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Here's a scenario I thought they should try. Who's to say they wouldn't have last season had Rogers not been out w/ injury. Could be quite a combo . . .  http://www.kffl.com/team/13/nflBrowns | Ahtyba Rubin could start this season Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:34:28 -0400 Cleveland Browns DL Ahtyba Rubin could start at nose tackle this season, reports Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Browns | Could move Shaun Rogers to DE Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:31:11 -0400 The Cleveland Browns could move DT Shaun Rogers to defensive end this season, reports Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
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I would like it, but my concern is what happens when Rubin is tired. With Rogers and Rubin both starting, we wouldn't have much for a backup nose.
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I have been saying this since we got Rogers. He should be a DE, we need a pure NT to eat up blocks, not a gap jumping boom or bust guy like Rogers.
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That is true, Deep. Just another reminder of one area we didn't cover enough in the offseason . . . 
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I would like it, but my concern is what happens when Rubin is tired. With Rogers and Rubin both starting, we wouldn't have much for a backup nose.
That is my only concern, albeit a fairly huge concern as well. We would have no one who could fill in as a back up nose tackle with both of them starting.
Is there anyone in FA that could fit that bill? Henderson is more of a DE and I do not know of anyone else left in FA other than him that fits the 3-4 DL.
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We will probably have 2-4 games to decide what to do with Rogers anyway.
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Way to echo what we've been saying for months now Grossi. Some hard core analysis. 
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I really can't think of anyone. I think, at most, we will see Rogers at end occasionally, and not full time.
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I'm sure it would be some kind of rotationa where Ruben and Rogers wouldn't be on the sidelines at the same time. More than likely when both are in Rogers will be at end. When one is on the sideline then the other will be at the nose.
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The problem is that if they are in at the same time, they will be tired at the same time.
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Your assuming they will be in on every play at the same time. Do you really see the whole defensive line take a breather at the same time? 
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Your assuming they will be in on every play at the same time.
Do you really see the whole defensive line take a breather at the same time?
it would be an issue though if they get 'stuck' on the field and the opposing team goes hurry-up which doesn't allow for DL substitutions. a crafty HC could take advantage.
otherwise, you rotate out the DL tired or not just to ensure it doesn't happen. it's an interesting experiment at the very least. i do wish we had a better backup NT to truly implement it though.
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It would also be an issue if a team did exactly what your describing and one of them was on the bench.
If they are your best option then they should be on the field.
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Your assuming they will be in on every play at the same time.
Do you really see the whole defensive line take a breather at the same time?
it would be an issue though if they get 'stuck' on the field and the opposing team goes hurry-up which doesn't allow for DL substitutions. a crafty HC could take advantage.
otherwise, you rotate out the DL tired or not just to ensure it doesn't happen. it's an interesting experiment at the very least. i do wish we had a better backup NT to truly implement it though.
I'm not saying too much on this as I usually don't till TC...but I would imagine Rubin will start until Rodgers situation is cleared up..U know he's going to get some sort of discipline/suspension....
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I heard Ted Washington is on the market. Rumor has it he's even bigger than before!!
he is retired I think you are thinking of Jamarcus Russell
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I would like it, but my concern is what happens when Rubin is tired. With Rogers and Rubin both starting, we wouldn't have much for a backup nose.
They seemed to handle it ok when Rogers was out and Rubin was in full time....no reason to think they couldn't handle it again....
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They seemed to handle it ok when Rogers was out and Rubin was in full time....no reason to think they couldn't handle it again....
You mean when we still had Corey Williams to step in at nose, when he was really playing well.
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Albert Haynesworth can prolly be had for a second day pick and most of his front loaded salary has already been paid.
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Albert Haynesworth can prolly be had for a second day pick and most of his front loaded salary has already been paid.
The reason Haynesworth wants out of Washington is because they are using a 3-4 defense.
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Does Shaeferling play nose?
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Why not just post the Cleveland.com article so that we can read the context in which it was written?
e.g. Is it really being looked at, or is this just Grossi guessing that we might do it?
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I would HOPE they are considering ways to have them both on the field at the same time... some how.
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Is it really being looked at, or is this just Grossi guessing that we might do it?
It's just Grossi lurking our boards again. 
Besides, knowing how much Mangini loves to move players around, it's not that big of a stretch to come up with the theory in the first place.
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Why not just post the Cleveland.com article so that we can read the context in which it was written?
e.g. Is it really being looked at, or is this just Grossi guessing that we might do it?
he read our board and decided to put it out there because a lot of people talked about it on here in the past few months LOL
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Why not just post the Cleveland.com article so that we can read the context in which it was written?
e.g. Is it really being looked at, or is this just Grossi guessing that we might do it?
he read our board and decided to put it out there because a lot of people talked about it on here in the past few months LOL
The front office has been talking about putting Rogers at end during every offseason since we acquired him. Crennel was the first to talk about it.
Kind of makes me wonder why he never quite made it to that spot.
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I recall folks on here bantering on about it.
I recall the occasional reporter parroting about it.
I don't recall anyone in the Front Office, nor on the Coaching staff, ever talk about it.
Not saying they haven't as my memory is as bad as most and worse than many ... but I don't recall anyone actually with the team ever talking about it.
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We could always bring back Willie McGinnest and put him at nose (still remembers McGinnest going off about how the d-coach put him at NT.. lol)
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HA I wish I knew what you were talking about. When was this, during his time in Cleveland?
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The reason Haynesworth wants out of Washington is because they are using a 3-4 defense.
Haynesworth doesn't want to play NT.
We have two guys that can play NT,just stick Haynesworth at end.
I doubt if the Redskins let him walk,but you never know.Albert is a PITA anyway.
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Do you think IF Rogers didnt get caught with a gun, we would have traded him? I do!!
I think after the gun thing happened, Rogers was worth more on the team then getting probably a 5th round pick for him.
Before the gun we probably could hav gotten a 2 or 3 for him (probably)
After the gun he was worth more on the team... then picking up some 4th string/practice squad linebaker or something in the 5th round.
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The way I see it, Ryan can use the 46 with Rubin and Rogers on the field together. I would like to add that Robaire is going to be another year removed from his injury.He is getting older, but he is a good player. Rubin, Rogers, Smith, and Coleman sound like a nice four man front.
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Why not Rogers the nose on passing downs where his inside disruption style plays well and a DE on run downs. Rubin nose on run downs. let Both play to their strengths.
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I like Rogers at DE full time.. on "passing downs" ... just blitz the opposite side OLB and watch the pocket close.
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I like Rogers at DE full time.. on "passing downs" ... just blitz the opposite side OLB and watch the pocket close.
I'm thinking Rogers would be happier there too. It would be like Trick or Treating for him on passing downs. He's a wee bit too, ummm, free spirited to just clog up the middle and soak up blockers.
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Or blitz the same side LB and watch him run untouched to the QB for a sack.
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Do you think IF Rogers didnt get caught with a gun, we would have traded him? I do!!
I see nothing that indicates that. Our draft pretty much centered on upgrading our secondary. Now whether they changed their draft strategy "because" of the gun incident is anybody's guess. I mean our DL depth isn't exactly stellar IMO after the starters.
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I think after the gun thing happened, Rogers was worth more on the team then getting probably a 5th round pick for him.
Before the gun we probably could hav gotten a 2 or 3 for him (probably)
After the gun he was worth more on the team... then picking up some 4th string/practice squad linebaker or something in the 5th round.
Unless his incident altered their draft plans completely, which I don't think it did, I think the idea was pure message board speculation IMO
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