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However, this Community Center issue is a local New York City issue. Your opinion on it, Boehner's opinion on it, the President's opinion on it, this "Pastor's" opinion on it are meaningless.
Then why is what a pastor does with some books on his own property on his own time a global issue?
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However, this Community Center issue is a local New York City issue. Your opinion on it, Boehner's opinion on it, the President's opinion on it, this "Pastor's" opinion on it are meaningless.
Then why is what a pastor does with some books on his own property on his own time a global issue?
oh oh oh, can I answer that...
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Because the media made it so. Otherwise it is 50 people standing around a 55 gallon drum in the backlot of their church burning paper.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Could also be that in one case the Muslims are acting sort of insensitive and are refusing to make any concessions at all.. in the other case the Christian is acting insensitive and refusing to make concessions...
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Then why is what a pastor does with some books on his own property on his own time a global issue?
Because politicans love to "pick" on a specific group. They know that provoking a religion is not a good idea. So, they provoke the religion hoping that another nut does something. The Republican Party and Tea Party want to provoke Radical Muslims into another terrorist attack. Why? Because they hate Obama and they believe they can exploit a terrorist attack to win an election.
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The Republican Party and Tea Party want to provoke Radical Muslims into another terrorist attack. Why? Because they hate Obama and they believe they can exploit a terrorist attack to win an election.
so, the GOP and TP want Americans to die and are plotting ways for it to happen?
think you may have read a couple too many of those conspiracy theory books
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so, the GOP and TP want Americans to die and are plotting ways for it to happen?
think you may have read a couple too many of those conspiracy theory books
When you run off of vitriol and hatred, that happens.
Hatred leads to violence. The Republican Party and Tea Party are running on an Anti-Muslim platform. They are creating an "us" vs "them" mentality.
They are playing right into Al-Qaeda's modus operandi that America hates Muslims. America hating Muslims and treating them as second or third class citizens leads to increased recruitment for Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda wants to carry out another terrorist attack on the United States. So, indirectly, yes, they are doing that.
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So then after 8 years of Clinton kissing up to them and not responding to any of their attacks on us with any real military response.. why did they attack us on 9/11?
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so, the GOP and TP want Americans to die and are plotting ways for it to happen?
think you may have read a couple too many of those conspiracy theory books
When you run off of vitriol and hatred, that happens.
Hatred leads to violence. The Republican Party and Tea Party are running on an Anti-Muslim platform. They are creating an "us" vs "them" mentality.
They are playing right into Al-Qaeda's modus operandi that America hates Muslims. America hating Muslims and treating them as second or third class citizens leads to increased recruitment for Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda wants to carry out another terrorist attack on the United States. So, indirectly, yes, they are doing that.
see, this is why I stay out of these threads for the most part. if you lead off with this post, then I would agree with you. it is fair and reasoned as there is fear mongering (from both sides) and it has unintended consequences (this being the most extreme but still a possibility).
however, you lead off with the GOP 'wanting' and 'hoping' for a terrorist attack and plotting to get one. that is just silly.
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So then after 8 years of Clinton kissing up to them and not responding to any of their attacks on us with any real military response.. why did they attack us on 9/11?
He did respond militarily. He bombed Al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan in ... 1999 I believe. This was in response to the USS Cole bombing I believe. Again, ths was a while ago and my memory is not that great. I was more interested in ... yea something other than politics at the time.
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Are you talking about the asprin factory he bombed in 1998 after the embassy bombings....the one many have said he did to divert attention from his sex scandal trials???? the one in which they had very flimsy evidence concerning the production of VX gas????(They said they found a precurser to the production of VX gas.....EMPTA....but it was in only one of 2 soil samples and there are other explanations for why it could have been there such as the production of plastics...etc)
Yeah...Clinton sure let Al Quesda have it there...so much so that thousands of Sudanese died because the drugs produced at that factory didn't make it to them...
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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He did respond militarily. He bombed Al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan in ... 1999 I believe. This was in response to the USS Cole bombing I believe.
He dropped a few bombs from far away, they said we killed 20 people or so.. then he didn't follow up, he did nothing after.. basically he slapped them on the wrist.
When we had two of our embassys bombed in Kenya and Tanzania, a couple weeks later Bill Clinton bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan (it was reported that the factory was making nerve gas).. that's probably what you are thinking of.. we then paid the owner of the factory about $50 million for the mistake when he sued us.
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He dropped a few bombs from far away, they said we killed 20 people or so.. then he didn't follow up, he did nothing after.. basically he slapped them on the wrist.
When we had two of our embassys bombed in Kenya and Tanzania, a couple weeks later Bill Clinton bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan (it was reported that the factory was making nerve gas).. that's probably what you are thinking of.. we then paid the owner of the factory about $50 million for the mistake when he sued us.
No, I am talking about when he bombed the training camp in Afghanistan. Not when he bombed the building in Sudan. But the training camp in Afghanistan targeting Osama bin Laden. Of course, the bombs missed bin Laden by something like 15 minutes or such. But still, Clinton responded militarily be bombing the crap out of that camp. Republicans at the time claimed it was an attempt to distract from his "sex scandal".
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Oh, I am very tolerant of Christians. I am just sick and tired of their holier than thou attitude. They love to demonize and point out the flaws in Islam. But, the second anyone, ANYONE does the same to them, they cry out that they are being persecuted.
lol. Holier than thou attitude? Pot meet kettle.
When radical Christians start flying airplanes into buildings in Iran or an Islamic leader starts telling a 50 member mosque to watch what they say about those Christians or Jews because it could put their soldiers in harms way, give us a call.
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NRTU, Charlie.
First off I'd like to apologize to all for being deeply upset with people who were actively plotting to murder my child and 5-600 of his classmates. I should just go to them and sing Kumbaya.
Oh, yes, I seem to recall one of the other four schools was in Wisconsin, and maybe one in Ohio. Just in case anybody is interested. Chagrin Falls is in Ohio, isn't it? Any bones being chilled?
Yes, the original report was some years ago. Don't recall any statement that they have given up on the idea. Also don't recall any statement from any Muslim leader that this would be a bad thing.
Unable to verify the mortar shells, but a five-minute Google did uncover 2 155-mm shells with 4 LITERS of Sarin, not sure if that was each, or in total. Maximum kill value approx 10,000, of course you'd never get that but an enclosed space is a nearly ideal situation. DoD verified. I do remember the mortars, though, I remember thinking it was odd to use such a comparatively short-range delivery system.
Wonder if that training camp had any dishwashers, cooks, or laundry guys? If any of them were killed, would that be OK? Charlie? Anybody? Should we only use Democratic, or Republican, bombs?
If the aspirin factory HAD been a nerve gas factory, how many dead Sudanese would be an acceptable loss? Bet the factory had cooks and dishwashers, at least. Probably no laundry guys, though.
I'm glad somebody brought up Columbine, if you had to choose, that scenario would be preferable as you are looking at an aprox 5% max kill ratio versus nearly 100% for a gas attack. Would also like to reference Virginia Tech, where several dozen healthy, 20-something men and women largely sat around waiting to be shot. Some did jump out windows, but absolutely NONE took any constructive action, offensive or defensive, except for an elderly teacher who held a door closed for a few moments, allowing several students to escape out the windows. He died.
Best bet if such a situation begins is to remain still and hope he doesn't pull the trigger. Once people start dying, you should have already evaluated whether you can escape or hide. If that is not possible, then ATTACK with all the violence you can muster. Your odds against an armed assailant are low, but higher than zero.
If you wish to do nothing, that is your choice but after he's capped #1 and #2 , and you're third in line, you will have very little time to re-evaluate your plan of action. Thus I have instructed my 12-year-old, after his sister and two friends were robbed at gunpoint. They all lived.
That is a Micro view of a Macro situation. Please establish with the training camp and not-quite-nerve-gas factory just how many degrees of separation is required to constitute un-acceptable loss. From there, it becomes a matter of degree and numbers.
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NRTU, Charlie.
First off I'd like to apologize to all for being deeply upset with people who were actively plotting to murder my child and 5-600 of his classmates. I should just go to them and sing Kumbaya.
Oh, yes, I seem to recall one of the other four schools was in Wisconsin, and maybe one in Ohio. Just in case anybody is interested. Chagrin Falls is in Ohio, isn't it? Any bones being chilled?
Yes, the original report was some years ago. Don't recall any statement that they have given up on the idea. Also don't recall any statement from any Muslim leader that this would be a bad thing.
Unable to verify the mortar shells, but a five-minute Google did uncover 2 155-mm shells with 4 LITERS of Sarin, not sure if that was each, or in total. Maximum kill value approx 10,000, of course you'd never get that but an enclosed space is a nearly ideal situation. DoD verified. I do remember the mortars, though, I remember thinking it was odd to use such a comparatively short-range delivery system.
Wonder if that training camp had any dishwashers, cooks, or laundry guys? If any of them were killed, would that be OK? Charlie? Anybody? Should we only use Democratic, or Republican, bombs?
If the aspirin factory HAD been a nerve gas factory, how many dead Sudanese would be an acceptable loss? Bet the factory had cooks and dishwashers, at least. Probably no laundry guys, though.
I'm glad somebody brought up Columbine, if you had to choose, that scenario would be preferable as you are looking at an aprox 5% max kill ratio versus nearly 100% for a gas attack. Would also like to reference Virginia Tech, where several dozen healthy, 20-something men and women largely sat around waiting to be shot. Some did jump out windows, but absolutely NONE took any constructive action, offensive or defensive, except for an elderly teacher who held a door closed for a few moments, allowing several students to escape out the windows. He died.
Best bet if such a situation begins is to remain still and hope he doesn't pull the trigger. Once people start dying, you should have already evaluated whether you can escape or hide. If that is not possible, then ATTACK with all the violence you can muster. Your odds against an armed assailant are low, but higher than zero.
If you wish to do nothing, that is your choice but after he's capped #1 and #2 , and you're third in line, you will have very little time to re-evaluate your plan of action. Thus I have instructed my 12-year-old, after his sister and two friends were robbed at gunpoint. They all lived.
That is a Micro view of a Macro situation. Please establish with the training camp and not-quite-nerve-gas factory just how many degrees of separation is required to constitute un-acceptable loss. From there, it becomes a matter of degree and numbers.
Huh? Seriously, and not to sound rude, I can't make any sense of that.
You are angry about something and Kumbaya and Columbine and Virginia Tech and kill ratios.
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I'll simplify the question for you, Charlie. You are proud of Clinton for bombing the training camp. Assuming there were folks there who were just cooks, or dishwashers, if Clinton's bombs had killed some, is that acceptable?
If not, how would you propose to avoid killing the non-combatants? How would you propose to tell the difference?
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I'll simplify the question for you, Charlie. You are proud of Clinton for bombing the training camp. Assuming there were folks there who were just cooks, or dishwashers, if Clinton's bombs had killed some, is that acceptable?
If not, how would you propose to avoid killing the non-combatants? How would you propose to tell the difference?
There's a difference between collateral damage and genocide. What people have a problem with is your "Kill em all, Let God sort em out" mentality.
If you overstated your point and you'd wanted to say that you wanted every terrorist dead rather than every Muslim, I don't think anyone here would disagree.
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I'll simplify the question for you, Charlie. You are proud of Clinton for bombing the training camp. Assuming there were folks there who were just cooks, or dishwashers, if Clinton's bombs had killed some, is that acceptable?
I'm not proud of it. I just pointed out that Clinton did respond militarily to Al-Qaeda's attacks on US Embassies and such. Missiles were launched at numerous Al-Qaeda training camps located in Afghanistan. If "cooks" were killed in those camps. Well, they were under the employ of Al-Qaeda. Even if they were just "family" visiting a loved family member who was a member of Al-Qaeda. War is hell and innocent people die in war.
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You cannot avoid killing non-combatants. The military may refrain from an attack while a significant number of non-combatants are there. But, even then. If Osama bin Laden was discovered right now visiting his grandson or something (this is based on the assumption that he has grandchildren) would you not take the shot? Yes innocents may be killed. It is unfortunate. Unfortunate things happen in wartime.
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If Osama bin Laden was discovered right now visiting his grandson or something (this is based on the assumption that he has grandchildren) would you not take the shot? Yes innocents may be killed. It is unfortunate. Unfortunate things happen in wartime.
It has been reported that Bill Clinton had just such a shot but that the son of one of the rulers from the UAE was in the building or the tent or the area, not sure which.. and Clinton refused to take the shot because it would make some people upset.. this was a couple years before 9/11.
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It has been reported that Bill Clinton had just such a shot but that the son of one of the rulers from the UAE was in the building or the tent or the area, not sure which.. and Clinton refused to take the shot because it would make some people upset.. this was a couple years before 9/11.
Good thing he didn't take that shot. It isn't some random kid. It is the son of the rulers of the United Arab Emirates. Killing him along with bin Laden would have potential de-stabilized the Middle East even further and instead of having to deal with just bin Laden there very well could have been 1,500 bin Laden's.
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Now there is that "war is hell" but appease the Muslims attitude we have all come to know and love... The "kid" was knowingly in the building with the person who had already publicly taken credit for multiple attacks on our embassies and our assets abroad... war is either hell or its not.
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Now there is that "war is hell" but appease the Muslims attitude we have all come to know and love... The "kid" was knowingly in the building with the person who had already publicly taken credit for multiple attacks on our embassies and our assets abroad... war is either hell or its not.
There are times when you will simply exascerbate the situation by reacting militarily and times when you won't. Had Clinton bombed that building at that point, it woudl have exascerbated the situation.
For instance, let's use Slobadan Milosevic, the Butcher from Belgrade. He was a war criminal he is responsible for ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Had the US had a clean shot at him during a diplomatic meeting with the President of Russia, China, and Bulgaria should they take the shot?
Sure, the attack would leave the President of Russia, China, and Bulgaria all dead. But, at least Milosevic would be dead, too right? Doing such an act would absolutely lead to open hostilities not only with Yugoslavia but also Russia, China, and Bulgaria. What was a simple little war against Yugoslavia would/could grow to a much larger conflict. Much like what led to World War I.
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Muslim communities, or nations, are doing little or nothing to protest the outrages committed by the terrorists in their ranks.....
I have had children attending one of those schools. So when someone tells me about how we should not offend the Muslims, my response is "Offend them? Kill them. Kill them all. Kill every last one of them, do not leave two bricks standing, cut off their heads, blow them to bits, wipe them from the face of the earth."
You didn't differentiate extremist, terrorists, Muslims in Afghanistan, or Muslims in Iraq, or whatever. You said EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Which by what you wrote meant anyone that is Muslim, regardless of country, community, race.
You blame every Muslim for what the terrorist do because they don't publicly denounce them. So for every rapist, murderer, child molester that is of the same race, religion or nationality that you are, I will hold you accountable unless you public denounce them.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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There are times when you will simply exascerbate the situation by reacting militarily and times when you won't. Had Clinton bombed that building at that point, it woudl have exascerbated the situation.
Maybe... killing bin laden at any point was going to exascerbate the situation and make him a martyr.. of course it would have been far less of one then than he would be now. Killing the kid from UAE.. ooops.
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Had the US had a clean shot at him during a diplomatic meeting with the President of Russia, China, and Bulgaria should they take the shot?
Was there a chance that Milosevic was going to leave the meeting and move into a cave where we might never be able to find him again? Nope.. so no need to risk that kind of collateral damage.
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If Osama bin Laden was discovered right now visiting his grandson or something (this is based on the assumption that he has grandchildren) would you not take the shot? Yes innocents may be killed. It is unfortunate. Unfortunate things happen in wartime.
It has been reported that Bill Clinton had just such a shot but that the son of one of the rulers from the UAE was in the building or the tent or the area, not sure which.. and Clinton refused to take the shot because it would make some people upset.. this was a couple years before 9/11.
Actually, he didn't do it because assassinations violate the Geneva Convention. There was a lot less tolerance for stuff like that pre-9/11.
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Just trying to clarify here.
So killing "some" non-combatants is OK? As I said, it now becomes a numbers game. What is the magic number? Less than 10, 100, 1,000, etc? Well I guess just ONE if it happens to be an important one.
Was the objective in the attack to kill EVERYONE in the camp? How is it KNOWN that these guys were Al-Qaida? Was there a sign, is it posted on the map to Mecca, what? How was this specific camp linked to a specific attack?
How do YOU "sort them out"?
We have established that it is necessary to kill SOME Muslims. We have established that it is NOT POSSIBLE to avoid killing SOME Muslims who are NOT Terrorists.
It is not necessary to actually kill them all to solve the problem. Convince them that you will, and they will solve the problem themselves, internally. Which is the only way it will be solved, other than total annihilation.
Now follow me along here, folks, I'll try to go slow. Only the Muslim Community as a whole can separate their own bad apples with as few mistakes as possible. Continued "surgical" strikes will continue to cause increasing "collateral damage". The only way to get them to purge their ranks is to make the consequences for failure more dangerous (painful) than confronting the murderous animals in their midst. Therefore, convincing them that 'if the attacks continue we will wipe them out' is the humane thing to do.
I'm open to a more effective alternative.
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Now there is that "war is hell" but appease the Muslims attitude we have all come to know and love... The "kid" was knowingly in the building with the person who had already publicly taken credit for multiple attacks on our embassies and our assets abroad... war is either hell or its not.
If you sleep with the dogs, you wake up with fleas. In this case "fleas" should have been a euphemism for "cruise missile in your ear".
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Was the objective in the attack to kill EVERYONE in the camp? How is it KNOWN that these guys were Al-Qaida? Was there a sign, is it posted on the map to Mecca, what? How was this specific camp linked to a specific attack?
Mecca has nothing to do with it. They were Al-Qaeda because they were Al-Qaeda.
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Through reliable espionage - spying, spy satellites, etc..
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No, it is best not to. I am just saying that in times of war. If a building blows up or is bombed there are innocent people that are killed. That is how war is. But, gunning down an entire village of 1,500 people because you think one of them is your enemy is not a smart move. In fact, that IS a War Crime.
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It is not necessary to actually kill them all to solve the problem. Convince them that you will, and they will solve the problem themselves, internally. Which is the only way it will be solved, other than total annihilation.
Uh, huh. So, threaten people of a certain descent with death and torture because you want them to go after somebody. No, that is extremely unethical and is War Crimes material.
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So, you are saying threaten to bomb entire cities filled with thousands, even millions of people because you want them to go after somebody. That is a War Crime. There is a name for what you are implying the United States do. It is called State-Sponsored Terrorism.
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It is not necessary to actually kill them all to solve the problem. Convince them that you will, and they will solve the problem themselves, internally. Which is the only way it will be solved, other than total annihilation.
Or you convince more of them to fight America.
A more effective alternative....How about anything OTHER than what you suggest.
We have not established that it is necessary to kill some Muslims. We have established its necessary to kill some terrorists. This is NOT a question of attacking a people. Its a question of attacking a terrorist organization.
I can't believe that you don't see that essentially what you are condoning is terrorist strikes. Maybe you should advocate attacking a school in Syria just to really get even.
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I hereby publicly denounce any member of my particular minority group, Left-Handed Lithuanians named Bob, born on a Tuesday at 2 pm in Toledo (either Ohio or Spain, we are an international minority) that has committed any act of Terrorism, Rape, Murder, or is planning to commit any similar heinous act. I will fully support absolute and complete punishment of any individual LLNBs, or group thereof, involved in such activities.
I would also like to proclaim that there have been no reported instances of any group or individual LLNB's advocating, condoning, or actively supporting any such actual or planned act. Also that any and all LLNBs can be counted on to report any knowledge of such activities to the authorities.
Also, there are no known instances of LLNB's in large numbers chanting "Death to America", or any other nation or group, nor celebrating joyously at the reported deaths of large numbers of civilians. Should any such instance occur, I and my fellow LLNBs will immediately denounce, use all possible methods to end, and make strenuous efforts to ensure that no such events occur in the future.
I can confidently assure you that any LLNB you can find, anywhere in the world, will make the same assertion.
Oh, yes, though we are not actual signatories to the Geneva Convention, we have ratified it internally and agree that any and all fighters engaged in armed combat who make no effort to distinguish themselves from civilians in any way are, upon capture, subject to summary execution. We adhere to the rules of civilized warfare.
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There's a serial killer up here named Robert Pickton. People may call him Bob.
I hereby believe that to be safe we should wipe out all people named Bob.
Although you may denounce this particular Bob, I'm going to send a message to other Bobs by knocking you off too.
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My proposed method has been effective not just once, but twice. For many years with the Soviets, with little loss of life, and earlier with an enemy with a somewhat similar mindset, the Japanese. Losses around 250,000 against estimated casualties for an invasion of one to several million. I know my father was due to ship out for that, before I or my two brothers was born. Most likely for a fair number of you it's the same.
Letting the enemy believe that you will just do nothing and wait to be killed SFAIK has never been shown to be a workable strategy.
Just saying "no, not That, Anything but That", is not even an attempt at another alternative. Do you suggest that we continue on the present course indefinitely?
As for one enemy in a village of 1500, how about 100 out of 200? 150 out of 155? How many of those are you going to undertake before shaking the big stick becomes the better choice?
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I could reply to your proposed action with "not if I see you coming" but instead I am so concerned about the possible negative outcome that, knowing my Bobs far better than you, I will personally hunt down all suspected Bob serial killers and eliminate them for you.
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Your solution was NOT effective with the Soviets. The US had nuclear detente with the Soviets...and you were just as scared of them as they were of you. You did not use massive force.
The nuclear attacks on Japan are still a topic of debate. Some say they saved lives. Others say it was unneccesary. What virtually all say is that it was horrific and something that should never be repeated hence the SALT treaties, Nuclear non-proliferation and ongoing disarmament.
I suggest that you attack the enemy, not the people. I suggest that the West continue to withdraw troops and let the Middle East take care of their own affairs. I say that the various intelligence agencies continue to do their jobs and stop terrorists before they strike.
Condoning wholesale slaughter of innocents shouldn't even be seen as a last resort.
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Or you unite your Bobs as a threat to your people and start knocking my people off.
See how this works>?
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j/c
the problem here is that people identify all terrorist as Muslims. Take their faith out of it, these people are the radical, radical wing of Muslims.
Instead, we should all be in favor of committing genocide on terrorist. They won't stop, I don't see why we should...
you had a good run Hank.
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In both cases, we convinced the enemy that we would kill more of them then they could withstand, with the result that they either ceased, or declined to initiate, hostile action. Not much debate on the Japanese action among those with knowledge of the situation. They were training women and boys to fight with pointed sticks, and they would have.
Sure we should never do it again. Unless we have to.
Your solution is simply to do nothing and wait to be killed. However, being Canadian, you are at a somewhat lower risk level.
They will keep trying. Sooner or later they will get lucky.
You can't seperate the enemy from the people, they won't handle their own affairs unless forced, and the intelligence agencies will not be able to stop all the attacks.
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Quote:
What was proven false? The nerve gas shells? Approximately a dozen were found, apparently left over from the Iran-Iraq war. Mortar shells, 60-80 mm as I recall. Reported several places, including liberal media who dismissed them for being old. Does there being old mean they did not exist?
We sold/gave those to him. We knew they were there.
We knew exactly what he did and didn't have ... we just needed a reason to invade a non-threatening easy target.
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In both cases, we convinced the enemy that we would kill more of them then they could withstand, with the result that they either ceased, or declined to initiate, hostile action. Not much debate on the Japanese action among those with knowledge of the situation. They were training women and boys to fight with pointed sticks, and they would have.
We turned the Cold War into a spending war we knew they couldn't win, knowing that neither side was likely to use any force.
I don't see how it fits your argument in the slightest.
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Get off it. You make it sound like there's constant terrorist attacks. There isn't.
You say "they" will keep trying until they get lucky. THEY (Muslims) aren;t going away. You cannot wipe out a religion. Any attempt to do so would be devastation that would be unimaginable.
You look to eliminate the radical, violent faction. The direct threat.
You're right about one thing. People won't handle their affairs unless forced. But the best way to force them is to take the US out of the equation and let them resolve their own problems. Not to wipe out an entire population.
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