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I like most of you have some players I wish we could have drafted. Of course to get mine we would have needed 3-4 more 2nd round picks. Many of the guys we drafted were not "my players" but I don't get to watch all the game film and interview the players the way our front office does.
Do I worry about Ward's injury history? Yes but I don't have access to his medical records like the team doctors do. Is Hardesty that much better than Dixon taken what 4 rounds later? I didn't think so but he could be. At this point we can't say if this was a good draft or not. We did get a bunch of talented athletes. Let's hope that they have the dedication and good health to pan out and really improve our team.
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What I love is that no one questions a QB coming off 2 major shoulder injuries taken at #1 overall .......
No one questions a TE being taken in the 1st who had a knee reconstructed last year ....
Many people here wanted a LB who may need microfracture surgery on his knee ..... and who has ADD and narcelepsy ......
But a RB who had knee surgery, and then put up 1300 yards last year is a concern late in the 2nd?
Same thing with Ward. High ankle sprains can happen to anyone on any play. They are debilitating when they happen ... but they heal. He had knee surgery in th past ... but has played, and played well since.
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good one...
Hardesty is a good pickup and has the talent set to be a feature back for the Browns in the future.
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Very well stated.
Obviously, our Docs have cleared these guys.... and all of them have had at least one productive season since their injuries.
If they had had these injuries and hadn't put together a good season, then you've got something to worry about.
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Good post!  You brings some things to light that make you think about the evaluation process teams use. Same goes with Ward. 
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Very nicely stated... Hardesty had a great year last year and every game I watched of the Vols he was a factor. I think he was a great pick up, even if we had to move up to get him. With Harrison and Hardesty I think we will have a good running game this year.
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Very nicely stated... Hardesty had a great year last year and every game I watched of the Vols he was a factor. I think he was a great pick up, even if we had to move up to get him. With Harrison and Hardesty I think we will have a good running game this year.
I agree, I like Hardesty a lot as a pick up. While I don't know much about him, and I was dissapointed because I was interested in seeing what our other RBs can do (Hillis and Davis), I liked Hardesty's interview a lot (where he continued stressing the point, over and over, that he took competition very seriously and that he was going to work to be the best RB on the field).
He seems like a more all-around guy than Harrison, and he can catch the ball well and he has some quickness/shiftiness. Looking at highlights though, he definitely isn't afraid to draw contact and bang with the defense. When it starts getting cold and windy, as it always seems to at the end of the season no matter where you play (as long as it's outside), running the ball becomes critical. Especially with windy conditions.
I imagine that if we traded up to get him, we must really have placed a high value on him. Harrison and him should be a good tandem, and I think he'll definitely be a big benefit to us this season. I really like his attitude, if people haven't listened to it, listen to the conference call after he was drafted. He has a southern tough-guy thing to his voice, but he keeps saying over and over that he will out work everyone. Two time captain, definitely a tough dude, and he works real hard.
Plus word has it he's got a good cutback move, may be he's the next Jamal Lewis, who I believe had some injury issues in college also
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Not too mention Spillers chronic "turf toe" injury which I see as more of a concern than Hardesty's injury.
Wasn't it turf toe that ended Eddie Georges carreer?
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As far as I can tell, Hardesty NEVER fumbled the ball in Tennesee. Thats 560 carries.
I think he could be pretty good.
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Wiki says toe and ankle problems...Thought it was his knees, they say though that by the time he was done they were ridiculously jacked. Something about running into the equivalent of a brick wall 2000 times does bad things.
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I think that college fumble stats aren't calculated. Or at least they're calculated weird. I remember people saying that Gerhart and Peterson (Adrian) never fumbled in college either. Then someone brought up the point that they saw them fumble in a game, lol.
But it's could be possible that he didn't fumble. As I said, we move up into the 2nd round to pick a guy with a bit of an injury history. Tom Heckert is no rookie at drafting, he's not stupid. The guy has to be pretty good.
I have a very good feeling about Montario Hardesty, and I think he'll probably come in here and kick some butt. Now our team has to be successful to really enjoy the use of two RBs (you don't run the ball when you're behind usually), but I'd love to see both of them get a lot of use.
I've always liked Harrison because unlike many small runners, he's very good running between the tackles. He isn't that great at blocking or catching the ball, but something about the way he runs reminds me of Tiki Barber, who is probably my favorite RB ever (I live near NYC) along with Curtis Martin. Harrison is just very shifty with great vision, and he's pretty fast.
With Hardesty working alongside him, I really have good feelings about our running game this year. And with Jake D. throwing and our receivers not being that great, having a strong running game will be key to our success. I just hope we can find someone to man that RG spot (or a RT and Pashos moves inside). I doubt that Arizona guy is going to be able to start
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and you didn't even mention Jahvid Best's concussions.
I don't know much about Hardesty only seeing him play twice last year. He looked decent in both, but nothing too incredibly special. At worst though, he seemed like a guy who should push James Davis to the RB3 role, which is a good thing.
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At worst though, he seemed like a guy who should push James Davis to the RB3 role, which is a good thing.
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not when it could have been our #1 wideout
What wideout did we not take with the Montario Smith pick, that you think is going to be a number 1 wideout?
I see, Golden Tate of ND. I dunno, I dissagree, I don't really see him as a number 1 wideout. And i watched all ND games this year. He drops the ball an awful lot. He's not that fast and he's short. Although he does have a knack for making plays toward the end of the game
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I don't think Heckert is in the building. I think he called Mangini and said "hey, you take it today, I'm not feeling too well".
When they said we were trading back up in the second, I thought for sure it was to take Claussen who was th #2 rated QB rated at 8.6 and NFL ready. To my complete shock, they took a RB not a big need rated at only 6.8 with a lot of questions.I was starting to think that MH and TH went fishing for the day and left Mangenious in charge, who called Botch Davis for advice.   
This has to be one of the biggest blunders of the entire draft. If not Claussen, than it should have been a position of big need. I would have taken OL with the pick, Vlad Ducasse ROT/OG with a rating of 7.6. He could play 2 spots and is a huge mauling run blocker with lots of upside and a true nasty streak.  
At this point I was truly wondering is someone in the war room was a spry for the other AFC North teams, sent in to sink our draft, I was wonering how they got the glass pipe past the security, but they must have, just look at the results so far and it's only been 3 picks. 
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Not just replying to you...... You guys simply amaze me.  Mike Holmgren and Tim Heckert have done this and done this well in past years and some of you really think you know better? Really???? We have more holes to fill than can be filled in one year and no matter which one we fill there is somebody that with all there NFL knowledge and scouting expertise of what our coaches schemes and philosophy are would then have picked another to fill a different hole that then another know it all would then cry foul and would have filled a different hole........and it all starts over.  Get a freckin job in the NFL so all the other know it all yahoos on here can then tear apart YOUR freckin draft and make you guys out to be the moron that you then think you are not!
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This is a general comment, not directed at anyone, but what team in their right mind would go into the 2010 season with a Jerome Harrison as the ONLY back on the team? He's a role-player on most teams, and behind him sit a bunch of projects and never-was's. We HAD TO HAVE a bonifide prospect as a #1 or #2 back because in the WCO you have to do ALL things well, and Harrison doesn't. We needed a studly second running back to go from a position of weakness to a position of strength. Hardesty does nothing but become another RB. The WCO easily uses Vickers because of all the things he can do
I told U guys the Browns were looking hard at MH..very hard...big back who id stays healthy can be that 20-25 carry back..
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U are right Kermie..I didn't tell U nutting..it was in my mock.. 
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It's a nice feeling when you mock a guy and the team gets him. The only problem is if he doesn't work out. There's nobody to point the finger at
I'm diggin' Hardesty. It's almost cliched to say it, but at 225 he looks like the ideal match as an inside runner to Harrison and his skill-set.
If he doesn't get hurt very often, he's gonna be a helluva deal for a 2nd rounder.
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If he doesn't get hurt very often, he's gonna be a helluva deal for a 2nd rounder.
And if toads had wings they wouldn't bump their ass
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The guy can catch out of the backfield, too. I've seen him run one hell of a wheel route before. I remember coming out of high school knowing he was going to be a stud (didn't think he'd get to 225 and solid as he is, but no complaints) and wanted him to be a Buckeye.
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Does anybody see a little Shaun Alexander in Hardesty? He is a big back with decent speed that makes one cut and hits the hole and an catch the ball.
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Not that this means much, but Wes Bunting (admittedly someone I don't alot about) likes Hardesty a little more than Ryan Matthews. This is a pretty interesting read. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-running_back_fight_night_html-2010326
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he makes some good points, but I still think Mathews is the better overall RB.
however, if you are going on value, then we may have gotten the deal. i would have been livid if we drafted Mathews despite the fact that I like him more than most on here because it wouldn't have given us much value especially considering our other areas of need. but, getting Hardesty as the 3rd pick in the late 2nd is much better.
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I liked Matthews over all the other backs..but he went 12th..some teams had him rated over Spiller..
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I liked Matthews over all the other backs..but he went 12th..some teams had him rated over Spiller..
I don't blame them. But, 12th is awfully high to draft a RB. For SD where he might be the final piece that is fine. But, for us, who need so much more, it just isn't worth it.
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Its not okay to draft a HB that high... but it is okay to draft a WR that high? You didn't say this.. but there were some people who said Dez Bryant could have been the pick.
just saying.. if there is a talented guy.. I don't think there is a limit on where you should take them.
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nope, i wasn't on the Dez Bryant bandwagon.
depending on team needs though, if there are 2 equally talented people, you take the one of greater need. or of greater position value.
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and you didn't even mention Jahvid Best's concussions.
I don't know much about Hardesty only seeing him play twice last year. He looked decent in both, but nothing too incredibly special. At worst though, he seemed like a guy who should push James Davis to the RB3 role, which is a good thing.
I think Hardesty would have been a great pick, but at our second #6. That's where the Steelers took Dwyer rated slightly ahead of him. He's 5' 11" at 229 lb. the only difference I see between them is, that Dwyer doesn't have the injury factor. We'll get to see this first hand, when he's running through our "D" this season, while Hardesty is on the IR. The bottom line is we gave up our first #3 and two 5th's for him. Then compare that to a late round 6th for Dwyer. That's where we could have taken Dwyer, right before the Steelers had a chance to pick.
All new staff and same old results, every other team in our division got B ratings and we still got a C. Plus we drated way higher and had more picks, go figure. 
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While U would have waited and drafted air..other teams wanted Hardesty over Dwyer..
I saw both play..something really dropped Dwyer down ..Uh..probably because he has weight issues,not a good blocker,limited as a pass catcher,etc..so I'm not as dismayed as U are.color]
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Well seeing the length of time he was out due to injury, you couldn't have seen him "very much". I consider him the biggest question regarding this draft. If he can stay healthy it was a good pick. But if history can tell us anything, him staying healthy doesn't make for very good odds. jmho
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I saw him this year and more than just one game....that's enough..I picked this up:
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Ah, you mean a contending team who can afford to take a risk or two verses a re-building team who can't really afford a swing and a miss? I see what you're saying now.
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I doubt you do..not the first time..I don't have a issue with Hardesty..good reciever out of the backfield,power runner etc..not gonna sweat the injuries yet..not gonna worry about that right now.
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Well seeing the length of time he was out due to injury, you couldn't have seen him "very much".
I consider him the biggest question regarding this draft. If he can stay healthy it was a good pick. But if history can tell us anything, him staying healthy doesn't make for very good odds.
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History of injuries do not ensure future injuries. Just look at Courtney Brown and Adrian Peterson.
Hardesty will be a good player here, I watched all of his games last year and he is very effective when running through traffic.
you had a good run Hank.
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No, I full well understand it.
Teams like Indy, the Saints, the Patriots and I could name a few more, have the luxury to try players that have some risk.
Now N.E. especially isn't known to take character risks so much, but in their position (this year holding THREE second round picks) they can afford to gamble a little more with injury risks and such.
Am I worried about him getting hurt? Not really. I mean it is what it is. But then again, if he doesn't make it past week four before he ends up on the IR, I won't be surprised by that either.
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