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But considering we used a first round pick to get Quinn and got essentially something slightly better than nothing I question the timing of the move.
Say all you want about how bad Quinn may be or how good Delhomme might be but you just get the feeling that Holmgren didn't handle this one very well.
When was the timing going to be better?
Fell like a rock in the draft, had a hard time beating people out, flat out sucked when he got onto the field ...
...unless you're banking on the notion of him somehow lighting it up and defying every indication of his worth that we have seen in both college and the pros ... when is the timing going to be better?
I was saying I'd be ecstatic if we got a fourth for him ... Hillis and two late rounders is a pretty good feeling.
And as far him being a first rounder ... irrelevant. Wimbley was a first rounder ... we got a third. Edwards was a Top 3 ... third and a fifth.
The first round label doesn't mean a thing.
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Interesting quip I just from read from Daniel Jeremiah who used to be one of our scouts.
"I would imagine Lawrence Vickers will be the next Brown to get traded. One of the best lead FBs in the league. Not a perfect west coast FB".
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Phil, I realize you are an expert on almost everything but do you really think if we had traded him say, 2 weeks ago we wouldn't have gotten more than we did today?
Hell, once we paid Delhomme $7 million everyone in the NFL knew they could get Brady for next to nothing if they acted before training camp claimed it's toll on some QBs.
A Fullback for a former #1 pick, no matter what you think of him, is a steal for Denver pretty much anyway you look at it.
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Tulsa once a player is drafted you can no longer look at thier draft status...I mean does anyone really care that Tom Brady wasn't a first round QB? Its in the past and there's nothing you can do, its like a sunk cost in fiance.
Also Peyton Hillis i view as a RB/FB tweener who will see short-yardage situations and will be our primary pass catching FB. Apparently Holmgren and Co though Lenard Weaver was worth a 2nd pick so getting a RB/FB tweener was important to them. I think we got a poor man's Lenard weaver and certainly didn't give up 2nd round value for him.
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I really don't buy it though. He may be right, but again, I defer to Mack Strong in Seattle. He did nothing but block.
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Tulsa once a player is drafted you can no longer look at thier draft status...I mean does anyone really care that Tom Brady wasn't a first round QB? Its in the past and there's nothing you can do, its like a sunk cost in fiance.
Sure I can, other than knowing he sucked for us, it's all we have go on... 
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Phil, I realize you are an expert on almost everything but do you really think if we had traded him say, 2 weeks ago we wouldn't have gotten more than we did today?
Not in the slightest.
He had little to no value to begin with. Fifth or a sixth ... fourth if we got lucky.
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Hell, once we paid Delhomme $7 million everyone in the NFL knew they could get Brady for next to nothing if they acted before training camp claimed it's toll on some QBs.
Everyone in the NFL knew they could get Quinn for next to nothing before we signed Delhomme.
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A Fullback for a former #1 pick, no matter what you think of him, is a steal for Denver pretty much anyway you look at it.
Actually, there's several ways to look at it ... my way of looking at it is that Denver traded a minor cog and some late picks for a bum who has a slim change of upgrading their woeful QB situation.
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Denver runs the kind of offense perfect for Quinn and gets a franchise QB for nothing. This is a PR nightmare in that what Mike Holmgren has at QB, an aging jake delhomme with a weakened arm against fast, super agressive, AFC north defenses. makes me all warm and fuzzy. Just when I hope No One would give the browns anything for Quinn and Cleveland brass would be saved from their own stupidity, they manage to limbo BELOW Nothing in this three beans for a cow trade.
Denver gets a guy who will send Kyle Orton to the bench. Quinn gets an offense tailored to his skills, great offensive talent and a Coach that desperately wanted him last year and STOLE him this year. Furthermore when, not If, Quinn does well mangini loses all credibility and fan goodwill. Mike, I cannot assess a QB until I have two years of film now has his street cred of I know Qbs held in question.
he proved that was true in SF, in GB, and seattle but in cleveland he is starting anew and what he did YESTERDAY means far less than what he does TODAY for Cleveland.
Today he blew it. Mike Holmgren blew it Big Time. He is left us with an aging weak armed, interception prone QB in a division of hard nosed fast flying aggressive defenses and DISASTER is what this spells. then he has the truly average seneca wallace to prove whether he has the mettle to start against the best defenses in the NFL. and Quinnin Denver, has great offensive talent, a bright offensive head coach, a good oline, a top TE, excellent running and plays against a division division of average defenses. Quinn has the table set to excel and in Cleveland we are heading straight for an ice berg.
With Denver we had "the drive" which I witnessed in the Dog pound. We had the fumble now we have "the trade'. This will be such a huge PR nightmare that Both Homlgren and mangini could go up in flames together. Remember the credentials hall of famer Joe Gibbs had in washington? well, luckily he was voted into the hallbefore Joe Gibbs act 2 where the redskins stunk. Holmgrens credentials are Yesterdays accomplishments, what he did today will haunt him and Bdrowns fans will not let him forget it. I feel like i want to Vomit my dinner.
And we got NOTHIN in return. As forrest gump says "stupid is as stupid does" and my fellow dog pounders, we , in Cleveland, remain stuck on stupid..
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Tell us have you really feel...  Also maybe you should wait before the season is over to put BQ in the Pro Bowl and Delhomme in the gutter.
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Denver runs the kind of offense perfect for Quinn and gets a franchise QB for nothing. This is a PR nightmare in that what Mike Holmgren has at QB, an aging jake delhomme with a weakened arm against fast, super agressive, AFC north defenses. makes me all warm and fuzzy. Just when I hope No One would give the browns anything for Quinn and Cleveland brass would be saved from their own stupidity, they manage to limbo BELOW Nothing in this three beans for a cow trade.
Denver gets a guy who will send Kyle Orton to the bench. Quinn gets an offense tailored to his skills, great offensive talent and a Coach that desperately wanted him last year and STOLE him this year. Furthermore when, not If, Quinn does well mangini loses all credibility and fan goodwill. Mike, I cannot assess a QB until I have two years of film now has his street cred of I know Qbs held in question.
he proved that was true in SF, in GB, and seattle but in cleveland he is starting anew and what he did YESTERDAY means far less than what he does TODAY for Cleveland.
Today he blew it. Mike Holmgren blew it Big Time. He is left us with an aging weak armed, interception prone QB in a division of hard nosed fast flying aggressive defenses and DISASTER is what this spells. then he has the truly average seneca wallace to prove whether he has the mettle to start against the best defenses in the NFL. and Quinnin Denver, has great offensive talent, a bright offensive head coach, a good oline, a top TE, excellent running and plays against a division division of average defenses. Quinn has the table set to excel and in Cleveland we are heading straight for an ice berg.
With Denver we had "the drive" which I witnessed in the Dog pound. We had the fumble now we have "the trade'. This will be such a huge PR nightmare that Both Homlgren and mangini could go up in flames together. Remember the credentials hall of famer Joe Gibbs had in washington? well, luckily he was voted into the hallbefore Joe Gibbs act 2 where the redskins stunk. Holmgrens credentials are Yesterdays accomplishments, what he did today will haunt him and Bdrowns fans will not let him forget it. I feel like i want to Vomit my dinner.
And we got NOTHIN in return. As forrest gump says "stupid is as stupid does" and my fellow dog pounders, we , in Cleveland, remain stuck on stupid..
No Joe..You seem to be the only one stuck here..We did not trade a franchise QB..we traded a horrid QB. Plain and simple. Good Job Holmgren/Heckert/Mangini..things are looking up.
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This will be better for Quinn.
But considering we used a first round pick to get Quinn and got essentially something slightly better than nothing I question the timing of the move.
Say all you want about how bad Quinn may be or how good Delhomme might be but you just get the feeling that Holmgren didn't handle this one very well.
I don't get that feeling at all Otto....and where have you been????
I would say we cut our losses and washed out hands. People who ride out a loser stock,...well....lose.
You can lose little, or you can lose big.
Losing does offer choices.
Everybody like to ride a winner, but dumping a loser early is pretty important as well.
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j/c
I think people here will regret calling Hillis "basically nothing."
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Supposedly the picks are a 6th rounder in 2011 and a late rounder in 2012.
I heard it was for a six-pack of Bud Light & a bag of chips! I would have rather had us trade BQ & a couple of picks for Brandon Marshall! Even if Delhomme is decent...he has No number-1 receiver to throw to!!!  We have a #2 receiver & a slot receiver who can't get separation off the line of scrimmage. I don't see where our offense is gonna get Points! JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6384866/20459841?tag=comBlogEntryListCnt;entry20459841Quinn deal no surprise Posted on: March 14, 2010 6:05 pm Edited on: March 14, 2010 6:51 pmScore: 172Sign-up to rate:Sign-up to rate: Sign-up to rate: The Brady Quinn deal should have caught nobody by surprise, especially Brady Quinn. The minute Cleveland signed Jake Delhomme, Quinn was finished with the Browns. So Cleveland deals him to Denver where the Broncos probably discover what Cleveland did -- that Quinn is not a very accurate quarterback. Nevertheless, coach Josh McDaniels prides himself on working with quarterbacks, and if he can find something here that Cleveland did not then maybe, just maybe, Quinn has a chance. It's a long shot, but it shows that Denver is eager to find a young arm to challenge Kyle Orton. Plus, it didn't cost the Broncos much. McDaniels is close to former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis, and Weis loves Quinn. In all likelihood he sold his former pupil (the two were together at New England) on Quinn's smarts, telling him that he could be the perfect guy to run the Denver offense. If nothing else, he sold him on it being a risk worth taking because, given what you could find, the risk wasn't much. All I know is that for Cleveland to give up on the guy speaks volumes. Because he was from Ohio, he was popular with Browns' fans who desperately wanted him to succeed. Then there's team president Mike Holmgren, who has a history of developing young quarterbacks -- which should've boded well for Quinn. Plus there was an opening, with Seneca Wallace the only challenger before Delhomme arrived on the scene. I see where Wallace said he intends to be the starter, and that's great. Only if you've seen Seneca Wallace play quarterback he should never be the starter for anyone. No disrespect to Wallace, but as a quarterback he makes a better running back. Anyway, with all that on Quinn's side, he still couldn't make, and good luck in Denver. Maybe a change of scenery works in his favor ... but I doubt it. Listen, Cleveland needs a good young quarterback, but the Browns bailed on Quinn after only three seasons. I know this regime didn't draft him, but Holmgren isn't going to jettison young talent. He discarded Quinn, and he did it relatively quickly -- for a 35-year-old who was cut by Carolina and who has 9 touchdown passes and 23 interceptions over his last 12 starts. That tells me all I need to know about Quinn's future.
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So, does mean Vickers is gone?
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I think people here will regret calling Hillis "basically nothing."
I just looked at Hillis's stats on ESPN, maybe he's not "nothing", but he ain't much, stats wise anyway.
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The world is full of "draft experts".........and 1 in 10 times they are right.
For baseball fans, that translates into a guy batting .100. Not all that good really.
Quinn is gone. His chance of success - success worthy of a number 1 pick is low. If he makes it, he succeeded. My bet is he won't. The world is full of great looking people. The world is not full of people that can actually make reads and throw accurate balls.
Draft "experts", or even "player evaluator " experts - they're a dime a dozen.
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Probably because McDaniels doesn't use a FB. Look at his 2008 stats.
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Please tell me what you have seen in the last three years that says Brady Quinn is a franchise QB?
Please...he had more than enough chances in practice and in games to shows us what his skills: very poor accuracy (especially on medium to long throws), average arm strength (and that's being nice), decent mobility (but he's no Mike Nick), poor pocket awareness, and he is very poor when going through his progressions. He's above-average at running a no huddle. Plus, I don't think the other players see him as a leader.
If BQ was a franchise QB, he wouldn't be getting traded right now, and that's all there is to it. No more excuses...
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I think people here will regret calling Hillis "basically nothing."
I agree with you,,
I'm going to save all of AkronJoes posts in case I either need to apologize or give him one of these..... 
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Probably because McDaniels doesn't use a FB. Look at his 2008 stats.
He doesn't and Bronco fans are even saying that given the touches the guy will be strong!
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Many Broncos fans I've read from have said that they would be pissed if McDaniels was going to use Hillis. Since he didn't use Hillis, they think it's basically backup for backup.
Also, FWIW, he's a pretty good special teams player along with being a good RB.
you had a good run Hank.
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Probably because McDaniels doesn't use a FB. Look at his 2008 stats.
I looked, I yawned, I moved on...
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Probably because McDaniels doesn't use a FB. Look at his 2008 stats.
Smart guy....fullbacks are useless....just line up a reserve guard if you want blocking....really...and I am not a draft expert.
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Strong running game. Pass when you have too.
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Just because they traded Brady Quinn?
Hilarity.
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Been here all along. Why, where do you think I've been?
Look, back in the day I would not have traded for Quinn. I was happy with Joe Thomas that day and didn't feel we needed to trade up to get BQ.
But we did. And when we did we should have made a decision to use him. That we used (or should I say misused) him the way we did lead as much to his poor performances as his personal deficiencies did, IMO.
Am I sad he's gone? No, not really. Although, I'm sure Diam is nearly suicidal today, I'm fairly ambivalent. I think it may have been a mistake in the long run and I still think had we traded him earlier or held on to him until training camp we could have gotten more for him but that is just water under the bridge at this point.
One last thing on Quinn's treatment while here.....and don't take this the wrong way........but knowing how you feel about Tebow I speculate that had this been Timmy that got handled this way you'd be singing a much different tune.
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Your poetic prose would be more at home in a romance novel then here in a football mb.
I was anticipating something about his sweaty,muscled body glowing in the last half-light of training camp.
Oh,and Denver runs the same Ne stlye of offense Quinn attempted last year.
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Geesh,, I hate it when people hold back like that..why don't you tell us how you really feel.....
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I'm sad it didn't work out for Quinn, however I am happy to have Hillis. I think he's exactly the type of blue collar bruiser we have been calling for to pair with Harrison. So we got rid of a guy who wasn't in our plans and checked an item off of our shopping list. Not a bad move, IMO.
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Man, we gave away our 2008 draft to get him, and end up with basically 2 crappy picks and a FB.
I guess it's as good as can be expected. Kind of like when Savage didn't tender DA and signed him to a horrible extension, then end up getting crap in return.
Ahhh well, this is why we always struggle. Hopefully, we use THESE picks to draft guys who WILL help us out.
It doesn't mean jack having 12 picks if we don't hit on them.
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