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mandates that beginning in 2012 all companies will have to issue 1099 tax forms not just to contract workers but to any individual or corporation from which they buy more than $600 in goods or services in a tax year.
So, I'm going to have to 1099 the datacenter company that I buy my rack space from just so I can host this site?
Gee... thank you Obama 
Yep. That would be correct.
On the bright side .... the IRS will probably have to hire more people to keep track of all of this stuff .......
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Forcing people to hire more people to handle government required paperwork, the backdoor method of fixing unemployment. 
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Yep. That would be correct.
On the bright side .... the IRS will probably have to hire more people to keep track of all of this stuff .......
And they are. More people will get audited in the coming year than probably ever before.
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We probably spend something like 10 to 20 k a year on legal fees.. we operate in 26 different states.. you wanna talk about a cluster fudge of paperwork, rules, taxes, state franchise fees etc etc.. then you have all the little muni's..
Then we have to have a statutory agent in each state as well.. it's just crazy the amount of paperwork that goes on.
Some folks don't get it however.. if there was no change in the healthcare situation, we probably wouldn't have used our lawyers time for that. but it would have been used for something else.. I guarantee ya.
Each year, there is at least one state that says we didn't do what we were supposed to do.. so we sic our attorney on them..
Workers Comp is a biggy.. don't even get me started on that pile of doggy doo
I also get a kick out of folks on here not liking what I'm saying.. it is what it is and I can't help it if it doesn't fit an agenda...
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Daman, I'm not going to pick on you but.. Quote:
if there was no change in the healthcare situation, we probably wouldn't have used our lawyers time for that. but it would have been used for something else.. I guarantee ya.
So are you saying the other hypothetical problem you would have needed him for has gone away or are you really saying that you will still need to pay him to look at that one too (whenever it comes up)?
You spend money on attorneys, I get it.. you spent $15k that you wouldn't have had to spend without the healthcare bill.. in reality if its a one time thing it's not that bad but if this thing continues to evolve an face legal challenges and it becomes a once a year thing to make sure are up on the changes, it's going to get ridiculous...
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WE didn't HAVE to use an attorney, we CHOSE to use one.
WE are respectable business men that run a clean business. no shady dealings.. And we intend to keep it that way..
I recognize that I'm not giving you guys the fodder you want,,, I know you all want to hear how horrible things are since the Healthcare reform bill passed and that the world is going to crash down..
Sorry,, really.. Sorry I can't give what everyone wants. I can only give what I got.
I'm tired of being questioned about a freakin a decision we made that was prudent. We covered our butts..
If the healthcare bill stands, we are covered for years to come..,, so if you really want to think about it another way,, look at the cost of an attorney amortized over the life of reform
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The point they are making is just that you guys needed to spend that money to ensure that your butts were covered.... thus, from a Total Cost of Ownership point of view, your Health Care plan - at least for this year - IS the cost of the insurance PLUS those legal fees.
No matter what justification is used, it is still money that your company needed to spend to ensure compliance, etc... it is a cost.
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The point is that you've got a first hand account of how the system actually does work for a business owner. Why not jsut accept it?
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And I get it as well, daman - I'm not trying to pick on you, honestly.
But in all sincerity - I don't care if you paid your attorney $5, or $50,000 - if he's giving you "definites" on costs and what not, he's milking you.
Hell, the federal gov't. itself doesn't know exactly what's in this "health care reform" bill. And they admit it.
Insurance companies don't know what's in it. And that's their job!!!!
You got a rate for now. When basically none of the "reform" part kicks in, other than higher taxes - to pay for the reform in a few years.
If you can't see that - no problem on my part. You will.
Now, originally you stated you were small.........but now you state you operate in 25 states. And you pay attorneys - rightfully so.
I am in NO way questioning your above board status as a "clean, doing it the right way" business.
I am, however, questioning your attorneys determination that your rates will be reduced, as well as your coverage increased, when not ONE single person knows that.
Perhaps your rates will decrease for the coming year - no problem with me understanding that. But the "reform" doesn't kick in until 2012. Your attorney made you aware of that, right?
Let's face it, there is no way to insure 30 million more americans without rates going up for ALL americans. I understand the gov't. has said they will pay for some of it by reducing medicare and medicaid payments. What is not stated is hospitals and doctors will quit seeing new medicare and medicaid patients.
This really has nothing to do with you or your business per se - it has to do with you stating "we got our rates lowered, and our benefits raised", and insinuating that the health care reform bill would be good for most people.
When reality hits, we'll all see that it was a bad move for the country, and it was a bad move for health care. THIS bill, that is. True health care reform is needed, ok? This isn't reform - this is bigger government.
Again, I don't doubt you benefit short term. But I also don't doubt the doctors I speak with, and the hospital Administrators I speak with. We'll find out in 2 to 5 years, won't we?
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The point is that you've got a first hand account of how the system actually does work for a business owner. Why not jsut accept it?
I'm not refusing to accept anything, I'm pointing out a perspective.
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The point is that you've got a first hand account of how the system actually does work for a business owner. Why not jsut accept it?
I'm not refusing to accept anything, I'm pointing out a perspective.
So why not take the facts from someone who has made a decision, paid the money to get legal advice on it and found a course within his best interest that works with the new bill?
It cracks me up that people are so dead set against this that they refuse to acknowledge that someone has gotten compliant and that everything is just fine?
Stick to your opinion but I think it's ridiculous that people are telling a guy who paid for legal advice and counsel to make an educated decision that he is wrong based upon the fact that they have an OPINION contrary.
He did the right thing for his business and it seems to work out ok.
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What are you talking about?
I'm pointing out the fact that those legal fees, not matter how else you wish to view it, are a part of his costs... that's it, end of story.
is it *really* that confusing?????
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I'm pointing out the fact that those legal fees, not matter how else you wish to view it, are a part of his costs... that's it, end of story.
is it *really* that confusing?????
Sorry Purp, I wasn't precisely commenting to you. Forgot to put the j/c.
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The point they are making is just that you guys needed to spend that money to ensure that your butts were covered.... thus, from a Total Cost of Ownership point of view, your Health Care plan - at least for this year - IS the cost of the insurance PLUS those legal fees.
No matter what justification is used, it is still money that your company needed to spend to ensure compliance, etc... it is a cost.
No,, That isn't what they are doing.. they are just ticked off because it isn't what they want to hear,., otherwise, they'd just take it at face value
And NO, I didn't HAVE to hire a lawyer, we felt it was the WISE thing to do..
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The point they are making is just that you guys needed to spend that money to ensure that your butts were covered.... thus, from a Total Cost of Ownership point of view, your Health Care plan - at least for this year - IS the cost of the insurance PLUS those legal fees.
No matter what justification is used, it is still money that your company needed to spend to ensure compliance, etc... it is a cost.
No,, That isn't what they are doing.. they are just ticked off because it isn't what they want to hear,., otherwise, they'd just take it at face value
And NO, I didn't HAVE to hire a lawyer, we felt it was the WISE thing to do..
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It looks you did indeed do it to cover your butts. PPE is right, even if you chose to, it's a cost you had to incur because of obamacare. But if you didn't do it to cover your butt, then why did you do it?
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mandates that beginning in 2012 all companies will have to issue 1099 tax forms not just to contract workers but to any individual or corporation from which they buy more than $600 in goods or services in a tax year.
So, I'm going to have to 1099 the datacenter company that I buy my rack space from just so I can host this site?
Gee... thank you Obama
Exactly ! I have this problem too ! My LLC has a few vendors that are gonna need 1099s. This is going to be a pain in the butt.
How is this even relevant to Healthcare such that they put it in that bill ? *grumbles*
I do not like this healthcare bill except for one thing. I do not believe the Govt should have the power to force people to pay for health ins. That part needs to be removed from the bill.
I do agree with the provision in the healthcare bill stating that ins companies will no longer be able to deny coverage or jack rates for people with pre-existing conditions. My personal opinion of companies that do that, is that it is a form of discrimination and should be banned. That is mainly the only thing I would like to see in the healthcare bill.
And yes, I do have a pre-existing condition. It prevents me from ever leaving my day job and just focusing on my business, because I could never get insurance without paying thousands of dollars a month for it.
There are millions of people in this country who can't get health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. It could be something as simple as pregnancy or diabetes and you are denied.
If they honestly want to make ins available to more people, just prevent ins companies from denying people and the problem will be solved. Believe me, nobody has no insurance by choice, they have no ins because they can't get covered. There is no need to force people to sign up. People WANT health insurance. 
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arch, you have your facts all wrong,, go out, hire an attorney and get the facts
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Well honestly everyone that voted these idiots into office is at fault for this happening and the many upcoming laws that will infringe upon our constitutionally protected rights until the government has total control of everything in this country much like China and the former Soviet Union.
Simple solution to all of this is to just "NOT" vote. I have not voted and never will, if nobody votes then nobody can be elected into office. Your voice means nothing to the government weather you vote or not anyways so why even bother. If and when I know that my vote will actually make a difference and won't be enticed by political supporters at the ballot booths and/or tricked with the phrasing on the ballot, then and only then would I consider voting. I don't need someone to try to convince me of who or what i want to vote for.
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Actually, I don't. And I don't need to pay an attorney $15,000 to tell me that.
You WILL find out. And I don't expect you to ever come back and say "geez, I was wrong"..............but you will think that someday. Probably around 2014..
You don't need to like what I say. But trust me - you, as well as the rest of us, will live to hate this bill.
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Hell, the federal gov't. itself doesn't know exactly what's in this "health care reform" bill. And they admit it.
Insurance companies don't know what's in it. And that's their job!!!!
Trust me ... they know. They just don't want to tell you certain bits because it wouldn't sound so hot to the people.
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arch, you have your facts all wrong,, go out, hire an attorney and get the facts
Classic.
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Well honestly everyone that voted these idiots into office is at fault for this happening and the many upcoming laws that will infringe upon our constitutionally protected rights until the government has total control of everything in this country much like China and the former Soviet Union.
Simple solution to all of this is to just "NOT" vote. I have not voted and never will, if nobody votes then nobody can be elected into office. Your voice means nothing to the government weather you vote or not anyways so why even bother. If and when I know that my vote will actually make a difference and won't be enticed by political supporters at the ballot booths and/or tricked with the phrasing on the ballot, then and only then would I consider voting. I don't need someone to try to convince me of who or what i want to vote for.
If no one votes, then the same guys stay in office, now knowing they have no opposition and this country becomes thir slaves even more so.
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The answer to the problem is to run out and hire an attorney.
What? So it's wrong to hire an attorney now? 
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arch, you have your facts all wrong,, go out, hire an attorney and get the facts
Actually, I don't. And I don't need to pay an attorney $15,000 to tell me that.
You WILL find out. And I don't expect you to ever come back and say "geez, I was wrong"..............but you will think that someday. Probably around 2014..
You don't need to like what I say. But trust me - you, as well as the rest of us, will live to hate this bill.
Thank you, you've proven me correct by this post.. you don't care what arrangements I made,, you only care that I got it done and it doesn't confirm all the fear mongering..
You clearly Don't understand,,if you did, you would be checking out insurance companies.. finding out for yourself how to get it done..
Instead, you want to poke holes in my experience.
You, wilie and a few others are just ticked off because it's not working the way you want it to.
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Actually, I don't. And I don't need to pay an attorney $15,000 to tell me that.
You WILL find out. And I don't expect you to ever come back and say "geez, I was wrong"..............but you will think that someday. Probably around 2014..
You don't need to like what I say. But trust me - you, as well as the rest of us, will live to hate this bill.
Thank you, you've proven me correct by this post.. you don't care what arrangements I made,, you only care that I got it done and it doesn't confirm all the fear mongering..
You clearly Don't understand,,if you did, you would be checking out insurance companies.. finding out for yourself how to get it done..
Instead, you want to poke holes in my experience.
You, wilie and a few others are just ticked off because it's not working the way you want it to.
Talk to me in 2 years.
I'm not upset you are getting what you are getting. (although, by your own admission, you paid an extra $15,000 to an attorney which you didn't factor in to your health care costs - you list it as a business expense) And again, why you needed to hire an attorney in order to get health insurance - - - - - well, I'll never know. Why your personal attorney was needed is beyond me. If you can't trust your agent, who can you trust, right?
Again, talk to me in a couple of years. I'm glad it's working out for you now. Perhaps it will in the future as well. But, if you had to œay an attorney 15 grand this year, you will next year, and the year after as well.
One thing I'm still not clear on: Why did you have to pay an attorney in order to get health insurance? You think he saved you money? You think your 15 grand to your attorney "bested" Aetna's team of attorneys? Please.
It was a waste of money, in my opinion. But, being in the temporary employment business, and having 40 or 45 people covered as full time employees - and jacking that up to 60 or so for the insurance - well, you are a major player in the temporary employee field, so you can probably swing that no problem. Just another business expense to you.
Again, talk to me in a couple years.
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The hell your not... That's BS Arch..
You want Everything OBAMA related to fail.. and at least in this small tiny little piece of it, my experience shows that it isn't..
May it change in a couple of years,, hell yes it may.. But then, as bad at the Browns seem to be, they might be in a Superbowl in a couple of years. 
Anything is possible.. With politicians like we have in this country, nothing would surprise me anymore.... nothing..
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I'm just not feeling that right now.
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I'm just not feeling that right now.
Well, at least on that, we can agree... neither am I..
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Classic.
The answer to the problem is to run out and hire an attorney.
What? So it's wrong to hire an attorney now?
Yep...that was the point of my entire debate with you.
/sarcasm ... added that as I am sure you would miss THIS point as well.
It is wrong to drop $15k with an attorney to "understand" your healthcare takeover options and then try to brush off that money as a "cost of doing business"...as opposed to calling it what it is...an unintended employer cost due to a god-awful piece of legislation.
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you haven't a clue,, simple as that..
1st, it clearly isn't a takeover plan, or it wouldn't have worked out for me the way it did,,, that's more fear mongering from you.
2nd, there are a TON of things that occur in the course of the year that you need to spend money on.. that's just the cost of doing business..
3rd,,, it's pretty clear to me that your only gripe is that I did something that wasn't supposed to happen under the new laws.. that has to tick you off to no end..
I'm really sorry you aren't grasping the obvious..
As I told Arch,, who knows what the future will bring.. this could change a bunch or not at all,, it could continue to work out or it could fail.. I try to be forward thinking (just another reason to hire an attorney to investigate, but you can't see that I guess) But some times, you can't account for the actions of politicians or all the possible outcomes.
I do the best I can with the infomation and tools before me.. If I gotta change things around again in a few years, then that's what I'll do.
I'll adapt, I'll overcome, I'll survive.
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That's pretty sad considering the amount of time you spend here. 
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LOL Some days, to stay in business, you have to attack it just like if you were a Marine..
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I can't think of one,,, can you? 
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It is wrong to drop $15k with an attorney to "understand" your healthcare takeover options and then try to brush off that money as a "cost of doing business"...as opposed to calling it what it is...an unintended employer cost due to a god-awful piece of legislation.
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you haven't a clue,, simple as that..
Because I think the $15k you spent with an attorney to UNDERSTAND the healthcare takeover is just another cost of your healthcare takeover? I haven't a clue? Please.
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1st, it clearly isn't a takeover plan, or it wouldn't have worked out for me the way it did,,, that's more fear mongering from you.
I bet you wish you left out the part about the $15 k, huh? Fear mongering? If you lived in colonial times, you would have accused Paul Revere of fear mongering from his horse.
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2nd, there are a TON of things that occur in the course of the year that you need to spend money on.. that's just the cost of doing business..
No kidding? What is your point? What's next? That gasoline costs are not automotive expenses? Or that attorney fees to understand healthcare takeover are not healthcare costs? Talk about clueless.
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3rd,,, it's pretty clear to me that your only gripe is that I did something that wasn't supposed to happen under the new laws.. that has to tick you off to no end..
Not sure what you mean...here is what I think you mean. You say I am ticked off because you had to spend $15k with your attorney to understand how the healthcare takeover affects your business.
I guess you are right. I am VERY unhappy that you had to spend $15k to understand the new laws. What really ticks me off, is that you think the answer to the wasted $15k is for other businesses in a similar lot to run out and hire their own attorney so they too can "understand" the new law.
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I'm really sorry you aren't grasping the obvious..
You mean drinking the Kool Aide.
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As I told Arch,, who knows what the future will bring.. this could change a bunch or not at all,, it could continue to work out or it could fail.. I try to be forward thinking (just another reason to hire an attorney to investigate, but you can't see that I guess) But some times, you can't account for the actions of politicians or all the possible outcomes.
Uncertainty. Just more uncertainty from failed presidential inaction/action. Forward thinking? I have been trying to get you to think forward since before the election. This legislation is a piece of crap...look forward to what it brings.
Do you fight unwarranted workers' comp claims? Do you fight unwarranted unemployment claims? Why do you swallow the turd on unwarranted healthcare takeover? Can't get yourself to go against your man Obama, eh?
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I do the best I can with the infomation and tools before me.. If I gotta change things around again in a few years, then that's what I'll do.
I'll adapt, I'll overcome, I'll survive.
GO BROWNS! Let's roll! Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes!
Hey D...the British really did come. Good thing forward thinking Americans listened to Paul Revere.
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LIke I said, you don't have a clue
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LIke I said, you don't have a clue
Like I said:
It is wrong to drop $15k with an attorney to "understand" your healthcare takeover options and then try to brush off that money as a "cost of doing business"...as opposed to calling it what it is...an unintended employer cost due to a god-awful piece of legislation.
I've got more than the clue...I have the case solved.
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