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Good post,...I think Holmgren can "afford" it -- my concern is whether or not Mike is patient enough to continue working with a coach whose general offensive philosophy he's not used to.
Or, has Holmgren given up on that in order to just be a GM, and we (here) have overrated that angle,...
Or did The Big Boys strike some kind of pre-season deal -- "You get this year your way,...or it's the highway."
With only 5 wins,...again,...I don't really care. There has been marked, obvious improvement, and I trust Holmgren.
His call.
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Good post,...I think Holmgren can "afford" it -- my concern is whether or not Mike is patient enough to continue working with a coach whose general offensive philosophy he's not used to.
Or, has Holmgren given up on that in order to just be a GM, and we (here) have overrated that angle,...
Or did The Big Boys strike some kind of pre-season deal -- "You get this year your way,...or it's the highway."
With only 5 wins,...again,...I don't really care. There has been marked, obvious improvement, and I trust Holmgren.
His call.
I've seen improvement as well. Not as much as I wanted but in the words of Romeo, "It is what it is.". I'm thinking Mangini will stay for another year and many sports writers will go up in spontaneous human combustion. There just hasn't been a breakdown of the team like one sees when a coach is fired. The problem with the Browns now is a lack of talent and experience to overcome some of the hard knocks that are inevitable during a football season.
I firmly believe Daboll will get the axe.
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This team IS better than last years team......FAR Better.........and anyone who cannot see that.....doesn't know a golf ball from a football.
I see....this is now becoming the last straw apologetics argument, even though it's pretty easy to dismiss and I've been doing it for months now:
Last year we were 31st on D and 32nd on O....we were the worst team in the NFL, he took over a bad Romeo team, had 4 Top 55 picks in the draft and managed to make us even worse....OF COURSE WE'RE BETTER THAN LAST YEAR...it was pretty much impossible NOT to improve from the fail job of 09....the question after 2 years is: is his team better than the AVG Romeo squad? No, it's not...statistically AND from a consistency standpoint....he dragged us down to the bottom of the league and now has us back to Romeo level...and you guys cheerlead the guy for 2 wasted years? Have fun....we still can't stop the run, Fujita is a stop gap and will be 32yo by next September...if you're run game lives and dies with him you HAVE A BIG PROBLEM and have not improved anything...the front 7 is almost exclusively filled with Mangini guys...in fact the best players aren't even his guys (Rubin, Fujita, Rogers)....it's HIS front 7 and it's NOT BETTER than Romeo's....we still have no pass rush, we got even worse passing the ball....where is this team better than the AVG Romeo squad? Similar stats and they even have the same record after 2 seasons, lol...
I could care less to compare Mangini to Mangini....he succeeded a bad HC in Romeo and he has to be significantly better than him to be considered a keeper...and bottom line is he's the same lousy HC, just with a completely different "style" that obviously has brainwashed enough homers because, like a false Guru, he preaches the "promised land"....Romeo, as bad as he was, at least was halfway honest and loyal (remember when he went to war for Savage, who later did him in?)....Mangini otoh is constantly avoiding reality, talking about "process", whenever confronted with criticism but then talks about having "proud coaching moments" when 1 of his players does something good, alwas trying to link th good storis to himself...and distancing himself from the bad stuff....after all it's "process" and he can't do anything about it...and loyalty? Pff, Spygate and Kokinis is all I have to say...he's a much better PR guy than Romeo but not a better coach
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Fujita is far better than merely "stop gap", and 32 is plenty young still.... Ray Lewis will be 36.
Yes, we tore down last year. We shipped out the rotten fruit.
Yes, he did a craptastic job drafting players.... big deal. If those draft picks were indeed his work, well, that's what I expect when coach does a GM's job. He never should have been in position to do that... and he no longer is.
He's done a helluva job coaching these kids and building a team and culture... and those are things that this franchise has been without since we've been back. Another infusion of talent and another year in the system and we WILL see that leap forward in the W-L record.
Does Mangini need to improve in areas? Absolutely. Clock management at the end of the first half is a prime example. Aside from that and a new OC, though, I'd say he's done pretty damn well.
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Of course with better talent we will win more...but that doesn't make him a better HC...just ask MIA fans...Sparano is the same coach Mangini is...alwas playing up or down to the competition, alwwas hoovering around 7-10 Ws with above AVG talent...and that's as good as it gets with this style...you'll barely make the PO every other year but won't get far with this Also, as I said in the excuses thread...what is left of Mangini the HC if you impose an OC on him that runs his own (or MH's) Offense? What would be the difference between him and Ryan? A DC masked as HC? Great  You don't trust his player evaluation skils? You dont trust his Offense philosophy? You don't even trust him on 101 gameday coaching like clock management?...why the heck do you still want the guy around? Tell me...That is plenty enough to fire a HC for incompetence...and I haven't even tossed in the very questionable gameday play-calling (not to lose style) and getting outcoached constantly after the half...all that combined makes a horrible HC in my opinion Please give me some HC specific things this guy is clearly GOOD at...
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The question Holmgren has to answer is whether the Browns can afford to find out if he can take that next step. Have they seen enough in the way he does things (all those things that we don't see) to believe he can acomplish that next step. I mean the foundation has been built. Core players are here. Now we need to start adding those playmakers.....And based on last years draft....We have the guys to bring those people in. So the question Holmgren has to answer is "Can he afford to find out if Mangini can take the next step?"
Exactly...We DO have the guys that will get those "Playmakers" now...
And even if Mangini is axed...WE STILL HAVE THOSE GUYS...
This is pretty simple...
1) Holmgren comes down and brings Haskell with em'...
2) Gruden comes in and a new OC is brought over...Haskell???
3) Mangini STAYS and a new OC is brought over...Haskell???
That's about the jist of this entire thing and we don't miss a beat in any of the 3 scenarios...
Holmgren WILL NOT make this a tear down...
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I think a lot of this boils down to the question of:
"Is Holmgren Comfortable with Eric Mangini?" thats the question...wins and losses aside.
Face it, Holmgren wasn't here long enough last year to see exactly how Mangini goes about running the team, how he prepares, etc..a lot of stuff behind the scenes we don't see.
I think Holmgren wanted a chance to see if he could be comfortable with Eric. The look on his face in the press suite says he isn't.
I think its pretty much 80-20 that he is gone at years end...I don't think Holmgren is comfortable with Mangini approach...Mangini way of doing it is foreign to Holmgren...Holmgren is going to do what he knows.
Either Holmgren takes over as HC, or he hires one of his proteges Gruden, Mooch, etc to be his HC..1 of the 2...
I like Mangini and I will be pleasantly suprised if he survives, but as a betting man im not betting on it...its not fair to can Eric, but life isn't always fair..odds are Mangini is done at years end...
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ok here goes.
1. he has a roster that is well below the salary cap and in position to acquire big name FAs if necessary.In fact the team looks to be in decent shape going into a year of uncertainty.
2. there is more depth on the roster than any time in my memory. When half the OL went down the OL did not collapse entirely. All 3 QBs were injured at one point. The team did not fold. A significant amount of starters have been injured for most or all of the season and in spite of this the team has not been totally outclassed in any game during a brutal schedule.
3. we still have 7 draft picks going into next year, right? There were no crazy trades to get a player needed as a stop-gap.
4. Mangini built the Jets into what they are now and although he may not be the coach that has led or will be the coach to lead us to the playoffs, you gotta admit Mangini can build a roster from the bottom up.Rex Ryan is reaping the reward of the foundation that Mangini built.
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1. he has a roster that is well below the salary cap and in position to acquire big name FAs if necessary.In fact the team looks to be in decent shape going into a year of uncertainty.
What salary cap would that be?
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I don't think you understood the question.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You and I will NEVER see eye to eye...you have a ton of football knowledge but not one ounce of ability to put it together and understand it.
This team would bulldoze over Crennell's last 2 teams. Especially his 10-6 team. And they would beat every other team Crenell put on the field. And how you can't see that is beyond me.
Look past the stat line. Crennell's Teams were getting BLOWN OUT of games...they GAVE UP in over half the games they played. Heck even this one dimensional Offense is built up enough to destroy the Crennell teams...the Crennell teams couldn't stop the run and couldn't cover a tight end to save their lives....Heck....that's the only 2 things this offense can do....run the ball and throw to the TE.
I mean really.....as bad as last years team was...they were STILL better than Crennell's last team.
This team Has the strongest foundation of any team we have put on the field in the return of the Browns. They do not have playmakers. They do not have the star players. But they finally have a true set of core players built. And they have at least started to change the perception of how Browns football should be played. Now is the time to start adding the walls to the foundation. To add those playmakers. And we seem to have a FO that can do that in coordination with the coach. We are building to endure and be successfull for a LONG period of time....not to be a flash in the pan. If that takes another year of putting the pieces to gether...so be it...I'll take it...I would rather have that and win for a decade than sacrifice it all for a season like Butch did.
And Mangini has done a FANTASTIC job of building that foundation. But with all that football knowledge you have....your lack of ability to put it together and understand it, won't let you see that.
The question at hand is Can he take the next step...and can the Browns afford to let him try? As I said earlier ..whether or not he deserves to try is irrelevant.
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1. he has a roster that is well below the salary cap and in position to acquire big name FAs if necessary.In fact the team looks to be in decent shape going into a year of uncertainty.
What salary cap would that be?
there isn't one going into next year but we all know that there will either be a cap or that finances will play a role in some form.
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If Mangini is replaced...It will be a rebuild...new coaches ...new systems...and there will be some turnover in personell. It will not be as drastic as the last time. But make no mistake...there will be a rebuild...
I mean if there isn't...then you are basically saying there was nothing wrong....and if there was nothing wrong...then why did you get rid of the coach in the first place.
IF Mangini stays...I fully expect Daboll to be gone. IF Mangini is gone....well I think part of that depends upon whether or not we have someone already lined up for the position. I don't think you let Mangini go without having someone SPECIFIC in mind who pretty much has a back door deal already in place should the position open up. Because...otherwise you are really gambling with the future of the team.
For instance...suppose Gruden is the guy we really want and expect to take the spot....because he will continue upon what we have built and cause the least amount of damage in his rebuild....But Gruden accepts the San Francisco job opening....so now what...Marty Morningwheg????John Fox???I mean the goal as I mentioned is to pick the guy who will continue to build off of what you already have accomplished....and not do any damage with his rebuild....So unless that guy is already locked up in a wink wink style....do you really let Mangini go?
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Of course with better talent we will win more...but that doesn't make him a better HC
Man that's gotta hurt when you run into walls like that 
OF COURSE with better talent we will win more... Is that to say that with worse talent we WON'T win more? In which case, isn't winning any amount a sign that he's a good coach?
You and this apoligist crap.. wow.. if someone gives a reason for thier thinking and it doesn't agree with yours, then it's an excuse....
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He asked for head coach specific things he's good at.
You were responded with salary cap, depth, and trades.
Again, you either didn't understand the question or purposely chose to ignore it so the answer fit what your main goal was ...which was to support Mangini.
As for the Jets...Ryan seems like he was willing to work with some players that Mangini was not...Mangini and Tannebaum built a nice foundation. Ryan and Tannebaum appear to be getting it over the hump.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You and I will NEVER see eye to eye...you have a ton of football knowledge but not one ounce of ability to put it together and understand it.
This team would bulldoze over Crennell's last 2 teams. Especially his 10-6 team. And they would beat every other team Crenell put on the field. And how you can't see that is beyond me.
Look past the stat line. Crennell's Teams were getting BLOWN OUT of games...they GAVE UP in over half the games they played. Heck even this one dimensional Offense is built up enough to destroy the Crennell teams...the Crennell teams couldn't stop the run and couldn't cover a tight end to save their lives....Heck....that's the only 2 things this offense can do....run the ball and throw to the TE.
I mean really.....as bad as last years team was...they were STILL better than Crennell's last team.
the 2007 Cleveland Browns scored 402 points and they gave up only 382 points.
the 2010 Cleveland Browns have scored 262 points and have given up 291 points
sure the 2010 Browns D is better, but the 2007 Browns Offense would tear through this D like a hot knife through butter...the 2007 KW2 would beat TJ WArd and Haden up and down the field like drums...not to mention Braylon Edwards when he is on he is ON and that year he was on...its not even a contest..
that Browns team put up nearly 30 points a game....this current team can't even score more then two TD a game...as bad as the 2007 D was...that team would still beat this team by a wide margin because they could score a lot of points in a short period of time...not to mention our Run D has been overated all year and Jamal Lewis of 2007 would run this current D over...
don't even compare this current team with a team that scored over 400+ points in 2007..its unfair...that 2007 team would probably blow this team out...they would get an early 3 Td lead and force us to pass and even that bad Crennell team could have Wimbely and Co tee off on the QB
its easy to say this team is better then last year...your local high school was probably better then last year...to say this team could beat the high scoring 2007 team is just not reality...sorry....the 2007 Browns would easily put up 35 points on this D and since the 2010 team struggles to get 1 TD a game against the likes of the Bills and Bengals...forget about it...the 2007 Browns put up 51 points on a Bengals team that was much more talented then the one we just lost too...
i'v heard some arguments in my time, buts its unbelievable someone would go as far as defend a 5-10 team saying its better then a 10-6 team that should have been in the playoffs if not for a meltdown in Pittsburgh...
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If Mangini is replaced...It will be a rebuild...new coaches ...new systems...and there will be some turnover in personell. It will not be as drastic as the last time. But make no mistake...there will be a rebuild...
Disagree...Any change will be minimal...
OC and DC maybe...Not alot of player though...Only guys Holmgren has now seen for a year and deemed worthless...
Smith
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Mosley
All spots that need those playmakers anyways... 
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there isn't one going into next year but we all know that there will either be a cap or that finances will play a role in some form.
Huh??
There is no cap at all right now and nobody has any clue whatsoever what any future cap might be.... thus him asking you just which cap it is that we're under.
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Of course with better talent we will win more...but that doesn't make him a better HC...just ask MIA fans...Sparano is the same coach Mangini is...alwas playing up or down to the competition, alwwas hoovering around 7-10 Ws with above AVG talent...and that's as good as it gets with this style...you'll barely make the PO every other year but won't get far with this
Also, as I said in the excuses thread...what is left of Mangini the HC if you impose an OC on him that runs his own (or MH's) Offense? What would be the difference between him and Ryan? A DC masked as HC? Great
You don't trust his player evaluation skils? You dont trust his Offense philosophy? You don't even trust him on 101 gameday coaching like clock management?...why the heck do you still want the guy around? Tell me...That is plenty enough to fire a HC for incompetence...and I haven't even tossed in the very questionable gameday play-calling (not to lose style) and getting outcoached constantly after the half...all that combined makes a horrible HC in my opinion
Please give me some HC specific things this guy is clearly GOOD at...
I do not trust any HC to be the sole talent selector, ever. Not Ditka, not Cowher, not Mangini, not Parcells... none of them because they are not the ones that spend all year looking at players.
I do trust his Offensive philosophy and I do trust him on 101 game day coaching. I far prefer a more attacking style offensive philosophy, but his works, and more importantly, it fits our talent level. We don't have the horses, or experience, to go getting into shootouts every week. We have scrub WR's and a rookie QB.. our entire offense has been Hillis.... you take him away and we're left with Watson and nothing. Until the WR corps elevates its game, we don't have much choice other than conservative.
Just because I do not like things that have happened does not mean I have no trust.
I question decisions, but I'm not so arrogant as to assume that I know everything enough to judge a decision without knowing the reasons for the decision(s). Yes, I will call things like his clock management at the end of the half stupid, but I also don't know WHY he did it... as far as any of us know, they could have been giving Daboll or Colt full reigns to see what he does. Like it or not, we're still trying to win, but we're in evaluation mode. It also could have just been a boneheaded mistake... and there's nothing wrong with that as long as you learn from it.
As for outcoached at the half... ever stop to think that we did make adjustments, but that we just didn't have the talent to pull it off?
Football is chess.... move-countermove. If they can figure out how to stop something, and we're unable to counter it... that isn't always being outcoached. Most times it is simply not having the pieces to pull off the counter. See WR's above for an example.
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Oh come on....the team that won 10 game in 2007 and lost 12 in 2008 were practically UNCHANGED. This almighty team you are spouting about put numbers up on the weakest teams in the league and didn't face half the competition that this team is facing. They benefited from a very WEAK schedule. And you know it.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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He asked for head coach specific things he's good at.
You were responded with salary cap, depth, and trades.
Again, you either didn't understand the question or purposely chose to ignore it so the answer fit what your main goal was ...which was to support Mangini.
As for the Jets...Ryan seems like he was willing to work with some players that Mangini was not...Mangini and Tannebaum built a nice foundation. Ryan and Tannebaum appear to be getting it over the hump.
there is more to coaching than game time decisions.
Who stays, who goes. Who does what, who plays where.
what we need, what we don't need. etc.
Why did I even need to mention that?
If the question was about game decisons, why wasn't it stated that way?
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That team had a flash-in-the-pan QB having a Cinderella season, three explosive receiving targets bailing him out at every turn and a future HoF running back having a twilight season.
Jurevicius and Winslow made that offense go. Get us two targets with similar size, athleticism and hands and you will see our offense take off.
With some work (and getting healthy), Evan Moore can fill one of those sets of shoes, but we still need something else.
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there isn't one going into next year but we all know that there will either be a cap or that finances will play a role in some form.
Huh??
There is no cap at all right now and nobody has any clue whatsoever what any future cap might be.... thus him asking you just which cap it is that we're under.
you don't need to look any furher than the 1914 A's to see that finances play a major role in professional sports even if there is not a salary cap.
BTW, who says there will not be a salary cap in place next season?
Got a crystal ball? Got some winning power ball numbers for me too?
Please PM me if you do. I'm tired of working for a living and supporting all the dead-beats in my neighborhood.
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That team had a flash-in-the-pan QB having a Cinderella season, three explosive receiving targets bailing him out at every turn and a future HoF running back having a twilight season.
Jurevicius and Winslow made that offense go. Get us two targets with similar size, athleticism and hands and you will see our offense take off.
With some work (and getting healthy), Evan Moore can fill one of those sets of shoes, but we still need something else.
Watson has had a decent year.
We need the speedy wide -out.
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What the heck are you talking about? You said that he had us under the cap... the response was "what cap?" because there IS NO CAP TO BE UNDER. Furthermore, you assert that with us being "under the cap" (the one that doesn't exist) that we are well positioned because of it. Do you not see how your claim is totally baseless? Lastly, the CBA completely expires at the end of this season. If there is even any football at all next year, there will be a cap, but absolutely NOBODY - not even the NFL - knows what it is. Quote:
BTW, who says there will not be a salary cap in place next season?
I'll play your silly game... Who? Because nowhere did I say it.
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Got a crystal ball? Got some winning power ball numbers for me too?
That's precisely my point... you don't have one either, yet you are claiming that we're well positioned.
Unless you're doing the team's books AND have been in on CBA negotiations, you don't know squat about how this team is positioned.
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There are strategists that are great when there is no real pressure on them. There are some that strive in the heat of battle. They are able to think on their feet and adapt to the present circumstance.
If Mangini had been leading the troops on D-Day we would still be sitting there on the beach waiting for the Germans to make a mistake.
He simply doesn't know how to win.
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There are strategists that are great when there is no real pressure on them. There are some that strive in the heat of battle. They are able to think on their feet and adapt to the present circumstance.
If Mangini had been leading the troops on D-Day we would still be sitting there on the beach waiting for the Germans to make a mistake.
He simply doesn't know how to win.
Haven't read a whole lot of Mangini positives...depth? wha is it now? do we have depth or not? When we play bad it's because poor Mangini has bad depth to work with....when we talk about the team in general he built depth? What is it?
The Jets argument isn't really a HC-specific one but as I said elsewhere (and Rish also responded to this) Ryan signed guys like Taylor, Pryce, Holmes, BE, Tomlinson, B.Scott that Mangini NEVER would have touched....and probably the same players never would have signed for Mangini...and I think it's fair to say that those players made the Jets a better team...I'm not even saying Ryan is a great HC, becaue he's not...overall he's slightly better than Mangini imho (I even think Mangini is football smarter overall...but that's not everything a HC has to be good at) but he put together a team Mangini never could or would have handled
2nd half fail jobs because of lack of talent? Really? Do BUF and CAR have better talent? Because both those teams dominated us in the 2nd half....
The Crennel to Mangini direct team comparison is difficult if not impossible since they never played at the same time....but both teams played against other NFL teams in their respective years....that's all we can really compare...and Mangini's teams haven't been more successful than Romeo's (and not only Romeo's 2007 team, and in 05 and 06 he had worse talent than Mangini inherited btw)...that's the bottom line for me looking at every relevant stat
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Or would you prefer him to be like Pickett at the battle of Gettysburg....and Charge the middle of the Union Line at their stongest point even though you know the odds of success of doing so are stacked universally against you.....
See I can play the History game as well....
But I agree that could be a valid point against him if we saw him with a full team and not one that was just a foundation...
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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He had the same exact problem with the jets and it is why he was fired. when t he game heats up Mangini teams falter.
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But I agree that could be a valid point against him if we saw him with a full team and not one that was just a foundation...
In a moment, Jango will chime in to tell you that that is an excuse and you are an apologist for Mangini...
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Oh so the Jets didn't look unstoppable when Farve was healthy????
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Again, he inherited: Rogers, Thomas, KW, BE, Rubin, Steiny, Vickers, Cribbs, Wright, DQwell and a great kicking trifecta (Phil-Zas-Ponty)...that's a solide enough foundation of AVG to pretty good NFL talent...he didn't have to built that...he inherited that
now try making a similar list with what Romeo inherited...good luck....to throw the question back....arguing that way....did Romeo EVER have a full team? His "fullest" team was the supposedly "bad" team Mangini inherited from him...and as below AVG as this roster was, it was the best roster ANY Browns HC inherited since our rebirth...hands down
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What the heck are you talking about?
You said that he had us under the cap... the response was "what cap?" because there IS NO CAP TO BE UNDER.
Furthermore, you assert that with us being "under the cap" (the one that doesn't exist) that we are well positioned because of it. Do you not see how your claim is totally baseless?
Lastly, the CBA completely expires at the end of this season. If there is even any football at all next year, there will be a cap, but absolutely NOBODY - not even the NFL - knows what it is.
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BTW, who says there will not be a salary cap in place next season?
I'll play your silly game... Who? Because nowhere did I say it.
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Got a crystal ball? Got some winning power ball numbers for me too?
That's precisely my point... you don't have one either, yet you are claiming that we're well positioned.
Unless you're doing the team's books AND have been in on CBA negotiations, you don't know squat about how this team is positioned.
we sure as hell don't have a lot of high priced salaries on this team now do we?
doesn't it stand to reason there could be plenty of financial resources left?
That would seem to be a logical conclusion dontcha think?
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NRTU Django,
Anyone on here think that maybe Mangini's future rests on his willingness to part ways with Daboll and bring in a Holmgren picked OC?
I could very easily see the end of season evaluation chat going something like this:
MH: Eric, I like the direction this team is heading under you. The team plays hard for you every game and you seem to have all of the players respect. What do you think of the season and your offense and defense and what do you need to make it work next season?
EM: Well Mike, I appreciate that and I honestly feel we are only a few players away on both sides of the ball. With some key FA pickup's and another solid draft like last years, I beleive we could be in contention for the AFC Central next year.
MH: I am leaning towards agreeing with you there Eric, but I do have some very strong concerns about our offensive philosophy.
I do believe that we need some more talent, but I was very disappionted with the play calling in almost everygame and I beleive that we need to bring in a new coordinator this next year.......what are your feelings on this?
Eric's answer could well decide his fate.
I personally hope that Eric gets one more year, but with a new O-Coordinater. Daboll just absolutely drove me nuts this year with his play calling.
Yes, the shoe drops on Eric's shoulders, but he is a defensive minded HC. We all knew that when he was brought in. I am not trying to make any excuses for Eric, it just that I feel we are on the right track and I don't care what anyone says, if we bring a new HC, it IS STARTING OVER.
Holmgrem is a smart man and as some have said, his mind may be allready made up. But I just feel that a new OC that was on board with Holmgrens offensive philosophy would help this team greatly without having to blow up and start from scratch AGIAN.
Just my humble $0.02
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I get the feeling, and I can't even tell you why really, that the decision has already been made..
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Plenty of resources left from what?
You're reaching. You said something stupid and got called out on it, no big deal, but don't reach to try to justify it.
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Yea, Daman, I do to, I just have to trust MH and hope and pray he knows what he is doing.
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....you have to remember...Holmgren has a boss too...Lerner was ticked off last year and he hired Holmgren to fix this mess...so now we have the same result.
If you payed a man million of dollars to run your company and you get the same net loss numbers you had last year...how would you as a shareholder feel about that at the next board of directors meeting?
Greatest post I've read in a while.
All these arm-chair GMs need to put themselves in Holmgren's shoes. He doesn't have the luxury of time and another mediocre season. His job & reputation are on the line. No time to be Mr Nice guy and wait and see. So why should he take that chance on a man that he didn't even hire and doesn't share the same philosophy with (good coach or not).
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I get the feeling, and I can't even tell you why really, that the decision has already been made..
I would guarantee you that it has. These decisions are almost never made short notice, and almost never without a plan in place. This is a huge multi million dollar business, and it is treated that way.
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