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MH. pulls the trigger on a QB. in the third or fifth round ?? Don't you dare say the fourth 
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I agree. People tend to overvalue browns players, and Wimp was as overvalued as they come.
The other thing that some folks do is to assume that if a guy was a 1st round pick, that when you trade him, getting anything less than a 1st is like getting ripped off.
The two aren't related at all.,
In our case, Edwards, KW, Wimbley and Quinn, all first round picks, weren't worth any more than what we got for them...
Buyers set the price,, something is only worth what someone will pay for it. Not sure why that concept is so hard for some to grasp?
Buyers only set the price if the SELLER is desperate enough to make the trade.
lets go back to the Winslow trade. TB got a probowl TE and our TE( Royal was a Joke extraordinaire), we got a#2 pick which we turned into a LB that never saw the field( Viekune). Trading KNOWN commodities for lottery tickets s a risky Venture. the raiders got a solid not great starter for a late third rounder...a STEAL in my books. We got a late third lottery ticket to hope to get a competent player, which if we are damned lucky may possibly start, and if we are really lucky, contribute as much as Wimbley. I see this trade only with a chance of being better than the winslow deals because Dumb and Dumber( mangini kokinis) will not be drafting. 
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Buyers only set the price if the SELLER is desperate enough to make the trade.
Not true,, what a player is worth is determined by what price they can get for him..
The Browns wanted to move Wimbley.. they shopped him, the best offer they got was the raiders..
That's as obvious as you having a food fetish 
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I see this trade only with a chance of being better than the winslow deals because Dumb and Dumber( mangini kokinis) will not be drafting.
all together now:
1. Winslow was traded because he wanted a big fat new contract and was going to leave us if we didn't give him one (he is now the highest paid TE in the NFL)
2. We got a 2nd round pick despite that the other team was giving up draft picks AND had to give him such a huge deal. That is good value (you can go off on how that pick was used if you would like, but a 2nd round pick has value).
3. The Browns (rightfully IMO) decided they did not want to give such a big longterm deal to a player who has battled such major injuries.
Maybe this will help (considering how you see the world):
Winslow is sushi from a place that has had major health code violations. Sure, they say that they cleaned that place up and sushi can be real good when done right, but are you going to keep going back there for the next few years knowing how much you are risking food poisoning?
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To piggy back on the contract point, Wimbley also only has one year left on his contract.
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Look on the positive side, maybe we'll get a bologna sandwich out of this deal.
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And they took massaquoi with the pick from Tampa. Veikune was the waste of our #5 move-down with the jets. Massaquoi was our leading wideout last year, not that that's saying a lot.
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Massaquoi was good last year. As a rookie in a crappy offense with crappy QB's he got 624 yards and 3 TD's.
I don't know if you were saying Massaquoi or not. I just want to point out that he wasn't bad.
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Yeah I was just straightening out akronjoe'z story who said we turned winslow into veikune.
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