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Rogers was preparing to board a plane when officers discovered the loaded weapon in his carry-on bag.
It is what it is.
I don't know - "preparing to board a plane" could just be bad terminology. I'm HOPING it was "preparing to board a plane, going through the scanners", and not "just about on the plane."
Think about it - if he was through security already, why would officers search his bag again right outside the plane?
Who knows.
And regardless - stupid stupid stupid! If he "forgot" the gun was there, that means the last time he took the bag anywhere he forgot it. There is absolutely never an excuse to "forget" where an unloaded gun is, let alone a loaded gun.
Think about that one.... it's pointless semantics.
1. It is in his carry-on.
2. If he got caught going through the XRay checkpoint, he's on his way to board a plane... he just isn't at the gate yet, but if he didn't get caught, he would have been.
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If I was rich...and everyone knew I was rich...I might do the same.
Question... when is the last time that a famous athlete actually successfully used a gun to protect himself? I mean seriously, if they are all rich and famous and they all have a target on their back, surely there are bunches of articles of them saving themselves with their guns right? has to be bunches of them... a few... one?
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when is the last time that a famous athlete actually successfully used a gun to protect himself?
Just how is that relevant to anything, in any way?
Are you suggesting that because he's a famous athlete, he should have less of a right to concealed carry?
Or that because athletes aren't having to shoot their way to safety more often that he shouldn't have the same right as anyone else?
It's a gun, it's his right to own and carry one... he did, but was stupid with it.
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Should have traded him while we had the chance..
You are right sir. Any chance we had, or might have been working on/considering is gone. Maybe when he's back, but his value just plummeted. 
I was one hoping for a deal to include him for a move back up into the first. That's gone, for sure 
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I mean seriously, if they are all rich and famous and they all have a target on their back, surely there are bunches of articles of them saving themselves with their guns right? has to be bunches of them... a few... one?
Not necessarily. We'll never know if a thief decided not to rob someone because he felt they might be armed. What is known is that many of these athletes carry without having the basic knowledge of gun safety or the responsibility involved.
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Rogers was preparing to board a plane when officers discovered the loaded weapon in his carry-on bag.
It is what it is.
I don't know - "preparing to board a plane" could just be bad terminology. I'm HOPING it was "preparing to board a plane, going through the scanners", and not "just about on the plane."
Think about it - if he was through security already, why would officers search his bag again right outside the plane?
Who knows.
And regardless - stupid stupid stupid! If he "forgot" the gun was there, that means the last time he took the bag anywhere he forgot it. There is absolutely never an excuse to "forget" where an unloaded gun is, let alone a loaded gun.
Think about that one.... it's pointless semantics.
1. It is in his carry-on.
2. If he got caught going through the XRay checkpoint, he's on his way to board a plane... he just isn't at the gate yet, but if he didn't get caught, he would have been.
No - it is NOT pointless semantics.
First of all, let's get this out of the way: Regardless, he was wrong.
Now, let's move on to the "semantics" part of it. The report says he was arrested "trying to board a plane". What is boarding a plane - where did he get arrested?
If he was arrested going through the security line - hey, security worked. If he for some reason made it through the security checkpoint and was arrested at the gate, well, Houston, we have a problem.
In either situation, he was wrong. I want to know where his mistake was found out by security. At the checkpoint? Kudos to them. At the gate? Airport security problem people.
HE was wrong regardless of where it was caught - I'm not giving a free pass to him at all.
So, "semantics" might mean something, would you agree?
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I know Rogers is rich and all, but if
I was a crook he would be about the last person I would try to hassle.........
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If he was arrested going through the security line - hey, security worked. If he for some reason made it through the security checkpoint and was arrested at the gate, well, Houston, we have a problem.
Sorry, didn't catch your intent on that aspect... I ASSumed that your statement was intended differently. 
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Just how is that relevant to anything, in any way?
It's not really. Just more of a comment on the statement that athletes who are caught doing stupid things with guns always say.. "I'm famous, I need to carry a gun for protection."... so my thought is, do they need it more than anybody else? My guess would be no, they don't. In fact I'd think they need it less.. has nothing to do with their right to carry it.
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Are you suggesting that because he's a famous athlete, he should have less of a right to concealed carry?
Nope, I'm now suggesting that because he is stupid he should have less of a right to concealed carry... He has a handgun, keeps it loaded, and doesn't know where it is? I think that qualifies as grounds for not allowing him to carry a gun around.
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They should have all of the same rights.. they should face all of the same punishments as well, when they break the laws associated with those rights.
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It's a gun, it's his right to own and carry one... he did, but was stupid with it.
I was actually just curious if/when any famous athletes had ever actually used it in self-defense... but I was glad to answer your questions on rights.
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I think I've been in the political threads too much, I took your question to be confrontational in nature, not merely inquisitive.
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Release him. Now.
We're better without him.
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I think I've been in the political threads too much, I took your question to be confrontational in nature, not merely inquisitive.
This isn't a political thread, but honestly I was wondering if you just had a bad, rotten terrible day. 
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Release him. Now.
We're better without him.
Release - as in: get nothing for him?
I think that would be foolish.
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Release?
Pfft... he's prime material to trade to the Raiders, now.
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We're better without him.
hey, we at least got a ham sandwhich for Quinn and you just want to release Rogers?
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CLEVELAND -- Cleveland Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers was arrested Thursday at Hopkins International Airport for carrying a loaded gun in his carry-on luggage.
Rogers, who had been at the team's suburban training facility in recent days, was stopped at a security checkpoint when officials spotted a loaded .45-caliber hand gun in his carry-on luggage, police said in a statement. He was arrested at 12:15 p.m. without incident and was booked for carrying a concealed weapon, a third-degree felony.
No charges have been filed at this time, police said.
Under Ohio law, a third-degree felony carries a penalty of probation to five years in prison.
It's not yet known what Rogers, who lives in Houston during the offseason, told officials about the gun or if he was traveling alone.
Browns president Mike Holmgren issued a statement saying the team was aware of Rogers' arrest.
"We will continue to gather additional information, and until the legal process has taken its course, we will reserve any further comment," the statement said.
A message seeking comment was left with Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire.
Rogers, a three-time Pro Bowler who has played two seasons with the Browns, missed Cleveland's final five games last season after breaking his leg on Nov. 29 against Cincinnati.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5048219
IMO even if he escapes serious legal trouble, he's probably looking at a suspension from the league. Wasn't Tank Johnson suspended for 8 games a couple years ago after gun charges? He may have been a repeat offender of the league's personal conduct policy-- I can't remember.
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Release him. Now.
We're better without him.
Oh come on Ammo.,...you know thats not true.
Although I'd be fine if we traded Rogers, this little scenario likely kills the market as other teams are likely sitting back to see if we do release him. All trade offers right now would be discounted substantially.
Get the PR guys on it, clean up the mess and look to deal him after the draft.
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If what he did was legal,then why was he arrested?
Simple answer is that what he did was illegal..
Which would have to mean that he didn't have the gun in a checked bag, but instead had it in a carry on which I'd bet you is Illegal.
And if that's the case, he's an idiot.
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Sure makes me feel good about flying out of Hopkins. 
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Leave him alone he didn't do anything wrong
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The carry on luggage is a big problem for the guy.
I was hoping it was undeclared in his checked bag....now it's a whole different pot of crawdads.
We say we want smart players, but that is about as dumb as it gets, or so common, he doesn't think twice.
The last time I flew I forgot you couldn't carry a plastic bottle of bourbon on the plane and had it confiscated....no biggie, but I felt pretty dumb.
If he is forgetting loaded weapons, it means he carries them all the time, which is cool, as long as you are aware of where you can carry them....
I think Saint said...after 911, you have to be a total dumb ass to forget something like that...and i agree.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we just cut the guy.
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I hope he is exonerated 
What he did is NOT legal. That is why he was arrested.
CHECKING a gun - in checked baggage, i.e. in the cargo stow - is legal. I do believe you need to inform the airline, but am not sure.
Trying to take a gun on a plane, be it on you OR in a carry on, is ILLEGAL. Hence, the arrest. And rightly so.
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I know that because of my background but I would be willing to bet that most people don't know that you can carry a gun on a plane as long as it is in checked baggage. And I wouldn't be surprised if someone told someone that and then that person told someone else and so on and so forth - sooner or later the statement changed from "you can carry a gun on a plane as long as its in a checked bag" to "you can carry a gun on a plane as long as its in a bag."
Not saying that is what happened here but it seems like something that definitely could have happened. Doesn't excuse it by any means, but we all know how the telephone game works and we all know how quickly people will just believe something someone tells them without verifying it.
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I'd be curious where he was going to know why he felt it was so important to be packing when he got there that he'd risk his freedom over it?
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Then we should clarify it right now. You can NOT carry a gun on a plane. Not unless you are a federal Marshall.
You can NOT carry a gun on a plane.
You CAN have a gun in a checked bag. Checked, as in, given to the airline at the counter to be put in the cargo area.
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You CAN have a gun in a checked bag. Checked, as in, given to the airline at the counter to be put in the cargo area.
Yes, but can that gun be loaded like the one was in his carry on?
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Then we should clarify it right now. You can NOT carry a gun on a plane. Not unless you are a federal Marshall.
You can NOT carry a gun on a plane.
You CAN have a gun in a checked bag. Checked, as in, given to the airline at the counter to be put in the cargo area.
No doubt....though it has to be declared.
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You CAN have a gun in a checked bag. Checked, as in, given to the airline at the counter to be put in the cargo area.
Yes, but can that gun be loaded like the one was in his carry on?
Given how they throw bags around like rag dolls, god i'd hope not.
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It appears to be widely enough reported so I doubt people are going off half cocked.
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It appears to be widely enough reported so I doubt people are going off half cocked.
When you have a good joke (like we did), I guess you have to take a shot and post it. Someone will think it is funny.
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It appears to be widely enough reported so I doubt people are going off half cocked.
When you have a good joke (like we did), I guess you have to take a shot and post it. Someone will think it is funny.
True enough, although it can make you a target for ridicule too.
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It appears to be widely enough reported so I doubt people are going off half cocked.
When you have a good joke (like we did), I guess you have to take a shot and post it. Someone will think it is funny.
True enough, although it can make you a target for ridicule too.
True, but we are having a blast. I think we should be allowed to carry on and not conceal the hilarity.
Shaun should have known that the media would be gunning for him after this arrest.
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It appears to be widely enough reported so I doubt people are going off half cocked.
When you have a good joke (like we did), I guess you have to take a shot and post it. Someone will think it is funny.
True enough, although it can make you a target for ridicule too.
True, but we are having a blast. I think we should be allowed to carry on and not conceal the hilarity.
Shaun should have known that the media would be gunning for him after this arrest.
He really didn't have a reputation as a loose cannon, maybe he just forgot to keep his pistol glocked up in his other luggage. If we get rid of him he may go to the Colts if you think about it.
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I'm sure H & H are kicking themselves in the butt for not unloading Mr. Rogers before yesterday.
This is so dumb of Rogers on so many levels...anyone who travels a lot via the air, "knows" the law...you cannot carry a gun in your carry on luggage.
Rogers said he forgot the gun was in his luggage...oh man, I don't know how "anyone" forgets when they have a gun with them when they fly.
I read that Rogers was in town for workouts with the team...maybe Rogers decided he wanted the year off.
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If he was in Cleveland for A few days as the srticle states, I believe odds are he brought the gun with him when he arrived in Cleveland.He lives in Texas so I doubt it is easier to buy a weapon in Ohio than it is in Texas so thats my reasoning for thinking he carried it on a plane before in his checked bags. More than likely he was in a hurry to catch a flight and accidently put the gun in the wrong bag. He may have even declared it in his checked bags as he should not realizing the firearm was in his carry on. Still not the most responsible thing to do but it happens.
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Cleveland Browns tackle Shaun Rogers arrested with a gun at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
April 01, 2010, 1:31PM
Updated at 11:38 p.m.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Nose tackle Shaun Rogers' career with the Browns is in jeopardy after he was arrested Thursday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport for reportedly carrying a loaded handgun.
If convicted, Rogers, a three-time Pro Bowler and the Browns' best defensive player, faces a penalty of probation to five years in prison for carrying a concealed weapon, a third-degree felony in Ohio.
Rogers, who turned 31 on March 12, also could face discipline from the NFL under its strict personal conduct policy, which comes down especially hard on repeat offenders. Rogers was suspended for four games in 2006 for violating the steroid and related substances policy.
At the time of his 2006 suspension, Rogers told ESPN.com he was taking an appetite suppressant to curb late-night cravings he had from a sleeping disorder. He said the pills contained a banned form of ephedrine.
In an e-mail response regarding the arrest, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said, "We are aware of it, but have no further comment at this time."
The Browns also released the following statement from President Mike Holmgren: "We are aware of what transpired with Shaun Rogers. We will continue to gather additional information, and until the legal process has taken its course, we will reserve any further comment."
Rogers was in city jail Thursday night and was expected to be held until charges were filed.
In a release, police Chief Michael McGrath said Rogers was having his luggage inspected at the Concourse C checkpoint when he was found to have a loaded .45-caliber handgun in his carry-on bag. He was arrested without incident and booked downtown.
Police spokesman Sgt. Sammy Morris could not confirm reports that Rogers told police he forgot the gun was in his bag. Rogers, who lives in Houston during the off-season, had been in Cleveland participating in the Browns' off-season training program. His agent, Kennard McGuire, did not return an e-mail or voicemail seeking comment.
Former Giants receiver Plaxico Burress was sentenced to two years in prison in September for carrying a loaded, unlicensed firearm into a Manhattan nightclub. Burress accidentally shot himself in the thigh.
Rogers, who was acquired in a trade with Detroit in 2008, is signed through 2013 and was set to receive $23 million over the first three years of his deal, including $20 million guaranteed. A Pro Bowler in 2008, he sat out the last five games of 2009 with a broken leg.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/04/cleveland_browns_player_shaun.html
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