You're right he ran it. But there is enough film of him making playing and blowing passed people at Ole Miss to overrule his 40 time. And yes he's small, but as I've said before, guys who play in the slot don't have to be real tall (or tall at all) they just have to be quick and run good routes.
I like him as well. I only see two potential problems with him really. One is durability. Two is deciding how to get him involved in the offense. Using him conventionally won't work very well.
I know you've probably only seen highlights of Eric Metcalf with the Browns but this kid reminds me of Metcalf in the open field with his cutting ability.
I agree with both parts but I will say he seems to avoid big shots.
Lastly watching guys like McCluster make watching games fun. We don't have a dynamic offensive threat. As much as I am for building through the OL and DL we just don't have dynamic athleticism on offense at all. This guy would keep DCs up at night.
And you can't help but smile watching that guy tote the rock.
Quote: Theres way too much talent in this draft to take a gamble on a guy who could or could not be good in the NFL.
I'm kind of dumbfounded by this comment. Isn't every single prospect " a guy that could or could not be good in the NFL."
As bad as we have been picking the guys that "will be good" I don't mind taking a chance on a guy that could be GREAT. Besides could you imagine having Cribbs and McCluster in the wildcat together??
Quote: Theres way too much talent in this draft to take a gamble on a guy who could or could not be good in the NFL.
I'm kind of dumbfounded by this comment. Isn't every single prospect " a guy that could or could not be good in the NFL."
I just knew after I wroote typed that this comment would surface.
Yes any guy could or could not be good in the NFL but if I am a drafting for the Browns with all the draft failures we have had I am taking the guy's with the least amount of question marks.
Almost put this in the Bradford/Clausen or Bust thread just cause OoooRah and I had been talking about Armanti in there.
Quote: Published: March 17, 2010
BOONE - Armanti Edwards was back in familiar territory yesterday, continuing pursuit of his goal to play in the NFL.
Edwards and five other former Appalachian State players worked out at Kidd Brewer Stadium in front of representatives from 10 NFL teams.
Edwards, who amassed 14,753 yards of total offense in four seasons as ASU's quarterback and was a two-time player of the year in the NCAA's Football Championship Subdivision, remains a candidate for this year's NFL Draft as a quarterback, wide receiver and possibly return specialist.
He ran the 40-yard dash yesterday, something he didn't do Feb. 28 at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis because of a sore hamstring.
Mike Kent, ASU's strength and conditioning coach, said that each NFL team did its own timing.
"Most of the times (for Edwards) were in the 4.4 range," Kent said. "You've got 10 different teams, so you might have a range of anywhere from 4.42 to 4.48. If you're averaging, you're going to say somewhere in the mid 4.4 range."
Edwards said that the times were in the range he expected. His times were faster than those of the eight quarterbacks who ran the 40 at the NFL Combine and in the same range as most of the receivers at the Combine.
Edwards said that the hamstring that bothered him a few weeks ago is fine.
"It felt 100 percent today," Edwards said. "When I ran my 40s, I didn't feel anything. When I did the rest of my workout, it didn't get fatigued on me."
Edwards, who has been training at quarterback and wide receiver since the end of last football season, did drills yesterday at both positions and also fielded punts, something he hadn't done before.
"It wasn't as difficult as I thought," he said. "The wind kept pushing the ball a little right, but as the ball started coming off the JUGS machine I started adjusting."
Edwards said he doesn't yet have a feel for if he'll be drafted or in what round, or what position he will play. He said that the main question he gets from NFL teams is if he will be willing to play a position other than quarterback.
"Being undersized for a quarterback (5-11, 182), they want to see if I'm willing to play wide receiver or special teams," Edwards said.
The answer, he said, is "yes".
"At this point, beggars can't be choosers, so just playing in the NFL (is the goal)," Edwards said. "I want to play football.
"Every team varies. A couple of teams like me as a special-teams returner, a couple teams like me at receiver, and a couple like me at quarterback and receiver, so it depends on what team.
"As far as talking and getting feedback from the teams, I think I would be at a couple of positions -- quarterback some, wide receiver some and maybe returning kicks…. They like me as an athlete, they just don't know what position they want to put me at."
He said that the multiple possibilities could work in his favor.
"I think it's switching over to that for the past couple of years with players like Josh Cribbs and Pat White," Edwards said. "Guys who have been in the Shotgun or running the option, it gives them more hope to be in the NFL and hopefully play."
Edwards has more workouts scheduled in Boone. He said he will returns punts and kickoffs for the Jacksonville Jaguars today and then work at quarterback and wide receiver for the Carolina Panthers on Thursday, New England Patriots on Friday, Miami Dolphins next Monday and the Indianapolis Colts on March 30.
The Jaguars and Panthers had representatives at yesterday's Pro Day, along with the Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns , Detroit Lions, Kansas City Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles, Pittsburgh Steelers and Washington Redskins.
Other former Appalachian State players who participated in workouts yesterday were: defensive tackles Malcolm Bennett and Anthony Williams, tight end Tim Frye, cornerback Cortez Gilbert and linebacker Jacque Roman.
From everything I've heard this guy is an Andre Johnson clone...except for the maturity issues. If this guy was clean off the field he would be a top 5 pick.
No one has seen that much of him because of the suspension but I am not a big fan.
What I like: Big strong fast and runs great after the catch.
What I don't like: besides the reported lack of work ethic, I don't like his propensity to catch the ball with his body.
My #1 Wr in the draft is DeMaryius Thomas - Big strong fast. Good hands and catches the ball with his hands. And doesn't have the off the field issues.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
He also has a HUGE question mark surrounding him as he didn't run many routes in college. Running the triple option majority of the time, he needs a lot of work to become a viable NFL WR.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
Yes he only ran a few routes in college but Randy Moss only runs a few in the NFL
I think Thomas will be an immediate contributor then with some coaching will turn into a premier Wr by year 3. JMO. We'll see in a couple of years if I'm right.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
I agree the kid is a tremendous talent, has Calvin Johnon potential. Just is lack of any sort of a pro style offense is a bit worrisome to me, esp for a position that it very difficult to make the transition in the NFL.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
I love Bryant on the field. IMO He is the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson. With that said, I would not touch him in the top 10. There are a lot of stories floating about his character.
I agree. I've watched some of his games and read some stories about him. If he had his head screwed on straight I would have no problem taking with our 1st round pick.
But there is no way I would want to guarantee the type of money it would take to draft him (Heyward-Bey got $23.5 million guaranteed last year as the 7th pick).
Too bad because the guy is really talented.
For me the only options are Berry, trade down, and Haden (in that order).
I dont want anything to do with JPP. He would just scare me at the #7 overall pick and I feel like taking him would be like taking Heyward Bay or Bruce Allen.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
Yeah, obviously I would like to trade up for Bradford but I didn't include that in my options because I don't think it is realistic.
I'm not really a fan of Pierre-Paul because I don't like taking players who have to switch positions that early in the draft. Also, he only played one at South Florida after two years in JUCO. He seems really risky to me.
I wouldn't be ecstatic about the pick either, but it is an option for me. Only reason I wouldn't like it is because of how risky it is. But let's face it, every pick that high in the draft is risky, and JPP was very good last year. I have no problem with taking a tweener that high. Shawne Merriman, Brian Orakpo and DeMarcus Ware are looking fine right now.
I would characterize jpp's play last year as good... Not #7 material. In fact every time I'd watch sofla play I'd hear the commentators talk about how jpp was even better than selvie but then selvie would be the one all over the place making plays. Selvie has NFL instincts and range. Not sure about jpp (reaction/anticipation plays into range, not just speed and acceleration.)
if you ask me who I'd rather have at OLB... Jpp or Graham, I'll take the nation's leader in TFLs and not think twice. That's why I can't see taking jpp at 7.
Btw, my options are: 1) berry 2) suh 3) Haden 4) Bradford at #7 5a) trade down to target mcclain 5b) trade down to target Graham 5c) trade down to target Trent Williams 6) mcclain 7) graham 8) Bryant
No, you interpret everything I say as me being full of myself. Good luck finding a GM who likes Thomas more than Berry. I have indirectly heard that 20 NFL teams have Thomas ranked way behind Berry, and not in the top 20.
cmon Deep, starting off a post like this was begging for that response.
try out: most scouting sites right now agree that Thomas is well behind JPP.
I personally really don't believe anything that GM's are telling anyone outside of their organization this time of year (too much incentive to lie).
As for the scouting services, most out there available to us average joe's have JPP ahead of Earl Thomas. 15 seems about right for him, but I personally like him a lot and think he will be a very good player. I would love to trade down (to early teens) and get him if Berry and Haden are gone.
Quote: No, you interpret everything I say as me being full of myself. Good luck finding a GM who likes Thomas more than Berry. I have indirectly heard that 20 NFL teams have Thomas ranked way behind Berry, and not in the top 20.
He is not the only one that feels that way about you. You have a lot of good insight but you present it in a way that puts others down and elevates yourself. You take a lot of the fun out of this forum with your behavior. It seems that no one can make a comment without you showing them that they are wrong. Not very fun.
You make not like Thomas but his stock is really high right now. He may not be the playmaker that Berry is, but any other year he would be the #1ranked safety.
From everything I've heard this guy is an Andre Johnson clone...except for the maturity issues. If this guy was clean off the field he would be a top 5 pick.
What does everyone think of him?
Having read a recent article stating they couldn't get him to attend classes or practices on time, and that they essentially had to become an adult-babysitter just to keep him involved in things, I say there's zero chance we take him at 7.
There's always the "glass is half-full" belief that a guy like Bryant can be brought around by NFL coaches and maturity. Sometimes that happens. But the glass "half-empty" viewpoint asks what happens to a person like Bryant when they suddenly have $10 millions dollars deposited into their checking account overnight?
Bryant has serious question marks, and after the issues Holmgren had with Koren Robinson, I don't see him taking a receiver with those kinds of issues #1.
I'm no longer interested in Bryant at 7.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
Haven't seen this guy's name around here, but there is a bit of a buzz growing. Can you say Cribbs 2.0? Had a ridiculous workout after not even being invited to the combine.
I saw him a bit during the Senior Bowl week. I would take him as an undrafted free agent but nothing else. He couldn't run any routes and dropped tons of passes.
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