DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2013 NFL Season NFL Draft (2013) Browns 3rd Round Pick I: Colt McCoy (QB)

I think McCoy slid, as well as Clausen, because most teams don't need QB's...

Since out of every 10 QBs taken, 9 end up being closer to Jake Plummer than Joe Montana, you are just playing the odds.

As for the braintrust, they are defending their pick and painting him the most positive light... so you both are doing what you should be doing..

I have to agree with you on most of what you said. MH and TH took McCoy with a 3rd round pick.....and i feel like MH and TH might agree with your thoughts on the 3rd round value as well.

With all that being true....they "MUST" have a totally different evaluation of McCoy than you do. Thats ok though....i'm pretty sure we all look at people different (look at the Tebow pick) but in no other angle can our FO look at McCoy like you do.
You might and prolly will spin it to fit your view to Mike and Tims but it in no way can be so.

I feel like he can be a sure fire starter and i see his arm as being average not below and as far as the spiral thing......cmon.
You Think you have hit a area that Mike and Tim have overlooked?

More reason that they see Colt in a different light.

welcome to cleveland colt!

Isn't arm strength, when I think in terms of strength . . . isn't that something that with time, workouts, conditioning and what-not that can be improved?

You guys act like how someone is on draft day is how they will be for the remainder of whatever NFL career they have.

What's the point of DEVELOPING them?

Say what you guys want, but he's still a kid and from what it looks like, room to grow . . . hence the pick.

I also like how Holmgren said to Michael Smith in the interview that he's done with coaching, it's up to Dabol and Co. to do that.

well even in recent articles, and video, holmgren even said that this was his pick. he went in and said "guys let me have this one."

and, not because i believe it but just because it seems people forgot, holmgren compared mccoy to montana weeks before the draft. not yesterday, not today after we picked him. weeks ago. it was clear holmgren loves the guy.

Looks like both Josh McDaniels and Holmgren got their "project" QB picks to show the world how they can mold a player into a franchise guy ... the only difference is ... we only had to use a 3rd rounder.

You can't coach a stronger arm, but can't you coach a tighter spiral? Maybe Holmgren can suggest a slightly adjusted grip or something?

I gotta say, I like Clausen better but I McCoy in the 3rd is a better gamble than JC at #7.

I'm good with this draft so far. Adressed DBs twice, OL and taken two offensive guys they like. I think it has to be likely will try to trade back up one more time.

Looks like I won't see Jarrett Brown here, which is dissapointing. I liked him as a project more than any other QB.

true, and mccoy doesn't need to fix as much technique. nfl network was quite fair too. all this talk about tebow and mccoy is the winning-est qb in college and that 70% completion rate is crazy.

Good pick. Not a very big gamble. As a 3rd rounder he won't get a lot of money. But if he makes it we got our starting QB in the 3rd round. If he doesn't make it as a starter I think we can all agree he can be at least a backup in the league.

Good pick.

For those wondering about the going on in an NFL draft room ....

Holmgren, hired by Browns owner Randy Lerner to restore this fumbling franchise, said the new management team of he, Mangini and Heckert worked well together during their first draft. Holmgren joked that his efforts to get McCoy were met with rolled eyes from Mangini.

"If I had allowed him to make every pick, we would have taken six cornerbacks," Holmgren said.

"One of them could have played guard," countered Mangini.




http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story...overlist_footer

BEREA, Ohio -- Colt McCoy's slide finally stopped in Cleveland. The Browns roped the Texas quarterback before he could fall any further.

Passed over in the first two rounds of the NFL Draft, McCoy was selected in the third round with the No. 85 overall pick on Friday by the Browns, who have spent the past decade searching for a quarterback to take them to their first Super Bowl.



McCoy won't be expected to do that right away, but guided by new Browns president and QB guru Mike Holmgren, McCoy could be the solution to a troublesome position. The Browns have had eight different opening-week quarterbacks since their 1999 expansion return.

The Browns had two earlier chances to get McCoy before grabbing the Longhorns' four-year starter.

"My heart skipped a beat," McCoy said of getting the phone call from Holmgren. "I am where I'm supposed to be, and that's Cleveland. It's a blue-collar town, and that's how I am."

Holmgren never thought McCoy would still be on the board when the Browns' turn came up again in the third round.

"It was something I really wanted to do," Holmgren said, adding he pitched McCoy to coach Eric Mangini and general manager Tom Heckert. "If it happened, it happened. Sometimes it just kind of falls to you."

The Browns have spent the offseason reshaping the quarterback position, which has been an almost constant headache since they returned as an expansion franchise in 1999. They traded Brady Quinn, released Derek Anderson, acquired Seneca Wallace and signed free agent Jake Delhomme.

Now, they've added McCoy, who was drafted after fellow college stars Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow and Jimmy Clausen were chosen. He also went one pick after Jordan Shipley, his former Texas teammate and close friend was drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals.

In four years at Texas, McCoy passed for 13,253 yards and 112 touchdowns, both school records. He went 45-8 as a starter and was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy as a junior and senior.

"We love his leadership. We love his track record," Holmgren said. "He runs well. He's intelligent. He's fiery. He's everything you look for in the position."

McCoy said he spoke to both Browns coach Eric Mangini and Holmgren.

"They asked me if it had been a long day, and I said, 'Yes sir,"' said McCoy, whose selection in New York was announced by Texas coach Mack Brown. "I told them I can't wait to be a Cleveland Brown and that we're going to win a lot of games. Cleveland has a little orange in their jerseys just like UT.

"It's a perfect fit."

Mangini said he was impressed with McCoy on a personal level during previous visits.

"He taught me more about raising cattle than I wanted," Mangini cracked. "He has won a lot of big games."

Holmgren, hired by Browns owner Randy Lerner to restore this fumbling franchise, said the new management team of he, Mangini and Heckert worked well together during their first draft. Holmgren joked that his efforts to get McCoy were met with rolled eyes from Mangini.

"If I had allowed him to make every pick, we would have taken six cornerbacks," Holmgren said.

"One of them could have played guard," countered Mangini.

Earlier, the Browns made their secondary a primary priority.

With speculation swirling that they would take McCoy or Clausen, the Browns chose Oregon safety T.J. Ward with the No. 38 overall pick. Ward, who walked on with the Ducks, is a hard hitter who could immediately move into Cleveland's starting lineup.

The 5-foot-10, 211-pounder was the second defensive back selected by the Browns, who took Florida cornerback Joe Haden in the first round Thursday.

"He's just a super-tough kid, who makes a lot of plays in the run game," Browns general manager Tom Heckert said. "We think he can cover. He's got good athletic ability, and he adds a lot to our defense. He's lighting people up [on film] and that's an intriguing thing for us."

The Browns had not taken two defensive backs with their first two picks since 1984, when the club selected Don Rogers and Chris Rockins. Cleveland was ranked 29th overall against the pass last season and the Browns recorded just 10 interceptions, second-fewest in the AFC.

Although McCoy was still available, the Browns traded back into the second round and selected Tennessee running back Montario Hardesty with the No. 59 pick. Cleveland dealt one of its three third-round picks -- No. 71 -- and two fifth-rounders -- Nos. 134 and 146 -- to Philadelphia to grab Hardesty, a bruising inside runner with his own bruises.

Hardesty, who gained 1,345 yards and scored 12 touchdowns for the Volunteers last season, had history of injuries at Tennessee.

He was granted a medical hardship after undergoing multiple surgeries on his right knee as a freshman. The following season, he missed time with ankle problems and then was limited as a junior because of a foot stress fracture.

Still, the Browns are confident Hardesty is fit to play.

"That's why we have doctors and trainers," Heckert said. "They feel comfortable with his health."

Hardesty said he hasn't missed a game in the past three years because of injuries. He's coming to Cleveland with big goals.

"I want to be a star, man," he said.

Ward was overwhelmed to see Hall of Famer Jim Brown get introduced by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and then step forward and announce the team's selection.

"To hear him say my name was pretty wonderful," Ward said on a conference call. "I'm at a loss for words right now. I've been waiting for this moment for all my life."

With the No. 92 pick, the Browns took Arizona State offensive lineman Shawn Lauvao.

"We can't fix what we want to do in one year," Holmgren said. "But we've taken a good first step."

I hate this pick, it's a waste...I don't care if we pick a QB at #38 or #85....that doesn't make the QB better...I didn't think much of McCoy going in and was pretty sure we don't want him after the Hardesty uptrade

We wasted that valuable pick....and then watching 5 prospects that I absolutely loved come off the board right after him will be a bummer when we look back at this pick in 2-3 years from now (Te'o-Nesheim, Decker, Roberts...later CB Ghee, a mega-steal for the freaking Bengals and G/T Johnson)

We over-drafted a noodle-arm dink'n'dunk hobbit QB that got over-hyped media attention....we blew this one. If he becomes a reliable backup, I'd be happy right now....I just hope we don't think he's our next "franchise" QB....I can already hear the Hobbit-homers scream to not pick a QB in next years Top10 (where we will pick again) because we have to "see what McCoy has"....have we learned anything from the Frye and Quinn experiments?

I was really disappointed after this pick...scream "value" and "steal" all you want...McCoy is what he is....an undersized, short-passing game and game managing DEVELOPMENTAL-QB who throws ugly ducks....I also got concerned with his hand size...those hands were awfully small...

I agree with Toad...he looks like a better prospect than Frye but why not take him with our #92 pick? and go Decker, Roberts or Teo-Nesheim before?

It's not a bad draft, in fact I think it's a decent one but we didn't maximize it...still light years ahead of last years draft. It's a start I guess..

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People, including our very own president of football ops, called him the next Montana.

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He did NOT call him the NEXT Montana... He said he sees similarities in him with Montana. He also said he saw similarities with Young. The guy is short, accurate, and doesn't have a huge arm. He also has a lot of comeback wins at Texas. Gee I think it looks like similarities...nowhere does that say he is the NEXT Joe Montana. He also has similarities with Ty Detmer....and Drew Brees....It is a comparison....not a prophecy...

So McCoy was a Holmgren pick... as in Gini' did not want him?

Is this a serious question???

I'm just saying.. if ur coach doesn't want you... well.. i won't go there..

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It is a big deal.. It means a few things:
1) We are drafting at the top of the draft AGAIN

2) We are not winning

3) No Playoffs.. No Superbowl..

4) We have to continue to look for that guy who can finally succeed in cleveland

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What's new? Seriously, you have that much faith in a 3rd pick? I don't,.,,

Had we taken him in the 1st.. that's a whole different ball of wax..

what does it matter what pick he was drafted?

Mangini is just sad to see his boy Ratliff go.

the "Mangini rolled his eyes" comment threw me off...

IMHO....I think it is a matter of Mangini and his philosophy of QB's. Mangini holds QB's more as a position like any other position. He does not lump a lot more impotance on that position than others. And he sees a ton of other holes they are trying to fill.

Then you have Holmgren who places a lot of importance on the QB position. Holmgren was ceding to Heckert and Mangini. He said he really didn't press anything until mid 3rd.

Now I don't take this that Mangini did not want McCoy. I think he truly likes the kid and has him highly rated. I think it was a more of a matter where Mangini seeing the QB position set for the present with Delhomme, and he was worried about DLine, DB, OLine, RB, WR, etc...

But when McCoy actually fell to 85...Now you have really good value, you have Holmgren(who said that if they decided to go a different direction he would not have interceded) who likes this kid as well....All three head guys really liked the kid...I think it was a consensus pick. And as Holmgren said it was a perfect example of how well they worked together...

First off I'll go on record that I like this pick.

i was listening to the draft on the radio because I was working and they were saying that MH said that he was letting Tom and Eric make the first 3 picks alone. He was there but not going to make the choice.
That falls in line with what Ive read in that finally with our 4th pick he pushed for McCoy.
Mike also has said that he will most likely draft a QB every year in the later rounds so this is his pet project so to speak but expect to see the Browns drafting a QB late (5th 6th rounds) every year from now on.

Personally this made the draft for me. I felt the Browns were reaching on every pick except the first round (I wanted spiller but am ok with the CB)
and after hearing MH say that he wants his GM and coach make the picks it started to feel more and more like every other year.

I expect that Colt will learn alot from Jake which is something none of our young QB's the last few years have ever had the chance to do. Not to mention that he also will be able to work with MH.

Raised my grade on the draft from a c/c- to a b

I think Baltimore and Cinci seperated themselves from Cleveland even more this year. I get so excited for the draft every year then come away disappointed. Not dissing the McCoy pick but the whole draft in general. But like every other year, Im hoping these "experts" know what they are doing and I'll give them this season to show me. Didnt like that they traded 3 picks for a player at a position they dont even need when there is so many holes to fill.

The Browns still have one of the worst WR core in the NFL.

Something else that kinda struck me last night was how much Gruden was talking about how they should leave the kid alone and just let him grow.
Colt went to his camp and alot of talk about how he could be our next coach if things dont work out really made me pay attention to what he was saying.

and when they did trade up for Hardesty.. they had to take a HUGE reach for Lavaou, I guess thinking that he won't make it to the 5th round..

This is not directed at you Nick.

Could we all discuss Brain Surgery next? I mean if everybody is going to spout off about something they know nothing about while acting like they know it all, we could at least make it interesting.

First.. and always first.. Wash your hands..

2) Gloves
3) Scalpel

The most positive thing about this pick is that they did immediately upgrade the 3rd string QB position. Based on pre-season play, I never thought Ratcliff should have made the team. He was out-played by Barnes.

Considering Holmgren said "Mangini rolled his eyes at the pick", well at least that makes me happy because I dont trust Manginis QB evaluations.