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Wow, with the QB play we have seen since 1999 its funny how critical everyone is over EVERY Colt throw or DROPBACK....
Not sure why this was directed towards me...
I was trying to give a fair evaluation of McCoy and I think I did so.
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Can we ever learn? Please?
So what exactly is it about people having optimism for their team that makes you so unhappy ? Your biggest fears , disasters and Hobbits oh my.
Let the kid play and lets see what he has,
Do you really believe anything Colt could do would ever stop us from drafting someone Holmgren truly believed in as a franchise QB. I dont.
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I say this.. is McCoy better than Wallace? That is up for debate. Does McCoy give us a better chance to win than Wallace? That is up for debate.
Seeing so.. as soon as Wallace is healthy.. Start him. This season is a goner, and it's not gonna help McCoy IMO to go out there and get pounded these next few games. I'd rather get a few more winners on this team via the draft (hopefully a #1 WR like AJ Green), and watch how McCoy THEN sets fire. He can't do anything with this putrid offense.
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Thats the thing about this team. We are ready to insert a QB right now. Its no longer the way it was in years past. When blitzers came untouched right up the middle of the line.
We may not have anyone to throw to, but we do finally have the ability to keep a semi mobile QB upright.
Neither Delhomme or Wallace have any chance of being the future. None at all IMO, Colt at least has a small chance still.
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a) Wallace gives us a better chance to win and
Believe me I didn't want McCoy to play in 2010 except maybe in some mop-up, but I'm no longer sure Seneca gives us a better chance to win.
And you came to this idea after one mediocre performance?
No offense, as for all I know you could be on the money ... but this is what I like to call Ben Gay Syndrome ...
That all depends on what you would consider 'mediocre' is and what you are looking for in a rookie making his 1st start in this league.
mediocre? Why because we lost? Because he had some INT's, because he did not throw multiple TD's,
Not one of the above questions have any barring on grading Colts performance as 'A' QB, because they are not 'intangibles' or traits one looks for in a QB.
His performance is secondary to how he went about running the offense.
How he QB the team.
He showed pro traits and that was obvious to even our foe.
Can he show those same things the next time out?
To say one way or the other, would only be speculation.
Put me down as I think he can run this team if we had to go with him.
The team sounds like they believe in the youngster
Could and that's not just PR either.
Colt made some mental mistakes in the game, but those are things that fit into the correctable category.
There is still a learning proses.
Flacco is still making mistakes. It not like you go from rookie to seasoned vet over night folks.
Fortunately I have had opportunities to see many of the great QB's that have come threw this great league play as rookie's and to watch their maturation and I know as well as most what not to look for and also what to look for in a rookie QB.
Would I like my QB to be taller? I guess, but then I'll take Drew Brees over just about any, other than Payton Manning.
Does Drew Brees still have critics who say he is not tall enough?
Just a thought.
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If our OL can protect him then I have no problem with him being out there... with that said I havn't seen much play from our team so I don't know if they are protecting our QBs or not...
If Wallace is healthy I expect him to start... but if not then I say let McCoy stay out there.
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No ... because overall, he was mediocre. Not good, not bad.
At times he looked very poised ... other times he looked skittish.
He may very well end up the next Brees .... or the next Frye. That remains to be seen, and at the moment I have no idea.
But let's not inflate his performance ... it was light years ahead of what I expected ... but I expected disaster.
He was mediocre.
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Ive been reading everyone elses opinions.. been mulling things over.. I want no part of Del, he's toast..
Seneca is interesting to me.. I want to know exactly what is the extent of his injuries? If he's able to come back versus done for year makes a difference to me.
If Colt has progressed to the point he's a competent QB then I'm freaking pleased to scratch off QB on my draft shopping list.
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McCoy could start the rest of the season and win 75% of those games and there would STILL be some of you wanting to draft a QB next year! Django and Company's drum beating is just plain getting old to me...
Let the season play out, for crying out loud. The rest will resolve itself.
I don't see us winning much this year at this point, 4-12 would be a miracle.
BUT I'm also in the keep Mangini crowd and don't want to see us take another QB at this point. This team is making progress, and it will take time to get it right... Let it happen for once.
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McCoy could start the rest of the season and win 75% of those games and there would STILL be some of you wanting to draft a QB next year! Django and Company's drum beating is just plain getting old to me...
Let the season play out, for crying out loud. The rest will resolve itself.
I don't see us winning much this year at this point, 4-12 would be a miracle.
BUT I'm also in the keep Mangini crowd and don't want to see us take another QB at this point. This team is making progress, and it will take time to get it right... Let it happen for once.
Very beautifully said! I agree we need to let a regime run its course for once and I rest easier knowing Holmgren is a part of the decision making process now.
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Great post, Damanshot! I hope you don't mind my riding your post to make a couple of other points to the naysayers.
It's amazing that some of the posters say, "McCoy had a good game against the Steelers, but that was only one game." Then they go on to say that he should ride the bench when Wallace and/or Delhomme is healthy and ready to go. How do they expect to find out if that one game was the only good game in McCoy's history in the NFL or if he's got more and better ahead?
Some of them say that Wallace will give us the best chance to win? We have only won one game! How can anyone seriously say that Wallace or Delhomme really gives us a better chance? What are they going to do -- win another one or two?
However it goes, I don't believe Holmgren is going to -- or should --draft a qb in the first round next year.
Holmgren needs to know whether or not he needs to pursue another qb in next year's draft or spend those draft choices on other players in other positions.
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McCoy could start the rest of the season and win 75% of those games and there would STILL be some of you wanting to draft a QB next year! Django and Company's drum beating is just plain getting old to me...
Let the season play out, for crying out loud. The rest will resolve itself.
I don't see us winning much this year at this point, 4-12 would be a miracle.
BUT I'm also in the keep Mangini crowd and don't want to see us take another QB at this point. This team is making progress, and it will take time to get it right... Let it happen for once.
Very beautifully said! I agree we need to let a regime run its course for once and I rest easier knowing Holmgren is a part of the decision making process now.
I'm not resting any easier. I want results.
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You would gripe about the situation if they hung you with a new gold rope.
What qb did you want the Browns to select in the last draft? It obviously was not McCoy. Which of your college teams did he beat while he was at UT? I'm just trying to find out why you have such a diss on McCoy.
IF the Browns move to the wco next season as I am reading on boards, we have the best qb out of the last draft to help us run it. He is not, however, limited to the wco as he proved Sunday.
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I'm just trying to find out why you have such a diss on McCoy.
I have no problem with Colt McCoy. I hope he succeeds in this league.
It's not 'a diss', as you put it, to state a fact ... and the fact is, he played mediocre ... as in not good, not bad.
He didn't do anything to make me say 'whoa, this might be the guy' and he didn't do anything to make me say 'he's a bum'.
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It's not 'a diss', as you put it, to state a fact ... and the fact is, he played mediocre ... as in not good, not bad.
Playing mediocre in your first career game against the league's best defense is pretty good.
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I wouldn't have drafted McCoy to begin with...but if I would have inherited him I would develop him as my system backup QB...I would start Wallace or Delhomme if 100% healthy...if both aren't then McCoy
You didn't answer the question he asked.
I thought that wa already answered...but here goes:
- less backfoot throws
- more than 1 read and take off for most of the game, he stared at a REC for 2-3sec, than took off....he did that in most of his drop backs, I watched every replay for that
- and a scoring drive or 2 would have been helpful too
As it was, 150yds, 3 sacks, 1 INT, no scoring drives in 54min...that's in line of what I expected a rookie QB, who was deemed as the pro-readiest btw, to look like against the Steelers...it's not horrible but it's not anywhere near good or promising either for me. Again, "better than expected" doesn't equal "good" or "promising"...it just reveals that you had terrible expectations for his performance...I just look at the game he had...
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"mediocre" for a rookie QB, maybe, even though I think many rookies would have been able to put up his performance, Max Hall did and he's a UDFA...but for league standards it was a bad game...I know it's unfair to compare a 1st time starter to regular QBs but his performance was only "mediocre" already considering his "handicap" of being a rookie...no scoring drives are just bad, no matter who the opponent is
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I don't really blame Colt for taking off after about 3 secs.. I do blame him for tucking the ball and not looking for the open receiver. However, if someone comes from his blindside, it does prevent a possible fumble.
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I would be shocked if Colt didn't start next Sunday vs. New Orleans. I really think the plan, for now, is to get to the bye week and then evaluate where Delhomme and Wallace are. One thing I absolutely don't want to see (again) is Mangini trotting out a still-gimpy Delhomme or Wallace. We've seen that movie twice now and it ends the same way every time (badly). If they aren't able to run full-speed, step into their throws and move around comfortably in the pocket, I want them on the sideline. Period. Neither guy is talented enough to warrant playing them hurt.
Given the nature of high ankle sprains, I think (hope?) CM will get at least another start or two after the bye before Mangini will really even be able to consider playing Wallace (IMO it is quite possible Delhomme is done for the year). Then I expect it will be a week-to-week decision.
I'm OK with either guy so long as SW is truly good-to-go. IMO, we saw enough of SW when he was healthy to see what he's good at as well as some of the reasons why he's been a career backup. There is no reason whatsoever to send him out there if he isn't close to 100%. I don't believe you can argue that he is THAT much better than CM that, at 80%, he gives us a better chance to win.
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I say this.. is McCoy better than Wallace? That is up for debate. Does McCoy give us a better chance to win than Wallace? That is up for debate.
If Wallace isn't better than Colt, then Wallace is a chump and needs to be benched forever. He's had years of experience and won the #2 spot behind Delhomme. Not much to debate there, if we're talking about right now, not some hypothetical future. But that's not the point. Wallace is a career back-up. Period. Nothing more, never will be.
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Seeing so.. as soon as Wallace is healthy.. Start him. This season is a goner,
If the season is a goner, then to what end do we start him? To protect Colt? Wallace, if he has a high ankle sprain, is out for at least three more weeks. Maybe more before he's not hobbling around out there, and he's almost useless if he can't move around. Bringing Wallace back at the half way mark serves no purpose unless you're saying Colt needs protection from play. Bringing Delhomme back, serves no purpose at all.
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it's not gonna help McCoy IMO to go out there and get pounded these next few games.
We've got a good line, it's not like he's going to get killed like Couch did. What Colt needs most right now is experience, not clipboard time. It will help to go out there and get pounded a little, so he learns the reads, learns when to run and when to stay in the pocket under pressure, keep his eyes down field, and throw a strike.
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I'd rather get a few more winners on this team via the draft (hopefully a #1 WR like AJ Green), and watch how McCoy THEN sets fire. He can't do anything with this putrid offense.
We all want better WRs, but adding one guy isn't going to turn it all around. Colt delivered the ball to EVERYBODY. Noone else has done that all year. So we don't really know what kind of receiving corp we have. He's used the tight ends better, and gets the ball to the RBs. Maybe this putrid offense is putrid because of the previous QB play. Everyone is thrilled with Wallace because he's been adequate. But that's all he'll be, all he's ever been, because he is just a career back-up.
Colt deserves next week, and he'll get it by default. He'll also most likely play against New England. If he plays well, and shows improvement, he deserves to play out the season, and try to show that he can play in this league. Instead of blaming his tools, he'll most likely get them involved. We might finally see some catches, some yardage and some TD's from Robo & Mo-Mass.
I'm not saying he's the second coming, but at this point in the season, it's pointless to go with Wallace and Delhomme because they have nothing to offer that we haven't already seen. We went 1-4 with those guys, and three of those losses fall right at their feet. At least if McCoy loses, he'll be learning along the way, gaining experience and showing us his upside, if there is one.
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Nice try and that's BS...I gave a performance assessment....you disagree? Fine, then tell me what there was to like or dispute my claims if you honestly can..don't resort to the "Django is buh-buh" rhetoric homers grasp at when they run out of arguments, you're way better than that
I don't really agree with Django much, but he is right. Although he wasn't brady quinn terrible he wasn't all that great either. Folks make it seem like he played a great game. He had good pass protection and hit some balls, but not the kind of performance that makes me think he could beat Pitt.
He's a great guy and I really like him, I just don't think he's our guy long term.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Another reason Colt should at least have an extended audition: He earned the respect of the offensive line. Steinbach's comments indicated that to me because he's the vested veteran of the group.
That's a major win for Colt that the likes of Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn never had: The respect of the offensive line. If you remember, one of the big things DA had going for him was he had their respect.
Don't underestimate that. The offensive line is the hardest unit of any to win over because they love their vets.
Plus, Colt won over Mangini, which of course is extremely difficult. I don't think Mangini has ever said he was "really, really pleased" with a QB before.
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So .... the rookie QB ..... in his first start ....... without the offense's #1 receiver and its #1 overall weapon (Cribbs) .......against the best defense in the league ..... played "OK" ........
That's a big fat win to me.
I'm certainly not ready to annoint him with sainthod or make him into a diety ..... but he played a really good game, especially considering the circumstances.
Here are what the Steelers allowed, by week
Matt Ryan: 27-44 for 252 0 TD 1 INT
Vince Young: 7-10 for 66 0 TD 2 INT/Kerry Collins: 17-25 149 1 TD 1 INT
Josh Freeman 20-31 for 184 0 TD 1 INT/ Josh Johnson 6-6 67 yards 0 TD 0 INT
Joe Flacco: 24-37 for 256 1 TD 1 INT
They shut out the Bye Week completely
Then McCoy went 23-33 for 281 1 TD 2 INT.
2 of their previous games were close, and 2 were blowouts. (The Titans game saw the Titans score a TD and 2 Pt Conversion with less than a minute left to pull within 8)
I think, based on what we've seen against the Steelers defense, that McCoy did pretty well overall.
Again, I'm not ready to annoint him the chosen one ..... but I definitely want to see more. He showed a lot of poise and ability on the field under far less than ideal circumstances.
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I saw enough of CM in that game to give him another start. Plain and simple. And I would say that even if the other two guys were healthy.
The kid looked good...very good considering the circumstances.
What could he do after another week practicing with the 1's and playing against a team with a great defense NOT coming off a bye week?
I want to see more of CM right now...not later.
If he plays the Saints like he did the Steelers...you HAVE to keep going with him.
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Unless Colt really bombs next week, it will be a close call whether Wallace or McCoy gives us a better chance to win after the bye.
Wallace is NOT going to get any better, McCoy probably will. How much improvement potential he's got is probably the most important question we can answer this year. It will drastically affect our draft strategy.
IMO we just don't have time to wait for Colt to sit a year, then play a year to evaluate. We are going to spend a high #1 this year, Me I wanna trade down and address WR, DL, LB, and RB, plus a free agent or two.
If Colt shows an upside just a bit better than Wallace, then go with that, get another 3rd round QB and address other needs. One more good draft plus decent QB play and IMO we are in the hunt.
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So .... the rookie QB ..... in his first start ....... without the offense's #1 receiver and its #1 overall weapon (Cribbs) .......against the best defense in the league ..... played "OK" ........
That's a big fat win to me.
It was mayb eok for a rookie 1st time starter...but it still was a bad QB performance, sorry
...and just forget the 130yds and TD in the last 5min, those never happen if, like for the other QBs who played the Steelers and who's stats you posted (except for TB's), we were still in a competitive game against them
You think McCoy threw for 150yds in 55min and then all of a sudden "gets it" and dishes out 130yds in 10% of that time? Get real...the game was over and the Steelers just wanted to get the game ended and not get injured = they didn't play for real anymore
This is groundhog discussion day...last year I had the same discussion with you homers about Quinn's game and stats against SD...he put up all of his stats after getting us down 3 scores
Garbage time stats/performance really don't matter for evaluating a QB you wanna win with...you only win with QBs, who don't allow to get down 3 scores to begin with....
Here's what McCoy did when we were ahead or down only 4p (because, remember, our D held PIT to 7p in the 1st H): McCoy was 6/10 for 67yds, 1INT, 2 sacks and a 40 QB rating after the 1st H...and 23 of those 67yds were on a screen to Hillis (finally a screen!)....hardly any good...that's where he would have impressed me if he was able to manage at least a FG drive or 2...not down by 2-3 scores and PIT high fiving each other
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I wouldn't have drafted McCoy to begin with...but if I would have inherited him I would develop him as my system backup QB...I would start Wallace or Delhomme if 100% healthy...if both aren't then McCoy
You didn't answer the question he asked.
I thought that wa already answered...but here goes:
- less backfoot throws
- more than 1 read and take off for most of the game, he stared at a REC for 2-3sec, than took off....he did that in most of his drop backs, I watched every replay for that
- and a scoring drive or 2 would have been helpful too
As it was, 150yds, 3 sacks, 1 INT, no scoring drives in 54min...that's in line of what I expected a rookie QB, who was deemed as the pro-readiest btw, to look like against the Steelers...it's not horrible but it's not anywhere near good or promising either for me. Again, "better than expected" doesn't equal "good" or "promising"...it just reveals that you had terrible expectations for his performance...I just look at the game he had...
Dude, I said if you had to start McCoy. Seneca and JD are out, not an option. What would McCoy have to do in order for you say, "Hey, this kid's got something and I want to see more"? I restate the question because above you cite the things he did wrong. Those are rookie mistakes. Are you saying he can't make rookie mistakes in his first start against (probably) the best defense in football? Look, nobody here is anointing the guy as the QB-savior of our franchise. We want to see him in another start. That's it. Wanting to see your rookie start another game is not being a homer. Besides, we'll have the same QB situation as we did this past weekend, so we're gonna see him regardless of how anyone feels.
Also, are you calling McCoy the "NFL-Ready" QB of this past draft, or were you talking about Quinn? It sounded like you were talking about CM, in which case I would call you bat-poop crazy. 
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Also, are you calling McCoy the "NFL-Ready" QB of this past draft, or were you talking about Quinn? It sounded like you were talking about CM, in which case I would call you bat-poop crazy.
So who else was? He was a SR at Texas, pro style O, most successful QB etc...who else was readier out of the rookie QBs? Bradford was a shotgun QB...maybe Clausen (was he a JR?), but McCoy was deemed readier mentally than him anyway...so who?
Listen, if you're ok with "rookie mistakes" like 0 scoring drives than you pretty much gave him a free pass anyway..whatever I say that I'd like to see more (and I gave that answer already) you'd be riting off as expecting too much....I already said, 0 scoring drives doe not qualify as good...no matter the opponent, no matter your status....there's just no way anyway can spin this into acceptable or "intriguing" for me
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Oh man, and you thought people were piling on you before.
Pro-style O? Bat-poop crazy it is, Django. This is one of those times you trip yourself while trying to kick more dirt on a player. My day will go on regardless of who says what about McCoy, but you're entire argument is now reduced to nothing, and a total waste of time.
Clausen played in a Pro-Style O. McCoy played in a spread (or is it spread option, I can never remember). I don't think that's ever (before today) been confused with a Pro-Style O. Shotgun snap, running option offense. "Gimmick offense" I think it's also referred to. That's part of the reason he was supposed to sit for a year.
So a winning attitude and great college record = NFL ready? I'll save the 'Q' word, but by your definition, Tebow was the #1 NFL ready QB.
Clausen was touted as NFL-ready. I believe that title also went to Bradford since he showed smarts, arm, accuracy, and footwork.
You may be right when you say that the rest of us expected too little. You've been railing on that for the entirety of this thread. You keep railing on it, while simultaneously failing to consider that you expected too much. I think McCoy's performance fell somewhere in the middle.
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Listen, if you're ok with "rookie mistakes" like 0 scoring drives than you pretty much gave him a free pass anyway
I was almost sure we scored 10 points.. did I miss something.., Was Colt not in on plays that lead to both of those scores? Oh wait, they don't count cause you don't want them too.. sorry.. my bad.,.
Did Colt really throw 42 passes? funny, every report I see says he passed 33 times.. 23 for 33 to be exact.
heres some proof for ya:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24060
First game against a tough D and it sounds a lot like you were expecting a finished product.. Sorry man,, to me that's a bit unrealistic.
Ya ever hear of Chicken Little...
You are so negative on Mangini and now McCoy that you start to sound a dot like Chicken Little.... The sky is falling the sky is falling 
Anyway,, since there is apparently nothing either can do to please you, I just take what you say with a grain of salt when they come up as the subject matter.. Otherwise, I find your insights to be enlightening.... 
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I was almost sure we scored 10 points.. did I miss something.., Was Colt not in on plays that lead to both of those scores? Oh wait, they don't count cause you don't want them too.. sorry.. my bad.,.
We already clarified all of this...but here's for my slowest Dawg:
The FG was all Haden's INT return, McCoy did pretty much nothing passing there, except for a 9yd scramble on 3rd and 17 already being in FG distance anyway
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Did Colt really throw 42 passes? funny, every report I see says he passed 33 times.. 23 for 33 to be exact.
The Coache's called 42 passing plays, 33 times he got it off, 5 times sacked, 4 scrambles...math 101
As for McCoy, maybe I confused him with Clausen about this but I remember all scouting reports raving about his system's intelligence and being savvy beyond his age...since Bradford was a Shotgun-QB and Clausen the 2nd coming of Losman I thought that qualifies for being as pro-ready as any rookie-QB....looks very well that none of them really is, might be draft class specific. Still, he played at a big College (pressure, media awarteness etc) and won a ton of games..he's no Tarvaris Jackson
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So I'll take that as you saying you don't think your expectations were too high. What did he have to do in order for you to change your opinion of him (since you've already got him all figured out from one real game)? I'm not asking if you would rather start JD or Wallace, and I'm not asking you to nitpick everything you thought you saw during the game. I'm asking you what he should have done in his first real start going against the Steelers. Throw a stat-line out there. Should he make a perfect throw every time, even when on the run? I'm still trying to figure out what your cutoff is from a 'good' performance to what you thought McCoy did. Edit: Regarding the "Pass Attempts Stats - Django-style" thing going on. McCoy didn't see a WR open. So you're going to count that against the QB when our receivers don't get open? I struggle to see the genius of counting pass plays the way you do (and the way everyone else doesn't). Do you count play-action pass plays in with total runs by the RB?
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It doesn't matter how many times he dropped back to pass. Sorry man - you've been railing on this for the whole thread.
You want to count it against him if the rec's. are covered? You want to count it against him if the line doesn't protect him and he drops back and has a guy in his face almost immediately? I mean, come on.
NO ONE keeps stats like you do - NO ONE. Pass ATTEMPTS. It's pretty obvious what that stat means, is it not?
On a further note - I want to see Colt play more. He didn't win the game on Sunday - but he sure didn't lose it. He took off running a couple of times maybe just a little too soon. He's also a rookie - in his first game, against a strong defense. What did you expect?????
What we need to find out is: will he learn and improve? At this point, there's one way to find out. The plan at the beginning of the year was to sit him. And, that plan did not factor in having #1 and #2 qb's injured. Plans change.
I think Colt did fine for his first game. A first game against an admittedly stout defense.
Quit railing on the kid. If it was his third year - or even third start.....that MIGHT be one thing. 1 week of practice, and he did fine. He actually completed some passes for more than 2 yards. The team supports him - the comments from the players were unsolicited - take that for what it's worth. You hate him, and that is obvious, but instead of skewing the stats - why not just say you hate him and want him to fail? I'd respect you more for saying that, as opposed to making up statistics. There isn't a qb in this league that gets rated the way you are trying to rate colt.
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I WAS NEGLIGENT IN NOT PRAISING MCCOY. "Somewhat surprised that you did not mention Colt McCoy's solid performance against the Steelers, particularly because you noted that Gil Brandt recommended him to Mike Holmgren in one of your columns from the draft period. Although it was only one game, how do you think McCoy looked?''
--Matt, Secaucus, N.J.
Colt McCoy, I believe, was a revelation Sunday in Pittsburgh. I should have spent some words Monday praising him. What impressed me most was his poise on one of the toughest fields in the NFL, against one of the toughest defenses he'll ever face. To go 23 of 33 while being under constant attack is a tribute to all the preparation he's had for this moment over the years, particularly at Texas.
I watched a lot of this game, and what was impressive was how he never flinched in the face of the five sacks or the seven or eight other significant pressures. I wouldn't be surprised to see McCoy start not only against New Orleans this week at the Superdome, but also after the bye, when the Patriots and Jets, in succession, travel to Cleveland. Talk about a tough road to start a career. But yes, I'm high on what I saw in McCoy.
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Test1 Game Management - A
Test2 Accuracy - A
Test3 Anticipation - C+
Test4 Poise in Pocket - D
Test5 Mobility - B
Test6 Arm Strength - B
I could care less for how many yards he threw or TDs he threw... my eyes saw this. I saw a QB who could throw the ball with accuracy... I saw no false starts, late out of huddle, etc... He anticipated very well on all of his throws. The best one I thought was the 2nd interception. That was a beautiful ball and Watson should be ashamed. He threw it to the window it needed to be in and Watson gave little effort. At times he showed poise... at times he showed no poise. His mobility is very good... and lastly his arm looked very adequate.
First eye test passed with flying colors...C+ Now lets see more.
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Test1 Game Management - A
Test2 Accuracy - A
Test3 Anticipation - C+
Test4 Poise in Pocket - D
Test5 Mobility - B
Test6 Arm Strength - B
I could care less for how many yards he threw or TDs he threw... my eyes saw this. I saw a QB who could throw the ball with accuracy... I saw no false starts, late out of huddle, etc... He anticipated very well on all of his throws. The best one I thought was the 2nd interception. That was a beautiful ball and Watson should be ashamed. He threw it to the window it needed to be in and Watson gave little effort. At times he showed poise... at times he showed no poise. His mobility is very good... and lastly his arm looked very adequate.
First eye test passed with flying colors...C+ Now lets see more.
I concur - except for your final grade. I give him a B - for one simple reason: first start, 1 week of practice, against a tough team.
Now, should he get 5-8 more starts this year and doesn't improve from Sunday's performance - no, the grade goes down.
And you are 100% right - the one int. wasn't on him - unless he is expected to know prior to throwing the ball that the rec. isn't going to make an effort to catch it.
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I could care less for how many yards he threw or TDs he threw...
You should though because that's what QBs are supposed to produce....just look at his 1st H performance when we had multiple chances of taking the lead: 67yds in 10 attempts, 1 INT, 3 sacks...23yds of those off a screen...that's the game I watched thinking to myself: damn, with Wallace we might have chance to lead here with a chance of winning it behind the D's performance
As for your assessment...fair enough, though I'd give him a B in accuracy, it was ok, but far from perfect...also he gets a D- for going through his progressions, which is one of the most important things if he wants to succeed in the NFL
I really don't get all the hoopla around here....does none of you feel like groundhog day all over again?
We had the Golden Homeboy (Frye), the Golden Boy (Quinn) and now the Golden Hobbit...all were mid-level QB prospects...we wasted 2 years on each of the 1st 2....do we ever learn around here?
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We already clarified all of this...but here's for my slowest Dawg:
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The FG was all Haden's INT return, McCoy did pretty much nothing passing there, except for a 9yd scramble on 3rd and 17 already being in FG distance anyway
So the 9 yard scramble doesn't happen,, is it for sure that Dawson hits the field goal? No it isn't so to say it doesn't matter or to devalue it makes little to no sense unless your goal is to devalue the contribution of the player. In this case.. McCoy.
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The TD is irrelevant...garbage time and 3 scores down = meaningless
OK, so it's meaningless which in your eyes means it didn't happen? Again, you are devaluing a players contribution in order to make your point more relevant..,
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The Coache's called 42 passing plays, 33 times he got it off, 5 times sacked, 4 scrambles...math 101
again, twisted logic is used here to devalue a players contribution. Statistical reality is, he was 23 for 33 for 1 yard less than Ben Rothlesburger. He did that with Receivers like Stuckey. Robo, MoMass, Cribbs and his TE's.. The TE"s were solid, but let's not be silly here. Our receivers don't stack up to Pittsburghs receivers.
The old saying Figures don't lie but liars Figure (not calling you a liar so don't even think about going there) It's a saying that indicates that if you want to, you can take any set of numbers, twist them around to prove just about any point you want to prove.
Basically WORTHLESS Math on your part.
Here are the facts as they are Generally accepted by everyone in Football,, that would be those that actually make a living playing or coaching football.
QB Rating: 80.5
Completions: 23
Attempts: 33
Comp %: 67.7%
Yards: 281
Rushing: 22 yards on 4 attempts for a 5.5 yard Average
Sacked: 5 times
Fumbles: 0
But all of that aside, it was his first start, against a top 5 D, in thier house on the day they were emotionally charged up with the return of Big Ben.,
Colt remained poised, he didn't lose his cool, he had moments where he looked a little "deer in the headlightish" but against the Pittsburgh rush,, lots of QB's with tons of experience feel that.
All I can say is that you must have expected to see someone polished like a seasoned VET.. I can't remember a first start by any QB where that was the case.. I'm sure there are some, but how many of them faced the Steelers D that Colt did on Sunday.
It's a damn shame that this kid goes out there, does a decent job and some folks (like you for instance) come on here with trumped up stat lines in order to make him look less worthy..
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As for McCoy, maybe I confused him with Clausen about this but I remember all scouting reports raving about his system's intelligence and being savvy beyond his age...since Bradford was a Shotgun-QB and Clausen the 2nd coming of Losman I thought that qualifies for being as pro-ready as any rookie-QB....looks very well that none of them really is, might be draft class specific. Still, he played at a big College (pressure, media awarteness etc) and won a ton of games..he's no Tarvaris Jackson
OMG,, SO WHAT! So your saying that what he accomplished last sunday goes out the window because Scouting reports (of which you aren't sure you got them right) tell a different story?
That's insane and completely unimportant... meaningless.,. Just like YOUR MATH.
Look man, I have no idea if this kid is going to be the answer here.. But at least I don't have to twist numbers to prove a bogus point of view....
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Look man, I have no idea if this kid is going to be the answer here.. But at least I don't have to twist numbers to prove a bogus point of view....
Agree. None of us do. But django is ready to sell him (colt) short. Ready to ship him down the river.
That's stupid. And all because of his made up stats? Stupid.
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Insults,, way to work there bud....
1st off, tell me about it...as if I don't get any thrown my way, lol
Also, consider this my last reply to you for now, it's really useless to discuss any further...either you don't get what I'm saying or you totally misinterpret it which means you won't, can't or don't get...whatever, really I don't care...it's just wasted time. Might come across arrogant but at least I'm being honest about it, it's really I can do for you about it
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So the 9 yard scramble doesn't happen,, is it for sure that Dawson hits the field goal? No it isn't so to say it doesn't matter or to devalue it makes little to no sense unless your goal is to devalue the contribution of the player. In this case.. McCoy.
McCoy is a QB, right? He did nothing with his arm in this "drive"...also if all he did was increase Phil's probability of making the FG 2% better imho it's a backhanded compliment...not by me this time, lol
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OK, so it's meaningless which in your eyes means it didn't happen? Again, you are devaluing a players contribution in order to make your point more relevant..,
Which part of meaningless or irrelevant don't you get? Those terms do not mean it never happened, just that it's not really important for the outcome of the game, thus meaningless or irrelevant
Let's play a game: go look and make a stat line of McCoy's game dividing his play and stats into these 3 categories
1) 1 score game
2) 2 score game
3) 3 score game
Maybe then you'll get what game I saw...
Also, I'm tired of explaining for the 3rd time why I counted every drop back...go read it, if you're really interested...but I doubt you are and so am I discussing with you
and sorry for being an a$$, I really mean that
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My question is why people want to tfrow a Rookie QB under the bus already?
McCoy has only set records for wins and completion percentage in the NCAA. Because he is from texas, or becaus he isn't 6'4"+ with a lazer rocket arm.
Sorry kids, we had the hometown boys (frye, quinn) and had the protype cannon arm (DA) and it didn't work. Now we have a Over the hill QB, a carrer backup, and a rookie that has limited expierience playing with the first team offense. Yeah, that's a hard choice.
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