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http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/index.htmlELECTION RESULTS GOP poised for sweep Updated as returns become available throughout the night Republican John Kasich has defeated incumbent Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland as the GOP appears poised for a sweep of statewide offices. John Husted easily won in his contest for secretary of state, as did Josh Mandel in the treasurer's race. Dave Yost also kept the auditor's office in GOP hands. In the contest for attorney general, Mike DeWine had a 2 point lead over Democratic incumbent Richard Cordray with 95 percent of the precincts reporting. In central Ohio congressional races, Republican challenger Steve Stivers has defeated Democratic incumbent Mary Jo Kilroy in the 15th U.S. House District, where he will join GOP incumbent Pat Tiberi, who defeated Democratic challenger Paula Brooks. The Columbus library levy and Columbus charter change also passed.
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Saint, you're down in Columbus. Do you have any idea if the claims of Kasic losing millions of the teachers association is true?
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Reid retains his seat. 
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Reid pulled out the victory.
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Saint, you're down in Columbus. Do you have any idea if the claims of Kasic losing millions of the teachers association is true?
I don't know if thats true or not. Wish I could be more helpful. It's been difficult for me to believe claims by either side. It's been a pretty nasty campaign.
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Yep.
Looks like (Unbelievably) Jerry Brown is the new (recycled) Governor of California and Barbara Boxer will be re-elected.
Never mind my previous post. I'm a moron who typed numbers when still half asleep.
Well Boxer is losing 46-48 and Whitman caught up some, but that could mean a heavy Republican county just reported..
In the precinct I was working at, Boxer barely won in the electronic ballots. and it is a heavy Dem precinct. Brown was killing Whitman though.
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Well, Fox called it almost immediately for Boxer .... and they're usually pretty right on the money. I would love to be able to see someone go up to her and say "Goodbye ma'am ..... er ... I mean, Ms Former Senator" ....  Unfortunately, not this time it seems.
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After the Florida screw up they don't call races until they are absolutely sure.
On a different subject..
I did hear Britt Hume bring up a good point about people who identify them as Tea Party members. Yes their candidates cost them Nevada and Delaware but if they did start a third party the Republicans would have been slaughtered.
The fact that the Democrats retain the Senate does give the Republicans cover. They are going to have to worry about their jobs since they are still a majority.
The Republicans better watch out. The people that voted them in won't hesitate to throw them out in a heartbeat if they waiver like last time.
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Here's the thing about 2012 though ..... Feinstein- Democrat Carper - Democrat Nelson - Democrat Akaka - Democrat Cardin - Democrat Stabenow - Democrat Klobuchar - Democrat McCaskill - Democrat Tester - Democrat Nelson - Democrat Menendez - Democrat Bingaman - Democrat Conrad - Democrat Brown - Democrat Casey Jr. - Democrat Whitehouse - Democrat Webb - Democrat Cantwell - Democrat Kohl - Democrat Gillibrand - Democrat Leiberman - Independent Sanders - Independent Kyl - Republican Snowe - Republican Brown - Republican Wicker - Republican Ensign - Republican Corker - Republican Hutchinson - Republican Hatch - Republican Barasso - Republican 20 Democrats, 2 Independents, and 9 Republicans will be up for re-election. That means that the Democrats have to hold probably 20 of 22 seats just to hold the Senate. That's hard to do in any environment. If voters are still against the Obama agenda ..... Democrats could be in huge trouble in 2012. Right before the world ends in December 2012. Man .... A Republican pickup of 65 House seats is projected. Depending on hos the Senate breaks, it could be a 49-49 split with 2 independents. Even though both caucus with the Democrats .. that still puts the Republicans within striking distance. Man this was a serious pasting for Democrats today. I think that they lost 9 or 10 state legislatures .... and I don't know how many Governor seats. I do know that they lost important ones in Ohio, PA, and Florida as far as the 2012 Presidential campaign goes.
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Well, Fox called it almost immediately for Boxer .... and they're usually pretty right on the money.
I would love to be able to see someone go up to her and say "Goodbye ma'am ..... er ... I mean, Ms Former Senator" ....
Unfortunately, not this time it seems.
I'm not completely sold on the Boxer win yet.. In my precinct, Boxer barely won in the final count on Electronic Ballots on the final tally... And it is a high Democrat precinct... ~80-40 Brown over Whitman and ~80-40 for the Dem Congressional ballot against the Republican candidate(Which overall is neck and neck) Boxer was only leading 65-55.. Most likely in the end Boxer may be the winner, but it is still too close with only 24% of the vote in.. and then there is still the mail-in votes... which can change things.. In the primary race, one candidate was losing big and caught up with the mail-ins... ~50% of Cali's ballots are mail-in this time.. and they don't start counting those for a couple of days.
There is still hope for Carly.
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Wow ..... I just heard Jerry Brown's victory speech ..... and it sounded like he voted for the pot Initiative .......... and had his "personal use" stash handy to celebrate before his speech ... What a rambling mess.
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Wow ..... I just heard Jerry Brown's victory speech ..... and it sounded like he voted for the pot Initiative .......... and had his "personal use" stash handy to celebrate before his speech ...
Is it to late to give Cali back to Mexico?
What a rambling mess.
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Depending on hos the Senate breaks, it could be a 49-49 split with 2 independents. Even though both caucus with the Democrats .. that still puts the Republicans within striking distance.
The way Washington is being counted it is very likely the Democrats retain their seat. Colorado is another story. Some precincts came in late and they tend to lean Republican. Alaska is going Republican, they just do not know which one. Last I heard write in was winning.
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Wow ..... I just heard Jerry Brown's victory speech ..... and it sounded like he voted for the pot Initiative .......... and had his "personal use" stash handy to celebrate before his speech ...
What a rambling mess.
Jerry Brown has sounded like that a lot during the campaign..
but well, California's results have been a mixed bag for me.. Now, it rests on the congressional race which is neck and neck still. Loretta Sanchez needs to go down... Her and her 14 years of only passing one bill that named a post office..
But I'm listening to Boxer's "victory" speech now.. egads.. she is very annoying with her shoulder shrug laugh..
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No matter what happens, the Democrats will retain control of the Senate.
However, there is still Joe Leiberman ... who is a more conservative Democrat Independent ..... and the newly elected Joe Manchin who has all but sworn on his life to oppose things like the health care law ...... cap and trade ...... and other of the more liberal proposals that have gone through the Congress, so there may be some bills that go through with bi-partisan cooperation ... and maybe even a few more conservative bills that go to President Obama's desk. He would then be forced into either vetoing them or signing them. If he vetos bills that pass with some degree of bi-partisan cooperation, he'll be done in 2012.
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Good point. Joe Manchin is going to be up for election in 2012 as well.
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I'm not a big Reid fan, but who the heck could vote for Angle? She is one twisted woman! 
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I voted for Srickland for the fact that he stuck to his word as far as gun control goes. Kasich has a history of supporting gun control legislation. Most of the school levies failed around here. Maybe they'll look at enforcing the supreme court decision and come up with a resonable method for financing education vs. sticking it to the property owners.
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j/c From a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat: 1) Not surprised the GOP won as much as they did. Disappointed, but not surprised. 2) That being said, I'm not going to be like 'Peen after the 2008 election and say I'm going to leave the country, or that the States should secede or anything. 3) This election was more an indictment of the Democrats than it was an endorsement of the Republicans. For example, a dirty sock could have beat Ken Blackwell in 2006. Here, a stalk of celery could have beat Lee Fisher. 4) Just like the Democrats couldn't (in the eyes of the public) use the "well, we're just cleaning up Bush's mess, so don't blame us" approach, the GOP shouldn't be able to claim any gains that may be made in the next few years that can be attributable to the past few years. Pipe dream, I know. But no one (regardless of party) should be blamed for what they can't help or praised for what they didn't do. 5) In my political science classes in college, I remember hearing about a philosophy that people generally want a President from one party and a Congress from the other party. Kind of a forced bipartisanship. So, we kind of have that. 6) Trying to find a silver lining for the Democrats, this could actually help in 2012. You'll have Obama running against someone, and Obama will bring out some voters who may not have voted in the midterm elections. Also, if things improve, people won't mind the status quo. Yeah, you might not win back the House, but you might keep the Senate and the White House. 7) The sad thing in cases like 2010 is that good people lose just because of their party affiliation. I think Richard Cordray would have been a very good Attorney General. I mean, a Democrat getting endorsed by every single law enforcement agency is not a common occurrence. But, since he's got a D next to his name, he loses to, of all people, Mike Dewine? I mean, Mike Dewine? But, in 2006 and 2008, I'm sure there were Republicans out there who didn't deserve to lose their job, but did just because of an R next to their name. 8) So, no use crying over spilled milk. Can the new GOP help this country move forward? Will they, should they run into resistance or failure, blame the Democrats instead of looking inward? It'll be interesting, to say the least. In the end, I just want this country to get back to its no. 1 status in the world. I just happen to be a Democrat. And, I need to practice what I preach. Just because you don't like a person doesn't mean they're wrong. I'm willing to give the new GOP a shot. But that doesn't mean I have to like it. And, FWIW, it'll be a pretty short leash. I'm sure you Republicans can understand about that since 2008. Most importantly, though, no more phone calls or mailers. 
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Also, I will say that I'm glad Pelosi is gone as Speaker. I can't stand Boehner, but I think Pelosi did a lot more harm to the Democrats than she did good.
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3) This election was more an indictment of the Democrats than it was an endorsement of the Republicans. For example, a dirty sock could have beat Ken Blackwell in 2006. Here, a stalk of celery could have beat Lee Fisher.
How many Democrats beat sitting Republicans last night? Incumbent mania seemed to hit a lot of Democrats, but missed most of the sitting Republicans.
This is a center right country. I think that there are a lot of people who listen to people like Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity, and Glenn Beck ...... and who give them huge numbers because their messages resonate with them. However, until the Healthcare law passed, the federal budget exploded, and stuff like Cap and Trade started rumbling around the halls of Congress for real, the warnings of people like Limbaugh and others seemed like little more than Boogeyman stories. However. once these things started to become reality, people started to become really concerned, and people rose up. They rose up against Republicans in the primaries that they didn't see as conservative enough, and they rose up against Democrats.
Now, Democrats did manage to hold on to some key seats ... mostly because of Republican bunders along the way ...... but in some cases it was just a far, far superior ground game and/or being in a district or state with enough key Democrat constituencies to to push those candidates over the top. A 10 point victory for someone as liberal as Barbara Boxer was the exception of the evening, rather than the rule.
When you really drill down into the events of last night, it gets even worse for Democrats. Look at State House and Senate races. Look at Governorships. The Democrats lost a net of something like 10 State Legislatures last night. They lost a bunch of Governor races. They lost key states like Ohio, Florida, PA, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Florida. This was a complete repudiation of the Democrats almost across the board.
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Given the breakdown of the seats open in the Senate in 2012, I wouldn't hold my breath. Republicans will defend 9 Senate seats in 2012. Democrats (and the 2 Independents) defend 22.
Also, having so many Governor Houses change over makes it even harder for the Obama campaign in 2012. Key states will definitely not have friendly Governors out actively campaigning for him.
There was a lot of Democrat blood all over the place last night. I would be very fearful that it will be even worse in 2012 if I were a Democrat. If the Republicans are smart, they will keep churning out bills in the House that do exactly what the people said they want them to do. They will churn out bills that cut spending, cut taxes, eliminate beauracracy, shrink government, and so on and send bill after bill to the Senate. Some of them will pass ..... but many will be blocked in committee by Democrats .... and never see a floor vote.
Yeah ..... 2012 could be even uglier (If you can believe that) for Democrats if they aren't careful.
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The heck with schools .... now they're killing us with libraries. Mahoning County voters just passed a 5 year/1.8 mill levy for the library system. The Library system is 16 Libraries, and this will raise over $7 million per year for the system. Excuse me if I don't see this as excessive in the middle of a recession.
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I (surprise) like Boehner, and especially like the fact that we have a Speaker from Ohio. 
Pelosi, if you look at the job she did, was extremely effective. She shepherded piece after piece of the Obama agenda through the House, to the floor, and got much passed. (even over the objections of more moderate Democrats)
If I were a hardcore Democrat, I would have loved Pelosi.
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CNN has as of 3 minutes ago with 25% of the vote counted, Strickland has a 49-47 lead.
I'd finally had enough last night and hit the sack,, looked like Strickland was going to take it, Ha, Not so fast LOL
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I think the hand writing was on the wall for the past year on this turn around by Republicans.. Can't say I'm disappointed.
The thing is, Had the Dems been responsible,, had they handled things differently, I doubt we see this level of change..
But typical of the party with the power,, they forget what thier jobs really are and for that, they get booted from office..
One thing that bugged me that I heard last night.. Tom Ganley spent 2.5 million of his OWN money to get elected..
Now why in the hell would anyone,, even a guy that's loaded with dough, spend 2.5 million to win a job that maybe pays 140K a year?
Can someone explain that to me?
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For the most part the voting in this election was a message to one man. We'll see if he is too arrogant to hear that message....
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Bah! Voting sucks! NONE of my candidates won... Perhaps that's because I chose to go 3rd party for the most part. Seriously, I knew that my votes were not going to a winning candidate. I was voting my displeasure at the current system and candidates.
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Now why in the hell would anyone,, even a guy that's loaded with dough, spend 2.5 million to win a job that maybe pays 140K a year?
Can someone explain that to me?
i can think of two reasons although I'm sure there are more.
1 He is fed up with the crap in Washington and he decided to do something about it.
2 He is power hungry.
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Now why in the hell would anyone,, even a guy that's loaded with dough, spend 2.5 million to win a job that maybe pays 140K a year?
Can someone explain that to me?
i can think of two reasons although I'm sure there are more.
1 He is fed up with the crap in Washington and he decided to do something about it.
2 He is power hungry.
Yeah, I guess thats as good an explaination as there is.
I can't fathom that however....
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I don't think I was very clear. I wasn't saying he is both. Those to reasons should have had an or between them.
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Well wasn't it Lanci who was doing the same for County Commish (spending a lot of his own money) but if elected said he would do the job for $1/ year. I think it was Lanci....Heck it might have been Ganley(I really don't think it was) I do know it was a successful businessman....
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I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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I do agree with you.
Republicans need to move right and move to a new level of fiscal responsibility. We need to get this $13 trillion debt (Probably double that in reality) eliminated.
As an aside, Our old friend, Republican Chris Dudley (Former Cavalier) is leading in the Oregon Governor race with 84% of that vote counted.
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I don't like Pelosi because she was a rallying point for the GOP. It's easy to rail against a lady like that. That's why I think she hurt the Democrats more than she helped them.
Dennis Hastert did a good job for the Republicans when he was speaker, but how do you get angry against a guy like that? Hence, he wasn't a rallying point and didn't really hurt the GOP.
As to your other points, I guess I just disagree. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's going to be easy for the Democrats. They may lose every single election they're in. I'm just saying that sometimes having losses at times like this can help a little. We'll see, I guess.
As an aside, I will say that I think this election is very telling of the American people. I don't think it's necessarily saying that the American people love the GOP or hate the Democrats (just like in 2008, it didn't mean the American people loved the Democrats and hated the GOP).
I think this election just shows that the American people are fed up with government in general. Also, it shows that the American people demand instant gratification. "What, you haven't fixed every single problem in 2 years? You're gone!"
And, that's a problem. Things with government are long term. Now, maybe you vote against a guy because you don't like his long term plan. I get that. But to be so upset because change didn't happen as fast as you wanted? That's just kind of silly, IMO.
A lot of people who voted for Obama in 2008 got swept up in the "celebrity" of it all. Then, after a year or two, they either realized they didn't really agree with him, or that the change wasn't going to come as fast as they wanted, or there was just something newer and shinier that they could like.
And it'll be that way in 2012, too. Either Obama will be the "celebrity" again and win, or there will be something newer that everyone loves, then hates again in a couple years.
That's the most frustrating thing to come out of this election, at least for me.
"I want all these benefits, I want them now, and I don't want to pay for them."
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From everything I have heard the results were mainly a vote against Obama. He took some unpopular stances (some might say he was brave) and had Reid and Pelosi do his dirty work. Almost everyone that backed him lost, including some very well liked incumbents.
Every major Republican I have seen have no doubt that this isn't a vote for Republicans. I will say that if the Republicans go back on their word again I have a feeling the party will split in two.
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Eh, I guess I just don't buy that.
Obama hasn't done anything in his 2 years that he didn't say he was going to do (on substantive policies). No one should be surprised in the least that he blew up government spending. Not one bit.
For people to now say they're voting against that is silly. Vote against a guy for doing what he said he's going to do.
Which leads me back to the fact that a lot of people voted for Obama not because of his policies but because of the celebrity of it. And because he wasn't George Bush.
So, once again, that comes back, at least for me, on the voters. I voted for you, but now that you're doing what you said you would, I'm voting against you.
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