw it I knew it was a bad time. He started in the blocks as though he never had done it before. Deion Sanders had a tizzy watching his set up.
I would be far more interested to see the 20 to 40 time and the 10 to 40 time to determine his actual footspeed.
How did he look in the drills? I didn't get a chance to see any of the combine this year.
I don't know about that man. With him down under 350, his stock just rose up a ton. And with half the teams running a 3-4 now, it's not like he fits with only a select few teams.
Gotta dig the Irish music from Boondock Saints in the video! Gets me pumped for St. Patty's Day.
Secondary just has to be in the first two rounds somewhere. We haven't added anyone to the secondary yet via FA, which has surprised me to a certain extent. Is the market for FAs in the secondary just that bad?
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
Quote: Tell me why Dexter McCluster's amazing skills wouldn't transcend to the NFL. And tell me why Cleveland shouldn't draft him. I've never seen such quick hip shift, coupled with immediate burst and breakaway speed.
or he at least knows how to play the media. a day after talking about needing a 'speed' guy we read that they are privately working out McCluster and attended Clemson's pro-day with Ford.
I don't want to waste a pick on a guy that's 5'9" 172 lbs and only ran a 4.5 40 at the combine. If he ran a 4.2 something or a 4.3 then I might think about it.
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