I would have been OK if we traded Quinn for an actual ham sammich. Whether or not Quinn succeeds in Denver is irrelevant.....he sucked for us and did nothing to show he would improve. We got rid of a player that contributed nothing but crappy play on the field while being a huge media distraction and got something in return.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Oh come come on...I wasn't the ONLY one to think of it......LOL Damn...all this talk of Ham Sandwiches and Beer and food has got me hungry...be back after I have some breakfast....LOL
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
The RB situation is one that I'm not worried about at all going into this season - nor the Draft. If anything, I'm just curious as to how it will shake out. I still worry about Harrison's durability, but he's proven to me that he can get it done in the feature role if we need to use him there. Hillis is a more proven commodity than anything else, and that will leave Jennings & Davis to fight for that last spot.
It's going to be fun to watch as we've got four young runners all with some promise to them.
I type faster than I spell it never Dawned on me that I had Hillis dawn a uni and not Donn a uniform thanks for the correction a bit sloppy for not being more careful as my spelling can be even worse. I agree with you post. While I think Harrison can be a change up back I am not willing to pretend he can suddenly be DURABLE enough to shoulder the entire Load. I think Cribbs can also Complement and Davis, who knows what we have in him or Jennings in their cameos. i think it Hilarious insanity to mock Quinn in one breath and then in the next with a straight face take a back who gained 50 yards and have him being the next Jamal Lewis. WE need a pounder as we have many who fit the complementary role. I would HOPE Harrison can be the guy, but a history of nicks and other injuries tell a different story. good post, you put down the pom poms passed around in the cheering section. I love when people post their own vision without a need to parrot the consensus.
Nobody has Hillis as the next Jamal Lewis but everyone is excited by his potential because, unlike Brady Quinn, he's SHOWN some of it.
You like the 50 yard stat...but how about you look at the previous year when he got time at HB (where we will play him), collecting 530 all-purpose yards and 6 touchdowns in 7 games...in which only a few he was the starter.
Whereas Quinn has 10 touchdowns IN HIS CAREER.
Quinn has shown very little. Maybe Hillis hasn;t shown alot more but at least he fills a role here. The only thing Quinn filled was a spot on the bench or cornerback's hands with interceptions.
Holmgren may have been dropping a hint regarding a possible move up
Posted by Mike Florio on April 11, 2010 12:49 PM ET
We recently pointed out that Browns president Mike Holmgren arguably has been a bit too impulsive when it comes to his quarterbacks, giving up Brady Quinn for a cold turkey sandwich with wilted lettuce, trading for a career backup, and paying a king's ransom to a turnover machine instead of waiting for the Eagles to reduce their price tag for Donovan McNabb.
As one league insider explained in response, Holmgren's early moves aren't surprising, given that he spent 17 years as an NFL head coach. "By its very nature coaching is an emotional profession," the source said, "and impatience is more often driven by short-term emotion. . . . How can you ask a person whose short-term thought process is to 'win now' to have oversight of the idea to 'build for the future'? They can't do it. . . . They just can't help themselves."
But there could be evidence that Holmgren is making the transition to long-range planning. Howard Balzer of the St. Louis Globe-Democrat believes that Holmgren may have been dropping a hint via comments he made in the wake of the McNabb trade. "The only way I was going to take all those early draft picks in rounds 1, 2 and 3 and use them would be for a young draft choice that I thought could be the quarterback for the next 15 years," Holmgren said.
As Balzer sees it, Holmgren possibly was saying that he'd be inclined to give up the seventh overall pick, the 38th pick, the 85th pick, and the 92nd pick for an opportunity to trade up with the Rams and land Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford.
Under the outdated (specifically at the top) draft trade chart, this package of picks would justify landing somewhere between No. 2 and No. 3. Given that the first overall pick in 2010 will entail the largest rookie contract in the final year of the free money, that haul of picks should be enough to justify a swap.
The real questions are whether Holmgren was talking about Bradford, and whether the Rams would be interested.
There's another factor that should be considered in any such transaction. Bradford is represented by Tom Condon and Ben Dogra of CAA, and Condon/CAA haven't had a recent history of success with the Cleveland organization, starting with quarterback Tim Couch in 1999 and continuing with quarterback Brady Quinn in 2007.
So the Rams may want to trade down and the Browns may want to trade up, but Bradford's camp may want nothing to do with Cleveland, even with Holmgren at the helm.
Holmgren may have been dropping a hint regarding a possible move up
Posted by Mike Florio on April 11, 2010 12:49 PM ET
We recently pointed out that Browns president Mike Holmgren arguably has been a bit too impulsive when it comes to his quarterbacks, giving up Brady Quinn for a cold turkey sandwich with wilted lettuce, trading for a career backup, and paying a king's ransom to a turnover machine instead of waiting for the Eagles to reduce their price tag for Donovan McNabb.
As one league insider explained in response, Holmgren's early moves aren't surprising, given that he spent 17 years as an NFL head coach. "By its very nature coaching is an emotional profession," the source said, "and impatience is more often driven by short-term emotion. . . . How can you ask a person whose short-term thought process is to 'win now' to have oversight of the idea to 'build for the future'? They can't do it. . . . They just can't help themselves."
But there could be evidence that Holmgren is making the transition to long-range planning. Howard Balzer of the St. Louis Globe-Democrat believes that Holmgren may have been dropping a hint via comments he made in the wake of the McNabb trade. "The only way I was going to take all those early draft picks in rounds 1, 2 and 3 and use them would be for a young draft choice that I thought could be the quarterback for the next 15 years," Holmgren said.
As Balzer sees it, Holmgren possibly was saying that he'd be inclined to give up the seventh overall pick, the 38th pick, the 85th pick, and the 92nd pick for an opportunity to trade up with the Rams and land Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford.
Under the outdated (specifically at the top) draft trade chart, this package of picks would justify landing somewhere between No. 2 and No. 3. Given that the first overall pick in 2010 will entail the largest rookie contract in the final year of the free money, that haul of picks should be enough to justify a swap.
The real questions are whether Holmgren was talking about Bradford, and whether the Rams would be interested.
There's another factor that should be considered in any such transaction. Bradford is represented by Tom Condon and Ben Dogra of CAA, and Condon/CAA haven't had a recent history of success with the Cleveland organization, starting with quarterback Tim Couch in 1999 and continuing with quarterback Brady Quinn in 2007.
So the Rams may want to trade down and the Browns may want to trade up, but Bradford's camp may want nothing to do with Cleveland, even with Holmgren at the helm.
My thoughts exactly, just different meat. I think it unwise to take any QB represented by the incompetent Condom. 1) he had Tim Couch take totally delusional stance that he would not stand for a PAYCUT from 7.5 mil to 3.5 mil. ( any capable GM knew that was about 3 mil more than any ther team would pay that bum). So when he signed for $750,000 from GB and was CUT in the preseason and took some chump change. His career was over and Couch could count on his delusions fostered by his agent helping him out the door( as well as his play). next Condom held out Quinn when the palooka DA could not beat out Charlie Frye. Maybe Quinn gets to play early but the point is Condom did neither QB any favors.
Also Quinn doing well in Denver is vindication that with a solid head Coach that is willing to give him a fair shot at playing, success will prove a great vindication for Quinn, Also watching the inept play of Jake and Seneca will give Mangini the hot foot he richly deserves. I also expect the rash decision in Philly to dump Mcnabb could be felt here in Cleveland as Ried becomes an expendable scapegoat for the curious decision to trade a star to a rival in your division and hand the ball over a kid with TWO STARTS. So in a Domino rash effect, maybe we FINALLY get a TOP head Coach in 2011( wouldn't you know it would be our luck to have a hold out).
I would say many writers get some "ideas" as to what to address in their articles by looking at and reading more than one message board.
They need to write articles that the fans are interested in and that there is some disagreement on in order to sell papers, get hits on their web sites etc......
What better way to find such subjects than to look at message boards to see where the pulse of the fan base is at any given time?
jmho
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Quote: I would have been OK if we traded Quinn for an actual ham sammich. Whether or not Quinn succeeds in Denver is irrelevant.....he sucked for us and did nothing to show he would improve. We got rid of a player that contributed nothing but crappy play on the field while being a huge media distraction and got something in return.
Finally at the Official browns website in a teleconference with fans Holmgren uttered the words that made sense of the lopsided Quinn trade where he finally came out with a Coach and a QB have to like{respect} eachother or for the good of the team the player has to be moved. The trade made no sense. Now it does. the Ham sandwich analogy is over. The onus is not on Hillis but on the same one who made the bone head trade of Edwards, Winslow, hired his yes man Kokinis, threw him under the bus and stuck by the awful Anderson until the howls and threats of fan boycott and Quinn putting his house up for sale forced the little tyrant to play Quinn but his smile at quinn looked like a grimace.
Should Quinn play as well in Denver as i believe and Jake and Seneca be as horrid as I fear and Philly plummett to 7-9 for their fron office stupidity then the stars may align for a REAL COACH to come to Cleveland: Andy Reid. That is the rainbow I can hope for because the storm is NOT over.
Quote: We recently pointed out that Browns president Mike Holmgren arguably has been a bit too impulsive when it comes to his quarterbacks, giving up Brady Quinn for a cold turkey sandwich with wilted lettuce
Why trade up for Tebow, yet put Quinn in your camp? Why trade your best WR (arguably the best in the league), and then draft a guy who you think reminds you of your "old" WR?
Why trade up for Tebow, yet put Quinn in your camp? Why trade your best WR (arguably the best in the league), and then draft a guy who you think reminds you of your "old" WR?
Marshall and Tebow would have been nice.
They drafted a WR because of the fact that if they didn't, Royal would've been double teamed or triple teamed since he's their only WR threat.
Marshall crossed the line from productive arsehole on the field to locker room malcontent. When he was traded, why were there reports of cheers from the Denver locker room? Why did the team choose captain Daniel Graham to announce the trade when it was made over their owner, GM, and head coach? It wasn't just McDaniels not wanting to deal with an adult attitude, this guy was divisive in the locker room. Good call in jettisoning him and finding something that may turn out like him.
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Quote: i could have showed his college highlights,.
And I can show you some sweet college highlights of Tim Couch, William Green, Charles Rodgers, Ryan Leaf, Chris Winkie, Ken Dorsey, Braylon Edwards....
Who knows what happens with the RBs? Maybe Vickers winds up the odd man out and we keep 4?
Stramger things have happened.
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