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How about Brad Childress running the O. I'm not a huge fan but there's a Heckertt connection there and Philly had a good O minus some receiver issues.
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Surely you feel bad for someone who has that taken away?
I feel bad because I think Mangini is a good person. As far as him getting fired without finishing the job, no I don't feel bad, this is the NFL. He chose to work as a football coach and this is what happens to football coaches who don't win.
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feel bad for Mangini but the retention of Daboll probably sealed his fate.
More than that..if Gini would have incorporated some of Holmgrem's offensive philosophies it might have gained him more leeway..but he didn't and it shortened his leash.
And you know this how?
Point to specifics, please, that demonstrate how Mangini did not incorporate that which Holmgren wanted him to - and cite references.
Here's a hint: you can't, you're talking out your backside.
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I don't much care who the coach is at this point. With no QB or WRs 5 wins is about the best we can expect.
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How about Brad Childress running the O.
No thank you. Reid called all the plays when Childress was in Philly. He didn't give up the play calling until Mornhinweg came.
And the reason why Childress and Favre didn't get along...Favre thought Childress didn't run the system correctly.
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I'm wondering if Holmgren will hire some all-star, all former HC's cavalcade to
coach the team. I'd sure like a ten year tenure for whoever comes in.
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...and you're throwing a lot of useless insults around Sir...sucks to be you I guess...Mangini didn't dissolve though..you can still worship him, it's ok 
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And you know this how?
Lets just say I do have some knowledge of things ..but perhaps U have a better reason(s).. 
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And you know this how?
Lets just say I do have some knowledge of things ..but perhaps U have a better reason(s)..
No, I'm pretty sure you're just tossing out your own thoughts as fact, like you always do.
You have no reasons, it's just what you do and when you get called on it you act coy like you did above.
Browns is the Browns
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Not just the money dude. Mangini struck me as a man of integrity and he wanted to finish off a job here. Surely you feel bad for someone who has that taken away?
I know the man's set for life financially. That wasn't my point. Money doesn't buy happiness.
My thoughts exactly.
Hey, this is probably the best thing for him and his family. I wish them nothing but the best.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Really?
Really?
Thats funny Purp..I usually throw in things I get insight on even though I don't mention where I got it from..but thats only because I've been on this board for a long time.
If ya don't buy it ,doesn't bother me one bit. Oh and BTW I don't need to act coy..I just let U guys think what ya want.
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See ya Mangini. You didn't do all bad here but your inability to understand how the clock works and misplaced faith in perhaps the worst offensive coordinator of all time killed ya.
I'm rooting for either Gruden or John Fox with a good offensive coordinator.
On the O coordinator side, I'd actually really like to bring back Chud. I think the guy had some skills and was victimized by DA being DA.
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He's just regurgitating what he reads over on the Scout board for subscribers. I'm a paid subscriber as well, and Attack gets most of his "inside" information from there.
One time one of his posts was almost verbatim a response by Lane Adkins to a question under the Ask the Insiders forum - which is a paid part of the site.
Anyone who is willing to pay $10 a month can get the same information.
Just this morning there was a question and answer that Attack is referecing. Adkins did state that there might have been more leeway had Mangini switched to an O that Holmgren preferred.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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agreed on both counts. I rooted for Mangini quite a bit even though there were things I didn't care for, mainly retaining Daboll. But I like seeing people succeed in cleveland and disappointing to all of us hitting the HC button yet again. I want Holmgrens experience as czar and mentor up top with a young coach on the gamedays so lets hope his pick is a good one 
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Not just the money dude. Mangini struck me as a man of integrity and he wanted to finish off a job here. Surely you feel bad for someone who has that taken away?
I know the man's set for life financially. That wasn't my point. Money doesn't buy happiness.
Well, kind of a foregone conclusion, but good luck Coach, and Thank You. I think that you did a great job as far as turning the culture of the team around, and making this into a more hard nosed, physically tough, and disciplined team.
You got a whopping 2 years. I guess that's our new standard.
Hope we pick the right guy.
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My own opinion is Mangini lost his job, and maybe even the team, when he kicked a field goal from the goal line in Buffalo
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Anyone think Mangini would make a good college HC?
Actually he prob would...oddly enough...
Michigan maybe? 
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You got a whopping 2 years. I guess that's our new standard.
I have a feeling he would have gotten a whopping 1 year if not for Holmgren being a former coach and a very fair-minded individual.
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President Mike Holmgren addressed the players after Eric Mangini did. Didn't rule himself out as coach. Let them know future bright.
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How does Holmgren interview himself that's what I want to know.
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The only thing I regret about Manginis stay is he never had solid QB situation due to no fault of his own and that makes it very difficult to judge his abilities as a coach. How come no one is talking about Cowher?
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Many fans who want Holmgren to coach can't even pronounce or spell his name right (they call him "Holgrem.")
SMH.
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If Holmgren takes over as coach then he should have done so from day 1. For him to take over in year 2 looks to me to be "I'll get a couple of drafts under my belt to get the team some talent ..... let this somewhat unpopular coach take the heat for an unwinnable schedule, then take over once we get to the winnable schedule and more talent."
That would appear to me to be the height of cowardice, because there is no way anyone could convicne me that it wasn't what he had in mind all along.
Further, I do not want the Team President coaching the team, period. I think that would blow up the structure we currently have in place.
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good luck to Mangini and thanks for all the hours spent trying to fix this train wreck. He leaves this team better off then he took over. Actually, I think Mangini was probably the best coach the browns have had since the expansion. Too bad the coach was hired before the GM. We all knew this was a backwards approach to building a franchise- well, everyone knew but the owner.....
My biggest question mark now is the defense. Is it a switch to the 43 or stay the course with the 34?? At least we did not lose recent draft picks building the 34. Haden and Ward will transfer to whatever system is chosen.
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Is the WR from Alabama named Julio Jones, Hoo-leo Jones, Hoo-leo Ho-nez, or Julio Ho-nez?
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I thought Gini' was a decent coach, but he didn't have balls to make some decisions, whether it be game time decisions, player depth/ playing time, and coaching changes. Daboll was not the answer, but I guess he should have been given atleast 2 years to try and prove himself instead of just 1.
Good luck Gini'..
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I'm shocked. I guess laying an egg against Buffalo and Cincy were the big reasons....and then getting BLASTED at home against pittspuke didn't help.
I get the sense from that article that the decision to terminate him didn't just crop up yesterday but instead had been building up since mid season.
Holmgren held a kinda wierd presser a couple of months back and I got the feeling then that things weren't smooth in the building. But I couldn't put my finger on it exactly.
In the end, I'm not sure that the lack of W's did Mangini in any more than the differences between the coaching styles of Mangini and Holmgren.
I don't know what it will mean, I don't know who's coming in to replace him.. lots of names have been floating around,, Mornihingwig, Gruden or maybe holmgren himself.. I even hear Haskells name mentioned.
It's not going to happen quickly.. they still need to fulfill the Rooney Rule requirements... and maybe some of the candidates are still on teams that are in the playoffs.. So this could take a month or so to finalize.
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j/c ....same ole' Browns.  The broken record which has become the Cleveland Browns franchise skips on. Quote:
NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora reports that Holmgren and the Browns have interest in Jon Gruden, but lack some of the offensive personnel Gruden desires, according to league sources.
You're gonna see the bigger names coaches out there stear clear of this job as the opportunity for real success is not present. We'll have to roll the dice one more time hoping that some guy desperate for the opportunity to coach in the NFL pans out for us.
Will we ever learn?
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NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora reports that Holmgren and the Browns have interest in Jon Gruden, but lack some of the offensive personnel Gruden desires, according to league sources.
You're gonna see the bigger names coaches out there stear clear of this job as the opportunity for real success is not present. We'll have to roll the dice one more time hoping that some guy desperate for the opportunity to coach in the NFL pans out for us.
Will we ever learn?
Ever learn about what?
We fired a guy who will lucky to ever be a HC in the NFL again.
It's like people wanted consistency just for the sake of consistency, winning be damned.
you had a good run Hank.
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We could have Lombardi, and it doesn't mean anything out on the field...
It's the players.. Gruden is right.. we need more talent. As a lot of people have said, that 2009 draft set us back some, as well as the 2008 with Savage.
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That would appear to me to be the height of cowardice, because there is no way anyone could convince me that it wasn't what he had in mind all along.
As evidenced by bringing in Delhomme & Wallace and insisting the W-L record improve with half of a team and the second toughest schedule... or else. Bush league, bogus, bull$#!%.
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I get the sense from that article that the decision to terminate him didn't just crop up yesterday but instead had been building up since mid season.
I get that too. I would have liked to keep Mangini but I pretty much knew he was toast.
Jay Glazer has been reporting Mangini's firing for almost a month now.
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I also would have liked to keep him. Up until the last 4 games, this is about as good as I have felt about this team since we came back. This was posted at cleveland.com this morning in an article by Grossi: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_fire_eric_man.html Holmgren opted not to coach in 2010, instead focusing on rebuilding the Browns' football and business operations. He reduced Mangini's authority but brought him back to coach despite well-known differences in football philosophy. Those differences -- most notably on offense -- widened in the one year they worked together. While Holmgren acknowledged "his way" wasn't the only way to win, he often winced at and privately criticized the Mangini offense coordinated by Brian Daboll. And this was a couple of paragraphs later: Holmgren tried to mentor Mangini and also offered the guidance of senior advisor Gil Haskell, his long-time offensive coordinator in Green Bay and Seattle, as a resource for Daboll. But Daboll at times seemed put off by the presence of Haskell, according to a team source. And the offensive product didn't improve. Holmgren was particularly critical of the passing game in his only public comments all season in November.
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But Daboll at times seemed put off by the presence of Haskell, according to a team source.
Infuriating if true.
Why the hell would Daboll be put off by the presence of one of the best offensive minds available?!
The arrogance, if true, is astounding.
you had a good run Hank.
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Ever learn about what?
We fired a guy who will lucky to ever be a HC in the NFL again.
It's like people wanted consistency just for the sake of consistency, winning be damned.
People want concsistency because we have NEVER given it a chance, we all know good and well what shuffling the deck every couple years gets us.
As far as Mangini getting another HC job again,...in time he will. Running that bumb Belicheck outa Cleveland didn't end his carreer either.
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I honestly admire Holmgren for taking his time and giving that year to Mangini. I think it allowed Holmgren to focus on getting a GM and scouts in place and also to begin shaping the business side of the Browns.
Now while Mangini was coaching, it really allowed him time to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of this team as well as that of the HC.
We have all seen the 3 and 5 year plans but this is the first time it seems like someone actually has a plan.
Personnel department in place
Business department in place
Coaching staff will be built to Holmgren and Heckerts strengths. They know what they want. They know what players will fit what they want and they know enough coaches to fill a terrific staff to secure the coaching philosophy they want.
Everyone on the same page top to bottom is simply something we havent had in decades.
This is the first post of the thread that actually made me feel a little bit better. Now, from your mouth to God's ear... and we might be all set. I do like the fact that we have H3 at the top... it mitigates a bit of the risk in whom we bring in, but still- Holmy's gotta knock it outta the park on the first pitch- or Randy might start twitching that trigger finger of his....
Thanks, Mourg.
You helped my BP reading by a couple of points.
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During that presser, Holmgren looked disgusted when asked about Daboll and the offense. When someone takes their time to come up with words of praise and the only thing they can think of is that he works hard they all work hard, something has to give.
I know a lot of people consider this a rebuild but truly its not. It is the process of Holmgren putting his stamp on everything. He didnt jump into this thing blindly. He has been taking steps toward his goal of a winning franchise in Cleveland. This is just another step towards that goal.
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Infuriating if true.
Why the hell would Daboll be put off by the presence of one of the best offensive minds available?!
The arrogance, if true, is astounding.
More likely, it's Grosse being a wad who likes people to think he knows more than he actually does. (anyone can write, "according to a source within the organization.") He's had a boner for Mangini since day one. All the reports I've heard, including from Daboll himself, said that he was glad to have both Holmgren and Haskell to runs ideas past and to consult with.
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