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...and now take away those 3 D-TDs Colt got handed
Then take away every teams D-TDs. This kind of arguement kills me. IMO it is total BS.. Do you take away all of Pittsburgh's D-TD when evaluating Ben?
I get your point, but I despise when people try to take away real things, and add fake things, like pick sixes that don't happen, just to fit their arguement.
Hey while you are at it, why don't you take away Hillis's yardage and TDs? Same thing. 
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I get that and I dont do that when discussing RB AVGs or QBs AVGs and stuff like that...but comapring McCoy and Wallace points per start is something else, since you COMPARE 2 entities, not one and the same...you need to level the playing field to what they control to make it a fair comparison...or do you think that Brees doesnt throw those 2 pick 6s to Bowens, if Wallace starts? That was Mccoy's worst performance, he had absolutely nothing to do with it...now if we talk about comparing bigger sampe sizes, like Ben vs Favre or something like this, then it won't be much of a difference since the influence of D-TDs gap will be insignificant to their AVG but comparing 2 QBs with a handful of starts...1 has 3 D-TDs, the other didn't get any...it's simply unfair...and it deviates the stats significantly and where the hell do I "add" pick 6s that didnt happen? 
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I see where you're coming from here. Obviously, Bowens' 14 points were a huge impact in that game.
McCoy played well in that game. His second pro start of his career. While he has a couple parts of his game that need polish (long ball), his overall game was good.
The pick6 thing was about Wallace, in his few starts, seemed to be falling into the same pick6/game trend as Jake.
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..and I can't believe you can still post BS like this, without having proved it although asked to do so by me time and time again...
YOU SAID: if you take away the TD's scored by the D it's different
WOW,, I would have never figured that out without your expert advice..
Here's the thing,, If a team wins a SUPERBOWL and the D had a good game by scoring a couple of TD's,, and the O was merely Pedestrian.. do they have to to give back the Lombardi trophy.. NO THEY DON"T..
I've answered you EVERY SINGLE TIME I'VE SEEN YOU ASK. And each time, it's the same thing.. YOU DON'T LIKE MY ANSWERS, SO THEY REALLY AREN'T ANSWERS..
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lets be fair here for a moment
colt McCoy went 9/16 for 74 yards in the Saints game...its was Colt's worst game of his short career....colt didn't play well in that game he played like garbage(I say that being McCoy's biggest fan)
The only thing Colt did was do a "poor mans impression of the 200 Ravens Trent Dilfer" and that was not screw up the game....those were Brady Quinn type numbers.
the ONLY reason we won the Saints game was because of Hodges insane Punt fake and Bowens 2 pick 6's....thats it...we didn't win because of McCoy
all Mccoy did was not screw up in that game.
outside the Saints Game Colt has played well and i think he is our QB...folks ragging on his deep ball is without merit....the receivers don't have the timing down....many of Colts deep passes should have been caught...in time...the timing will come.
Im just being fair here...colt sucked against the Saints plain and simple...he learned from it though so its a moot...
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and where the hell do I "add" pick 6s that didnt happen?
This comment wasn't directed specifically towards you. Many use the "what if" scenario when Jake is playing, and many said Colt should have had a couple. My point is that if they are not caught, they are not INTs.
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Most of Colt's deep ball are so behind the WR that the WR has to stop and start playing DB so the DB doesn't intercept it, or the ball flutters out of bands. His deep ball critics (including me) have every right to be critical. The deep ball is a part of the game as it spreads the defense out and keeps them honest. An offense can't rely solely on short stuff or solely on the long ball. It has to be a mix of short, middle, and long completions. So far Colt has the short and middle passes down its too bad the hardest one is long ball because either you have an arm or you don't. Can anyone think of someone who developed a long ball who didn't have it before?
Honestly I would love for Colt to be the franchise. The only way I can see that happening is if we go straight WCO and draft some better WRs.
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There were 2 deep balls thrown behind the receivers on Sunday which were put there because the receiver was covered over the top, throwing them short gave the receiver a chance to make a play on the ball. The receivers, however, failed to make that play. One of them bounced off of our receivers shoulder and one it looked like got lost in the sun. I saw one deep ball thrown that just was poorly thrown. I don't remember a 4th deep ball being attempted. I would say 2 out of 3 isn't too bad.
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Daman:
lets be fair here for a moment
colt McCoy went 9/16 for 74 yards in the Saints game...its was Colt's worst game of his short career....colt didn't play well in that game he played like garbage(I say that being McCoy's biggest fan)
I don't call that garbage, but I get your point. Look, our Running game was kinda working with Hillis having 70 yards, the D was playing amazingly,, no need to throw. We were getting it done without going for it with Passing. I mean, if you need any proof,, 16 attempts is all he had.
My insignificant point of the night is,, he didn't have to throw so why do it.
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YOU SAID: if you take away the TD's scored by the D it's different
WOW,, I would have never figured that out without your expert advice..
Virtually EVERY NFL GAME is decided by one or two KEY plays during its course...
It's sheer STUPIDITY to talk about "Take Away that One Play"...And the outcome is different...Anyone who says anything remotely close to that just lacks a "Sanity Clue"...
U could go thru virtually every teams schedule and say "If this One play doesn't happen we win"...And conversely "If this One play didn't happen we LOSE"...That's the nature of the NFL and always has been...Always will be for the predominant amount of anyones schedule...
U always hear coaches saying that one or two plays changed the outcome of said game...
And U KNOW who all that's directed toward...
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YOU SAID: if you take away the TD's scored by the D it's different
WOW,, I would have never figured that out without your expert advice..
Virtually EVERY NFL GAME is decided by one or two KEY plays during its course...
It's sheer STUPIDITY to talk about "Take Away that One Play"...And the outcome is different...Anyone who says anything remotely close to that just lacks a "Sanity Clue"...
U could go thru virtually every teams schedule and say "If this One play doesn't happen we win"...And conversely "If this One play didn't happen we LOSE"...That's the nature of the NFL and always has been...Always will be for the predominant amount of anyones schedule...
U always here coaches saying that one or two plays changed the outcome of said game...
And U KNOW who all that's directed toward...
And that's why I have said that we just need a couple of key players at impact positions.
An impact WR, DE, and LB and this team is a 10 win team.
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YOU SAID: if you take away the TD's scored by the D it's different
WOW,, I would have never figured that out without your expert advice..
Virtually EVERY NFL GAME is decided by one or two KEY plays during its course...
It's sheer STUPIDITY to talk about "Take Away that One Play"...And the outcome is different...Anyone who says anything remotely close to that just lacks a "Sanity Clue"...
U could go thru virtually every teams schedule and say "If this One play doesn't happen we win"...And conversely "If this One play didn't happen we LOSE"...That's the nature of the NFL and always has been...Always will be for the predominant amount of anyones schedule...
U always hear coaches saying that one or two plays changed the outcome of said game...
And U KNOW who all that's directed toward...
I know,, 
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...and now take away those 3 D-TDs Colt got handed (2x NO, 1 vs JAX) and look at the numbers again....
I don't like to manipulate stats like that because it starts to make things really messy.... If I take away the 3 defensive tds scored while McCoy was starting.. then how do I account for the pick 6 Wallace gave up against the Chiefs... or the one against the Falcons? Then I would have to figure out a way to account for the possessions where we got the ball via turnover and didn't even get a first down but kicked a FG.. who gets credit for those points? See what I'm saying, when you start to factor in all of that, I guess it sort of looks like things are NOT all that even again...
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...and now take away those 3 D-TDs Colt got handed (2x NO, 1 vs JAX) and look at the numbers again....it's a wash between him and Wallace and since he's a rookie it's "ok" you develop him...but I still think Wallace was the best shot to WIN NOW....I would have no problem if little stuff like this, bad clock management (cost potentially 3p in a 2p game) and mobbing away important depth (Harrison) ends up costing Mangini his job because he lost himself 1-2 games because of it...in fact, it would be funny...and so fitting with his outsmarting antics
That said, with all 3 of our QBs we'd have bottom 3rd production
See Django,, You do that all the time.. Take away this, add this in and things are different..
don't tell me that I don't answer you...,
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That's why it is referred to as a TEAM game. All parts must do something to help the TEAM win.  If one part fails, the other must pick up the slack or seriously increase the chance of losing.
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My favorite is always the .. sure he had 20 rushes for 140 yards but if you take out the 22 yard run and the 18 yard run and the two 15 yard runs.. his averages weren't nearly as good..... 
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My favorite is always the .. sure he had 20 rushes for 140 yards but if you take out the 22 yard run and the 18 yard run and the two 15 yard runs.. his averages weren't nearly as good.....
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My favorite is always the .. sure he had 20 rushes for 140 yards but if you take out the 22 yard run and the 18 yard run and the two 15 yard runs.. his averages weren't nearly as good.....
No kidding.
Barry Sanders made a career of padding his stats with one or two long runs a game coupled with nine-teen two yarders.
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Most running backs do... show me a guy who rushed for 150 and I guarantee you there are at least two 20+ yarders in there.. nobody rushes for 150 yards 4.5 yards at a time.. 
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Cedric Benson was close this past game ... I remember one 18-yard run, a whole bunch of 4-6 yarders, with a couple 1-2 yard stops. But your point is taken, thats not usually how it goes.
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Damon, this is a general reply to anyone of whom the shoe fits so isn't meant only for you but you are certainly included in my observation. Quote:
...and now take away those 3 D-TDs Colt got handed (2x NO, 1 vs JAX) and look at the numbers again....it's a wash between him and Wallace and since he's a rookie it's "ok" you develop him...but I still think Wallace was the best shot to WIN NOW....I would have no problem if little stuff like this, bad clock management (cost potentially 3p in a 2p game) and mobbing away important depth (Harrison) ends up costing Mangini his job because he lost himself 1-2 games because of it...in fact, it would be funny...and so fitting with his outsmarting antics
That said, with all 3 of our QBs we'd have bottom 3rd production
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See Django,, You do that all the time.. Take away this, add this in and things are different..
I think a point that some of you are missing in your glee to try and make Django look stupid is that he was directly comparing Colt and Wallace and their respective offensive production. You can hardly give Colt credit for defensive TD's and use that as evidence that with Colt starting we score a lot more points than with, say, Wallace.
All he was saying, and most of you would have seen it had you actually read what he said instead of dismissing it because you don't like his posting style is that at the time that post was written it was a wash between Colt and Wallace if you take away defensive scores from the total scoring. If you're comparing QB's or even offensive production under specific QB's, neither should get credit for defensive or special teams scores as that's not a very accurate picture of a QB or the offense.
Surely you all can see that point? That's why there's a specific stat regarding defensive scoring.
If some of you would actually listen to what is being said there is one hell of a lot of good football sense in his posts. Not all of it is perfectly accurate but anyone can learn some football from reading them and at the very least come away with a ton of food for thought.
But if the first thing you see is the name of the poster and you already have your mind made up that you don't like the internet personality or the posting style and choose to dismiss anything said, even solid, accurate football knowledge and then attempt to make to make fun of and ridicule something that you don't even understand or care to take a strong look at then it is you who are made to look the fool rather than your target.
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