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I'm not saying we won't draft Claussen, but telling him he's "not ruled out" doesn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement to me.  JMHO
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I also read that MH wasn't at Clausen's pro day but heard this rumor that they talked after his workout later that same day. Contradictory stuff.
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Holmgren is not drafting Clausen... He is completely over hyped...
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I'm not saying we won't draft Claussen, but telling him he's "not ruled out" doesn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement to me.
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WATCH ESPN Thursday at 7:00PM. Gruden's QB Camp will have Bradford/Clausen...
Two NFL experts praise Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen, who could be there for Browns at No. 7
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
April 13, 2010, 7:42PM
Jimmy ClausenFormer Notre Dame quarterack Jimmy Clausen visited the Browns last week and could be available to them at No. 7. Question is, do they like him enough to draft him?
CLEVELAND -- Former NFL quarterback Ron Jaworski and former NFL head coach Jon Gruden both gushed today about Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who visited the Browns sometime before his pro day last week and could be available to the team at No. 7 overall in next week's draft.
Gruden has spent hours with Clausen for his quarterback series on ESPN and Jaworski has studied him on film. During a pre-draft conference call, the two Monday Night Football analysts couldn't praise Clausen enough.
"Yeah, there’s very little not to like about Jimmy Clausen,'' said Jaworski. "When you watch him play, he wants the ball in his hands. He’s LeBron James. He's Michael Jordan. With a game on the line, he wants to make the difference in the football game. So he clearly projects to me to be an outstanding National Football League quarterback, and I believe he’s only scratched the surface.''
Browns President Mike Holmgren said during the NFL owners meetings that he wished he liked Clausen more, but former Browns general manager Mike Lombardi, who now runs nationalfootballpost.com, recently reported that sources told him Holmgren has warmed to Clausen since the quarterback's visit to Cleveland -- and even told him he hasn't ruled him out as the Browns' first-round pick.
Gruden, who worked under Holmgren as an offensive assistant for three years in Green Bay, likes Clausen's comeback ability.
"I like the way this guy brings his football team back every Saturday,'' said Gruden. "He’s just a junior. He’s got a great football pedigree. He’s tough as heck, and he plays his best football in the fourth quarter when the games are tight or they’re behind.''
The major difference between Clausen and former Browns and Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, according to some insiders, is accuracy even though statistically they weren't that far apart in college. Clausen completed 62.6 percent of his passes at Notre Dame, and Quinn was at 59.9 percent.
The Rams (No. 1), Redskins (No. 4) and Seahawks (No. 6) have all worked him out privately, and Clausen's coach at Notre Dame, Charlie Weis, is now offensive coordinator of the Chiefs, who have the fifth overall pick.
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I dont want a QB who can come back, in other words play an entire half okay, and finally warm up in the 2nd half.. I want a QB who can come out in the 1st quarter and dominate and destroy...
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I'm fine with Clausen as our 7th, but if we start expecting anybody we draft to be Lebron James, the fan reaction could be bad...
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Clausen's segment with Gruden hints at a leadership flaw
Posted by Mike Florio on April 15, 2010 10:07 AM ET
We've been fascinated by Jon Gruden's recent segments with the 2010 elite quarterback prospects, even though we realize that Gruden is treating the effort as part of his broader plan to eventually get back into the NFL -- and with maximum options and leverage when he's ready to make the jump. (Indeed, that's the real reason he's so positive about every team, owner, and player when he's on the air, and we'd have a ton of extra respect for him if he'd simply admit it.)
The latest snippet being played on the SportsCenter cycle features Gruden working with Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen. And it contains an arguable example of Clausen demonstrating the kind of leadership hiccup that some have pinned onto his portfolio.
Breaking down an ugly interception thrown by Clausen against North Carolina, where the only man around was wearing a powder blue jersey, Gruden asked Clausen what happened on the play.
Said Clausen, "So we got 50 hitch read called, and I gave [the receiver] a signal telling him to run a fade."
"Didn't get it?" Gruden said.
"He got it, [but] he just kept [the original route] on," Clausen said.
Undercarriage of bus? Meet Notre Dame receiver.
On camera, Gruden seemed to measure his words carefully but he still made the unmistakable point that in this situation the blame falls to the quarterback. Off camera, we're hoping that Gruden pulled Clausen aside and said, "Look, Jimmy. You're already getting killed by Todd McShay for having leadership and maturity issues. When you publicly blame your receiver for something that ultimately was your responsibility, you give guys like McShay something tangible to point to. You never publicly blame your teammate like that, not right after the game or six months later or six years later. And if he told you that he saw the hand signal but that for whatever reason he chose to ignore it, then you resolve the situation in house -- and you take the responsibility for not giving the guy a clear signal, for not being sure that he got it, or for not having the kind of relationship with your receiver where that he'd never dare do anything other than what you tell him to do."
And, no, we don't know whether Gruden said anything like that. But if he's really trying to help the players and not simply himself, he sure as hell should have.
Regardless, the show airs tonight on ESPN at 7:00 p.m. ET. And the DVR already has been programmed to capture it.
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Though I like Clausen much more than Quinn when coming out of college, I still view the situations as the same: Taking the QB with our first pick is a big reach as neither player is/was worthy of being taken that high.
The bottom of the first round for Clausen? Ok, but at #7? No freakin' way.
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. And it contains an arguable example of Clausen demonstrating the kind of leadership hiccup that some have pinned onto his portfolio.
C'Mon Man..................... 
Under the bus???...I call it callin' it like it IS...
How do u sugarcoat that one???...The wideout flat out MISSED it... 
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Under the bus???...I call it callin' it like it IS...
How do u sugarcoat that one???...The wideout flat out MISSED it...
Clausen specifically said that the WR got it, but kept the original route on.
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Clausen specifically said that the WR got it, but kept the original route on.
let's say that is true. doesn't that show poor leadership on Clausen that his own WR won't listen to him?
and, of course, worse leadership that he's calling him out on it.
Clausen definitely isn't the brightest crayon in box.
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You have to think a team is will be willing to trade up to take Jimmy Clausen if he is there and Eric Berry is gone. Holmgren seems pretty set in his ways on developing overlooked QBs and Heckert has a history in Philly for using first round picks on o-line and d-line.
Just looking at the age and uncertainty of our D-line. I see us taking Jared Odrick... If he is the second coming of Richard Seymour then I wouldn't be opposed to taking him at 7! Crazier things have happened.
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How do u sugarcoat that one???...The wideout flat out MISSED it...
Ah, but that's the problem, isn't it?
In private, sure, call it like it is, but that's what being a leader is all about.
When I have a problem with one of my employees, do I get them behind closed doors in private to address the issue, or do I pull them out into the middle of the hotel and blast them in front of everyone?
That's the point.
Clausen isn't smart enough to know when to take the high-road. Instead of playing the "team" concept by sharing the blame or simply calling it a "failure in communication" he played the "It wasn't me, it was him!" concept and put all the blame on the receiver.
Those are subtleties that Clausen is too dumb to get, which is nothing more than a continuation of the concerns which have dogged him for several years.
I think what's more damning isn't the fact that he said what he said, but rather he said it in spite of the fact that this has been a known problem of his for years, and that SURELY "Team Clausen" have been trying to fix in order to get him drafted higher.
Yet he still sticks his foot in his mouth.
It's one thing to make a mistake. It's another to be unable to fix a known problem.
This is a smaller, less-damning problem than the idiot prospect who fails a pot test KNOWING he's going to get tested, yet still smokes. Such a thing indicates a real problem, and such a problem is why I don't much care for Clausen.
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I agree Toad. IMO, the focal point of the team, someone like the QB, should put himself out there to take as much blame as he can. WR runs the wrong route? Say it was your fault. O-line is a sieve? Say you need to recognize pressure and get the ball out quicker.
Now, behind closed doors, you let guys know what the heck is going on. But in public, you NEVER put any kind of blame, no matter how small, on someone else. You heap it on yourself, at the very least.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/04/nfl_networks_mayock_if_browns.htmlNFL Network's Mayock: If Browns want a QB in this draft, Jimmy Clausen is best choice By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer April 14, 2010, 11:53PM BEREA, Ohio -- NFL Network draft expert Mike Mayock thinks the Browns should take Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen at No. 7 if they're sold on his character. "I do think he has the physical skill-set to be a top 10 pick the draft, similar to [Jets rookie] Mark Sanchez," Mayock said on a conference call Wednesday. "The question is what kind of kid is he? If you buy into him, work ethic, toughness and leadership, there's no reason not to take him. He's every bit as talented as Sanchez." Mayock said he thinks Clausen, who visited the Browns last week, is "in play as a potential consideration for the Browns at No. 7. He's more in play [there] than I would've thought a couple of weeks ago." Mayock said he was "highly impressed with [Clausen's] workout. What I saw on tape was impressive, and what I saw in person was just as impressive if not more so. He has significant arm strength and very good accuracy." He said the major difference between Clausen and former Browns quarterback Brady Quinn -- who also learned the pro-style offense under then Irish coach Charlie Weis -- is throwing ability. "I always felt like Brady Quinn had trouble throwing the football,'" he said. "He pushed it. Brady Quinn was a big strong guy that was not a natural thrower of the ball. That's the exact way I put it on this conference call a few years ago. He's not a natural thrower. I liked him because he had great work ethic and football means a lot to him, but I think he has to work at it. I don't think he's been given an honest evaluation yet, so it will be interesting to see what he does out in Denver." Clausen's leadership skills have been criticized by draft experts such as ESPN's Todd McShay, but Mayock said, "I think teams are peeling away the onion to the point where they're comfortable with him, with his work ethic and leadership. Don't forget, he was voted a captain by his teammates last August. I think he's going to go somewhere between 7 and 17 and I think he's got the ability and makeup to be a good starting quarterback in the NFL." Mayock said the seventh pick is probably too early to take Florida cornerback Joe Haden or a defensive tackle. He thinks Tennessee safety Eric Berry will be there, but maintains that Texas' Earl Thomas is the premier safety in the draft and the most instinctive one he's seen in at least six years. Mayock maintains that Oklahoma State receiver Dez Bryant would be a good fit for the Browns -- despite reportedly being frequently late to team meetings and games, and has some of the same tendencies as former Browns receiver Braylon Edwards. Mayock argues that Eric Mangini's two mentors, Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, took chances on players with character issues as long as the locker room was strong enough to handle it. Case in point: Parcells just traded for Broncos troubled receiver Brandon Marshall. Mayock insists that Bryant is a top five talent and too good to fall past No. 14. Mayock also likes Clemson running back C.J. Spiller at No. 7 because of his versatility and production -- 52 career touchdowns, including 21 of 50 yards or more. He said anyone "struggling to manufacture yardage" shouldn't pass up Spiller. He also said he thinks the Browns would move down from No. 7 "in a heartbeat if they could."
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I remember Peyton Manning calling out his line after a game.
Dan Marino used to scream at his teammates all the time.
Not everybody is a lollipops and rainbows kind of leader.
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I remember Peyton Manning calling out his line after a game.
Dan Marino used to scream at his teammates all the time.
Not everybody is a lollipops and rainbows kind of leader.
no issue screaming at teammates if that is how best to get through to them (part of being a leader is figuring that out with each individual).
and peyton's "we had protection problems" line was directly after a heart-breaking loss to the steelers in the playoffs. clausen said this months after the play in a pretty friendly environment where he knew he was being judged based on exactly what he was saying.
i just don't think clausen is very smart for having said it. cutler is an idiot too whne you see his interviews and he had a few good years in denver, so being socially intelligent is not a requirement to be a good QB by any means.
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I remember Peyton Manning calling out his line after a game.
Dan Marino used to scream at his teammates all the time.
Not everybody is a lollipops and rainbows kind of leader.
While I don't agree with Manning doing that, when you're a guy like Peyton Manning, maybe you can get away with it.
And Marino yelling at his teammates is different than throwing them under the bus.
For example, if Michael Jordan in his prime came out and said something bad about a teammate, you almost say "well, he's Michael Jordan. He CAN say those things."
But Jimmy Clausen ain't there yet.
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My point is, others have overcome their apparent lack of respect for their teammates and been good QBs. I think you guys are blowing this issue up more than it deserves. Marino was a total ass and still is. I would call in sick to work to watch him play though. Clausen pisses a lot of people off, but his love for the game is going to overcome that. Teammates will respect his dedication, toughness and passion. You guys questioning his intelligence is a little misleading, as football wise that is one of his best traits. Other teams will hate the hell out of him. Heh. I hope to hear Steeler fans cry about our a-hole QB for years. 
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I remember Peyton Manning calling out his line after a game.
Dan Marino used to scream at his teammates all the time.
Not everybody is a lollipops and rainbows kind of leader.
U might just GET IT...I love this CHIT... 
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And Marino yelling at his teammates is different than throwing them under the bus.
What's the difference???...Splain this one to us...
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I remember Peyton Manning calling out his line after a game.
Dan Marino used to scream at his teammates all the time.
Not everybody is a lollipops and rainbows kind of leader.
The difference between them and Clausen was that they had already established themselves as leaders by producing on the field.
Remember when Anderson tried to say something to some of his guys but they ignored him?
Remember when Quinn would get on his teammates and they'd ignore him?
That's the difference between guys who have EARNED respect versus guys who haven't. That respect is earned on the field.
And that leads me back to one of my biggest beef's with Clausen, which is something I've said before here: If Clausen comes out and doesn't have good success early, he stands a very good chance of alienating his teammates just the way Quinn did.
From everything I've seen of him, heard out of him, and having read his own quotes, he's kind of an idiot. If he doesn't figure it out quickly, he's the next JP Losman. That's too big a risk for the 7th pick in the entire draft.
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You're making my point for me, Toad.
Quinn and Anderson sucked and nobody respected them.
When JC takes the field and produces, nobody is going to care about this stuff.
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Thought this was interesting. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/15/heckert-browns-have-spoken-to-rams-about-top-pick/Heckert: Browns have spoken to Rams about top pick Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 15, 2010 12:58 PM ET The Browns want you to know they are open to all draft day possibilities at quarterback. Speaking at his pre-draft press conference, G.M. Tom Heckert said the team has talked to the Rams about possibly trading up for Sam Bradford, according to Mark Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. "We're playing a little phone tag,'' said Heckert. "But we've talked to them.'' Before anyone gets carried away, the Browns said they've talked to every team in front of them. President Mike Holmgren cautioned the cost of moving up would likely be prohibitive. "In the real world, we're probably going to go in a different direction," Holmgren said. One direction Cleveland could go, the team says, is Jimmy Clausen. Holmgren says not to read much into his previous statement that he wish he liked Clausen more. "I would not read too much into that statement,'' said Holmgren. "Prior to the draft, I'll say any number of things for any number of reasons. When Jimmy came in, we talked about that little statement. I'm not going to tell you why [I said it]. I had my reasons and we'll leave it at that.'' So basically don't listen to anything decision makers say preceding the draft. Got it, thanks.
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I didn't know you didn't understand the difference.
Yelling at someone means yelling AT them.
Throwing someone under the bus means talking ABOUT them, but not TO them.
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From my standpoint, from what I've seen, this sums up my overall feelings on Claussen far more than anything I've read......
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Clausen has questions to answer
Clausen's pro day the last QB showcase of 2010 after others have impressed scouts
By Todd McShay
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Pro days are very much overrated as part of the NFL draft process and too much significance is often attached to what prospects do during scripted workouts in familiar settings.
However, 2010 has been a little different because all of the top quarterback prospects on the board came into their individual workouts with something to prove. Tim Tebow was showcasing a completely retooled delivery, Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy had to prove there were no lingering issues from shoulder injuries, and Jimmy Clausen is looking to prove on Friday that he is progressing well following toe surgery.
Much has been made of the concerns about Clausen's maturity, leadership and overall intangibles. Some feel those concerns are blown out of proportion or are altogether nonexistent, and that may well be true for a handful of people in the NFL, but no matter your stance on Clausen's character there are significant questions about his physical abilities after you look at the tape.
Look, Clausen is our No. 2 quarterback and there are a lot of things we like about him. He is perhaps the most NFL-ready passer in this year's draft after playing in Charlie Weis' system at Notre Dame, he understands reading coverages while dropping from under center, shows toughness in the pocket and is accurate on throws outside the hashes and in short-to-intermediate areas of the field.
Clausen has improved as much as any quarterback over the last two seasons and has the tools to develop into a starter in the NFL, but the negatives we see on film do raise some red flags.
His arm velocity is good but Clausen really gears up when trying to put something extra on the ball. He dips down a bit and tries to get extra torque from his hips, which has improved his arm strength but is a flaw NFL defenders will pick up on and exploit in a way college players could not.
And while Clausen stands 6-foot-2⅝, that dip in his delivery also means he sometimes does not stand as tall in the pocket as he could. That comes into play when he is trying to throw over his offensive linemen, though the vast majority of his throws in college were to the outside so the effect of that flaw was negated somewhat.
Next is the way Clausen often throws passes up for grabs into double coverage, often down the middle of the field but also when throwing on the run. One rebuttal to this concern is that Clausen was taught to throw with arc and put air under the ball, but it is a trend that shows up time after time on film, allowing defenders to break up passes.
Finally, it might seem like no big deal, but Clausen tied for the smallest hand span among quarterbacks at the combine at just 9 inches. The Washington tape from 2009 offers up evidence of the impact that has on his game. Late in the game as the field became soaked and the ball was constantly wet, Clausen had a hard time gripping it and some throws were affected. That brings up concerns about accuracy and ball security in bad weather, which is one of the reasons we feel Buffalo (No. 9 overall) might not be the best fit for him.
Overall, we give Clausen an early second-round grade based on the positives in his game, but he would grade out higher if not for the questions listed above. We at Scouts Inc. are not biased against Clausen but we do feel the negatives in his game, both from a physical and mental standpoint, are such that he is not a first-rounder in our opinion.
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The difference between them and Clausen was that they had already established themselves as leaders by producing on the field.
Come again "Tadpole"...
Not sure how old u r...I lived in Miami in the 80's...Yep...Marino 80's...
Marino was like Clausen the DAY HE GOT DRAFTED...Established???...Please...
Take another direction chief... 
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I'll say this DID, I don't like Clausen and I hope we don't draft him in any round, let alone in the 1st.
Do I have any real reason other than I just don't like the kid? No, not really. I haven't watched him enough to say that he won't make it.
But I'll be honest and say there's just something about him that bothers me.
That being said, if we draft him and he pans out and excels, I'll eat all the crow you can put in front of me.
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Thanks, Pit. I like debating a player's ability a lot more than this other bunch of hooey.
Personally, my only red flag on JC is small hands. Like McShay says, he might be better off on a dome team than in CLE or BUF where the weather is bad.
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Yup, those are some of the things I've talked about for months. Being a body-thrower means he has to wind-up to get the ball down the field. Small hands are always a problem for guys in bad weather, which was one of my huge peeves with Frye. And Quinn showed us just how useless being in Weis's system is when talking in terms of being "NFL-ready."
Now I will say while I had Quinn as a second rounder, I do have Clausen as a late 1st, so I think more of him than Scouts Inc does, and I'm usually right on board with them.
DIND, Marino had one of the great years of all time............as a rookie. When you have success early, you can be whatever you want, but if you don't come out playing well, you end up like JP Losman. Quinn had some of the same attitude that Clausen has, though he was smart enough to know how to disguise it. That attitude turned people off and because he didn't have success early, it ultimately was a big negative. Following in Quinn's footsteps is not a positive for Clausen whether people think it's fair or not because of all the similarities.
Hooter, Glad I could help!  I fully agree that if Clausen plays well it won't matter about his attitude, but if he doesn't come out gunning, he's in trouble.
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I have reservations with Clausen based on his hand size. Most QB's have huge hands, ones in the league that don't: Alex Smith and Rex Grossman. Especially playing in Cleveland could provide issues with holding the ball.
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NFL Network draft expert Mike Mayock thinks the Browns should take Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen at No. 7 if they're sold on his character.
"I do think he has the physical skill-set to be a top 10 pick the draft, similar to [Jets rookie] Mark Sanchez," Mayock said on a conference call Wednesday. "The question is what kind of kid is he? If you buy into him, work ethic, toughness and leadership, there's no reason not to take him. He's every bit as talented as Sanchez."
Mayock said he thinks Clausen, who visited the Browns last week, is "in play as a potential consideration for the Browns at No. 7. He's more in play [there] than I would've thought a couple of weeks ago."
Mayock said he was "highly impressed with [Clausen's] workout. What I saw on tape was impressive, and what I saw in person was just as impressive if not more so. He has significant arm strength and very good accuracy."
He said the major difference between Clausen and former Browns quarterback Brady Quinn -- who also learned the pro-style offense under then Irish coach Charlie Weis -- is throwing ability.
"I always felt like Brady Quinn had trouble throwing the football,'" he said. "He pushed it. Brady Quinn was a big strong guy that was not a natural thrower of the ball. That's the exact way I put it on this conference call a few years ago. He's not a natural thrower. I liked him because he had great work ethic and football means a lot to him, but I think he has to work at it. I don't think he's been given an honest evaluation yet, so it will be interesting to see what he does out in Denver."
I think MH pulls the trigger if Jimmy is there at 7 unless he can get a LOT of value my moving back. I just don't think he drafts a safety at 7.
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Yea, my take is, broadly, that a guy should be able to palm a basketball to really have good security of the football with one hand.
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The reason i don't like the character argument is that there aren't any bad events in his past. He isn't a legal liability, is coachable, and loves the game. Being kind of a punk is inconsequential insomuch as if he isn't very good, it's one more thing against him, but then again, if he is a crappy QB his social skills will be the least of his worries anyway.
I get the feeling I just think the guy is a better player on the field than you do.
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I have reservations with Clausen based on his hand size. Most QB's have huge hands, ones in the league that don't: Alex Smith and Rex Grossman. Especially playing in Cleveland could provide issues with holding the ball.
Funny thing you mentioned Claussen and Grossman in the same sentence. lol
Herm Edwards just compared Jimmy Clausen to Rex Grossman in a segment on “NFL Live" today.
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If I was Jimmy Clausen I would sue Herm Edwards.
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Not the way Herm covered his butt on that matter! When they asked how he thought they were similar, he commented on both QB's "being cerebral".
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