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Although I like the idea of the SB rotating to all NFL cities and the game being played in the elements - some of the most epic games I ever saw were in brutal weather - I don't think Greater Cleveland has the hotel space to host a Super Bowl.
While this may be a stand-alone true statement, greater northeast Ohio has plenty of hotels that can accomodate such an uprising.
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Although I like the idea of the SB rotating to all NFL cities and the game being played in the elements - some of the most epic games I ever saw were in brutal weather - I don't think Greater Cleveland has the hotel space to host a Super Bowl.
While this may be a stand-alone true statement, greater northeast Ohio has plenty of hotels that can accomodate such an uprising.
They look for a concentration of rooms. Not rooms spread out over 30 miles....and also they type of rooms.
Remember....75% of the people there aren't just fans....most have been given a ticket by their company.....say Gatorade.
You aren't really wanting to give a top performer a trip to the superbowl and then have them stay at a Howard Johnsons 15 miles out of town.
I don't know if Cleveland has enough rooms or not, but you can't start talking about greater northeast Ohio when looking for quality accommodations. Finding a Marriott in Akron isn't quite what the league is looking for.
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If you can get from the Marriot in Akron to the stadium in 60 minutes then it'll suffice.
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Renaissance Cleveland Hotel
www.marriott.com - (216) 696-5600 - 608 reviews
Cleveland Marriott Downtown At Key Center
www.espanol.marriott.com - (216) 696-9200 - 327 reviews
Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites Cleveland-Downtown
www.holidayinnexpress.com - (216) 443-1000 - 176 reviews
Embassy Suites Hotel Cleveland-Downtown
www.embassysuites.com - (216) 523-8000 - 385 reviews
Hyatt Regency Cleveland-Arcade
cleveland.hyatt.com - (216) 575-1234 - 747 reviews
Radisson Hotel Cleveland - Gateway
www.radisson.com - (216) 377-9000 - 144 reviews
Doubletree Hotel Cleveland Downtown/Lakeside
www.clevelanddowntownlakeside.doubletree.com - (216) 241-5100 - 274 reviews
That doesn't include Holiday Inn, Hilton, Marriott or Embassy suites in Independence.. it doesn't include the Marriott, Embassy suites, Quality and about 5 other hotels in Beachwood at 271 and Chagrin Blvd..
There are other hotels in Cleveland as well that are very very nice like the Wyndom and Hampton Inn (owned by Hilton).
And then there are all the hotels out by the airport.,.
Overall, my guess is that you would have about 40 Mid to upper scale hotels with 250 to 400 rooms per hotel which would be something like 10,000 to 16,000 rooms..
Then you have the Akron Hotels that are probably no more than an hour away..
Seems like a lot, but remember, the stadium holds roughly 72,000 people,, and most won't be local.. Wild guess (and that's all it is) is that locals would account for maybe 5000 to 10000 seats.. (and I bet that's high) the rest will need rooms..
And don't forget the media circus and players and families and NFL Big Wigs..
Maybe we have enough rooms within a 60 minute drive.. maybe. But it would be tight..
Makes me wonder how Jacksonville did it a few years ago.. I'm not sure, but I don't think they have any more hotels than we do.. at least not a significant amount more.....
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Overall, my guess is that you would have about 40 Mid to upper scale hotels with 250 to 400 rooms per hotel which would be something like 10,000 to 16,000 rooms..
For a stadium that seats what.... 60,000?
There would be far more than 16,000 coming in from out of town for a Super Bowl, even moreso if they stick with the Pro Bowl being the week prior and in the same city (I know they aren't doing that this coming year, but in the future they well may).
Hell, media people alone would probably account for 5,000.
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There are 138 hotels in the Cleveland market according to Expedia.
25 Wyndham
22 Marriot
21 Hilton
4 La Quinta
There is the Holiday Inn ..... Sheridan ..... Crown Plaza .....
And more as you get further out into the nearby suburbs.
Hotel rooms would not be a problem in the event that Cleveland hosted a Super Bowl. There were enough rooms when the NFL said that they would give Cleveland a Super Bowl if they put a room on the new stadium .... so I don't thnk there's a shortage today.
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I wasn't aware that the NFL ever actually said that. Well, we're fools for not putting a roof on, aren't we?
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It would have cost a considerable amount more to put a roof on ... and public opinion was overwhelmingly against it anyway.
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Oh, I understand that it would have cost more, but then the facility would have earned more as well. And, like I said... I guess that we're fools, aren't we? 
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Ppl in clevealnd dont think Dome football is football and goes against tradition and home field advantage esp late in the season/post season (if we get there).
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They did polls on a roof, and it was some ungodly % against .... something like 80% against ...... plus they put huge taxes on to pay for the stadium ... and they would have needed more if they had gone with a roof.
The sin tax would never have passed with a higher dollar amount for a roof.
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I know, I was here for all of that..... it doesn't change the "we're all fools" statement.
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Overall, my guess is that you would have about 40 Mid to upper scale hotels with 250 to 400 rooms per hotel which would be something like 10,000 to 16,000 rooms..
For a stadium that seats what.... 60,000?
There would be far more than 16,000 coming in from out of town for a Super Bowl, even moreso if they stick with the Pro Bowl being the week prior and in the same city (I know they aren't doing that this coming year, but in the future they well may).
Hell, media people alone would probably account for 5,000.
Stadium holds a little over 73,000. NFL requires 72,000. It also requires 24,500 hotel rooms within 60 minutes' drive from the stadium. I don't think that would be an issue. Hell, dock a couple cruise ships out there (I jest!).
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Overall, my guess is that you would have about 40 Mid to upper scale hotels with 250 to 400 rooms per hotel which would be something like 10,000 to 16,000 rooms..
For a stadium that seats what.... 60,000?
There would be far more than 16,000 coming in from out of town for a Super Bowl, even moreso if they stick with the Pro Bowl being the week prior and in the same city (I know they aren't doing that this coming year, but in the future they well may).
Hell, media people alone would probably account for 5,000.
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•8,754 Club Seats.
•10,644 Dawg Pound Seats (bleacher seating).
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16,000 rooms is chump change compared to what we'd need.. But I suspect it wouldn't be hard with all the hotels from Mentor to Westlake and from Downtown Cleveland to Akron out to the airport and then the Chagrin blvd area.., we could probalby come up with 100,000 rooms or more..
And all would be within a 1 hour drive of CBS..
So is it possible that we could host a Superbowl? sure it is. Is it likely.. oh hell no 
and if you go back up and read my entire post, you will see that I accounted for all the media and such...,
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I wonder how Cinci compares Hotel-space-wise... With the Hotels and Casinos inside that 60 minute window... It would suck to have them chosen over us BUT a Super Bowl in Ohio... 
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Not sure how Cincy stacks up.. probably similar to us I would guess.. Thier stadium is newer however and I would assume that would be a bigger attraction.. maybe..
The place in Ohio to have a Superbowl would be Columbus.. can you imagine playing it at the Shoe....LOL
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The place in Ohio to have a Superbowl would be Columbus.. can you imagine playing it at the Shoe....LOL
obviously, they should play the superbowl wherever the Ohio Glory used to play. if it's good enough for the World Football League, then it's good enough for the National Football League.
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The place in Ohio to have a Superbowl would be Columbus.. can you imagine playing it at the Shoe....LOL
You know, that would seriously rock! I've never been to the shoe but I'm sure the spectical would be insane!
After reading all the posts after mine again, and other comments from around the net, I still don't get why we need to care about all the sponsor "fans" needing a warm weather game to enjoy themselves. They aren't really fans of either team and I bet most of them sell their seats on eBay anyway. Yes, they fill the NFL's pockets with money.....but they'd still do it knowing the NFL is a wealthy cash cow regardless of where the Super Bowl is played.
And since when did the NFL bow down to anyone? They're doing this because they WANT to. Just like moving the draft to primetime against the NBA and NHL playoffs (or regular season - both have been going on forever).
As far as the weather, who cares! It's football. Last time Tom Brady played in the snow he threw 6 touchdowns. Didn't stop him. And even if it turns into a defensive game, those are fun to watch too.
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OT: Maybe they'll have a BCS game up north. I wanna see those southern teams try to run in some snow or mud. 
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OT: Maybe they'll have a BCS game up north. I wanna see those southern teams try to run in some snow or mud.
we saw it last year when Penn State beat LSU.
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OT: Maybe they'll have a BCS game up north. I wanna see those southern teams try to run in some snow or mud.
we saw it last year when Penn State beat LSU.
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Four field goals from Collin Wagner, including the last one with 57 seconds left, helped No. 13 Penn State to a 19-17 win against No. 12 LSU in the Capital One Bowl in sloppy conditions Friday on the Florida Citrus Bowl Stadium field.
In a game that saw dropped passes and dropped interceptions, players sliding in the mud and overall ball-control issues, .....
Instead, what was more of the story was the field. Since Dec. 11, the stadium has hosted eight high school football games and two bowl games, including the Champs Sports Bowl on Tuesday night between Wisconsin and Miami (Fla.). By the time Nick Sukay recovered a fumble on a desperation play for LSU on the final play of the game, the field had already become like a swamp for the players.
And I still maintain that is not the best way to determine who is the better team...
I understand this is football and not baseball and that playing in the elements is a part of it and I'm fine with that.. but in the end, the fact that Penn State had fewer weather induced screw ups than LSU doesn't make them the better team.
Penn State was a very good team and might have won anyway so don't think I'm saying they couldn't have won on a decent field.. but nobody in their right mind can walk away from a game like that thinking PSU is better because they won that game in those conditions like they did.
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but in the end, the fact that Penn State had fewer weather induced screw ups than LSU doesn't make them the better team.
On that particular day,,, it did!
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i disagree. that field was so bad to the point that style of play wasn't even the big factor. mental toughness won the day.
penn state was the mentally tougher team and was more willing to do what it took to get the tough yards and make the tough stops on that day. mental toughness is a huge part of football and i have no problem with it playing a big role in determining winners (just like when it gets cold, the first thing you need to do is determine that you won't let it affect you)
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Both teams have to play on the same field, in the same conditions.
You argue that the poor conditions slant the favor one way. If that is true, then the converse is equally true that "pristine" conditions would arguable slant the favor another way... in favor of a different style of play.
It boils down, then, to whichever team is better at a style of play that fits the weather conditions; and that means that NEITHER option is a true measure of which is actually the complete better team. They both are merely reflections of which team is better under certain conditions.
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And I still maintain that is not the best way to determine who is the better team...
So which team can adapt to the elements, adjust their game to the elements and execute the best in the elements isn't what football is about to a great extent?
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I understand this is football and not baseball and that playing in the elements is a part of it and I'm fine with that..
If you understand that and are fine with that, then what's the big deal?
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but in the end, the fact that Penn State had fewer weather induced screw ups than LSU doesn't make them the better team.
Really? Let me get this straight.....both teams knew the conditions. Players are supposed to be able to control the ball in the elements. Coaches are supposed to be able to call plays to fit the conditions. But yet you say Penn State did not play better on this day, on this field, in these conditions?
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Penn State was a very good team and might have won anyway so don't think I'm saying they couldn't have won on a decent field.. but nobody in their right mind can walk away from a game like that thinking PSU is better because they won that game in those conditions like they did.
I can. See, from what I'm gathering, you wish to give the advantage to warm weather teams. Teams that play up north are used to the cold in the winter. In many cases they are built around ball control and running the ball because of these very same conditions you describe. They use bigger bodies in many cases that may be slower, yet have more power. One relies more on leverage and power while the other relies on speed.
As stated, many warm weather teams often rely more on speed because they do not play in such conditions. Quicker, lighter defenders and more agile linemen because they don't have to worry about getting traction and working with poor conditions on a regular basis.
So when they play in warm weather, the heat is a shock to the system to cold weather teams. Their oponents are often quicker and more agile for this very reason.
So bottom line, if you set games up to where all cold weather teams must play championship games in warm weather, they must beat the odds to win. They must play in conditions their oponents are familiar with, used to and game plan regularly around.
A lot of times, the better team depends on where you play and the conditions they play in. On that day, on that field, in those conditions, Penn State was the better team.
Seems to me you want to tip the scales for warm weather teams with the logic I've seen you post. So tell me, what's so fair about that?
Why is it you seem to understand the elements are a part of the game, yet at the same time wish to take those elements out of the game?
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You argue that the poor conditions slant the favor one way.
No I don't. I argue that poor conditions slant the favor away from football talent, which team has the better ability to block, tackle, throw, catch, run, kick, etc and which team has the better gameplan.. and make it more about lucky bounces, bad breaks, a slick ball, inopportune slips and falls because of a sloppy field, etc..
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It boils down, then, to whichever team is better at a style of play that fits the weather conditions; and that means that NEITHER option is a true measure of which is actually the complete better team. They both are merely reflections of which team is better under certain conditions.
So are you telling me that JoPa recruits players that are better on crappy fields in a rain storm? Does Penn State keep its field in torn up crappy swamp like condition so it has a homefield advantage? Does Wisconsin play in a dome and set the temp to 16 degrees inside in September to give it that "up north" feeling?
I disagree in that teams practice and prepare for decent weather and decent playing conditions, then adapt to the other..
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So which team can adapt to the elements, adjust their game to the elements and execute the best in the elements isn't what football is about to a great extent?
To some extent.. but almost all college games (other than bowls) are done by the end of November. Aside from a few Rocky Mountain teams, very very few college games are played in extreme cold or snow (I will wait now while somebody goes to find a few...  ) .. there is virtually no "January in Green Bay" going on in college like it does in the NFL...
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If you understand that and are fine with that, then what's the big deal?
I understand the elements are a natural part of the ups and downs of a season... but to whatever extent possible the effect of the elements on a championship game should be minimized.
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Really? Let me get this straight.....both teams knew the conditions. Players are supposed to be able to control the ball in the elements. Coaches are supposed to be able to call plays to fit the conditions. But yet you say Penn State did not play better on this day, on this field, in these conditions?
That's not what I said.. what I said was they played less bad in crappy conditions which caused 6 fumbles and countless drops and slips by both teams.. proof that players couldn't control the ball, couldn't control themselves, play calling was all but irrelevant and was more about who could stand up than who could execute a football play.. it was a battle of attrition, not a battle of football ability.
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See, from what I'm gathering, you wish to give the advantage to warm weather teams.
I can see why you might think that but its not the case.. See if you could go back to my early post on having the super bowl in NY.. you will see a post about the weather in NY in early Feb.. typical temp is high 30s, low 40s.. Heck I've played soccer in shorts in colder temps than that, that should be nothing.. it's not so much some cold.. 40s, no problem.. 30s, no problem.. 20s aren't even much of a problem.. start getting into the teens and below and it really starts having an impact.. when is the last time PSU played a game in the teens?
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My major complaint is the sloppy field, the sloppy ball more than just a bit of cold.. if bad conditions happen, then play in them.. but don't invite them by scheduling a neutral field championship game on a field where the odds of having crappy conditions is high...
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Ponder this.. my whole point is simple.. the more extreme the weather conditions, the more the outcome is dictated by something other than just pure football skill and scheme.. If you could play every championship football game in ideal conditions, IMO it would be 50 degrees and dry with light winds.. not so hot everybodys dehydrated and cramping, not so cold that people can't feel their fingers.. I just think that the team that would win most games in those conditions are the most talented team so I would prefer to see championship games played in those conditions
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My biggest complaint is that those "warmer weather teams" have basically home field advantage. Do you remeber the sugar bowl? That was in LSU's freakin back yard. USC can see the Rose Bowl from there campus. The orange bowl is in ACC country and the fiesta bowl is close to teams like Texas, Oklahoma, etc. Why doesn' the Midwest get a bowl game? Why can't they play at the Colts new dome?
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So what happens when they play the game in a southern location and it pours rain for the whole week and throughout the game, turning the field to mush? Postpone the game? Move it to a domed location?
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They should just make it a series.....best of 3.....one game in each teams home stadium, and one at a neutral location  actually heck with neutral (were not switzerland ) best record gets the 2 home games.... heck...make it best of 5....would be a trip to see how teams would game plan each other.... don't know why nfl even does it that way....your teams city should get the benefit.....baseball and basketball do it that way....why doesn't football... that would be a true test of the best....
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Why doesn' the Midwest get a bowl game? Why can't they play at the Colts new dome?
There are a number of places.. Minnesota, Detroit, Indy.. any of which could host a major bowl game/national championship and I wouldn't care... you'd have to take that fight up with the NCAA and the bowl sponsors...
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So what happens when they play the game in a southern location and it pours rain for the whole week and throughout the game, turning the field to mush? Postpone the game? Move it to a domed location?
Nooooooo... I already stated that whatever the weather is, you play the game... you just don't invite crappy weather by scheduling the national championship (or super bowl) in Denver or Green Bay in January/February
Look I know golf isn't football but for a second look at the analogy.. there is a reason they start in Hawaii in the winter, move through Arizona, into Florida then in the heat of summer they go north and midwest.. They follow the best weather for a few reasons.. one being it attracts more fans.. nobody wants to go watch golf in Michigan in February or Arizona in July.. it also creates the best playing conditions so the best players in the world can showcase their golf talent.. if it happens to rain or if it happens to be really windy on Sunday of a major.. oh well, you play it anyway but you don't purposely schedule it that way... hell even the British, though we tend to think the weather looks awful, is still scheduled to be at the best time of year...
If I'm watching the super bowl, I want to watch the best football players in the world execute football plays, not slide around in the slop and have trouble holding onto the wet muddy ball and drop passes because they can't feel their fingers...
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Yet you're perfectly happy to watch them do so in each and every round of the playoffs prior to the Super Bowl if that's the way the seeding and weather breaks?
Personally, I would prefer that the team with the best record hosted the Super Bowl .... but I know that will never happen because the game has become such an event that they need months in advance to perpare .... but it would be nice.
Weather is part of the game of football. It is a fall/winter sport, played outdoors. I could see wanting to play a championship in a game like baseball where they cancel a series over a little rain ..... but football is a man's game ... played in the elements ... and may the best team win.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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How is this any different than if it would rain at a Super Bowl down south?
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Apparently its because rain would be unexpected, so its ok.
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