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But ESPN had a whole segment devoted to Indy and New England drafting future QBs!
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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You don't draft a QB in the 1st round if you have Tom Brady. Done deal. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts.
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I disagree lol. That usually happens when a team needs another impact player, but New England went through a "rebuilding" year last year. They still have 7 picks in the first 4 rounds, and not all of those players will even make their roster when you account for the other picks in the 5th 6th and 7th.
If I am Bill Belichick I know that I would much rather draft a guy (I think like Carson Palmer's situation) and let him sit for a year or two then turn the reigns over. Heck, we COULD see Belichick try to trade brady in a couple of years IFFFFFF (big if) he thinks the qb of the future is ready, similar to what Andy Reid just did. But regardless, if you have the chance AND talent to draft a guy that has upside and let him sit, why not?
Not arguing your opinion ... just arguing the "no ifs, ands, or buts" part of it. Are you saying that people can't disagree? Or are you saying unorthodox thinking and innovation doesn't build championships?
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On this point, yes. You don't draft a QB in the 1st round if you have Tom Brady.
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I can agree to disagree with you then. The Pats (just like any team) are not only 1 hit away from having a Matt Cassel esque season again ... they are one major decision of Brady stepping away from the organization and retiring while he's young, getting arrested or banned for something (stranger things have happened to top athletes ... I think the original LT, or how about Tiger Woods) ... and we also have no idea whatever goes on behind the scenese at Locked-Down New England.
I completely understand your point that you dont need to waste a 1st rounder when you might have the best QB in the league. But (like I said) Billy B. is known for going against the grain, and if he could get Cam, groom him for a year, trade away Brady in 2 years for a pair of firsts to a team competing but running out of time (like maybe Minnesota if they are on the cusp then ..?) then I don't see why you DONT do it.
No player is more important than the organization or the development of the team. Not Josh Cribbs, Not Peyton Manning, Not Tom Brady.
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Are you saying that people can't disagree?
On this point, yes. You don't draft a QB in the 1st round if you have Tom Brady.
What if Tom Brady is 34 and you know the guy you are drafting is going to take 3 or 4 years to work with?
By comparison, the Packers took Rodgers when Favre was 36 and still playing at a very high level and Rodgers was MUCH more NFL ready at the draft than is Cam Newton...
And I'll add that one of the reasons the Patriots have been so good for so long is because they don't always do what the conventional wisdom of other teams tells them to do..
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they are one major decision of Brady stepping away from the organization and retiring while he's young
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With his voice rising as he leaned forward in his chair, Brady said that playing 10 more seasons "is a big goal of mine, a very big goal. I want to play until I'm 41. And if I get to that point and still feel good, I'll keep playing. I mean, what the hell else am I going to do? I don't like anything else.
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getting arrested or banned for something (stranger things have happened to top athletes ... I think the original LT, or how about Tiger Woods)
Tiger Woods was arrested/banned? LT was a known drug user. Brady is as squeaky clean as they come.
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But what we do know is that they love Tom Brady. They don't pay anyone. But they paid Tom Brady. He's the one guy they will never let get away.
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When does Belichick go against the grain? Cam Newton has great potential. Tom Brady is great. You don't trade away a sure thing for something that might be.
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You're right. But Tom Brady is the team and the organization.
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What if Tom Brady is 34 and you know the guy you are drafting is going to take 3 or 4 years to work with?
If you really think Brady will be done at age 37 or 38 you draft a guy in the later rounds and develop him.
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By comparison, the Packers took Rodgers when Favre was 36 and still playing at a very high level and Rodgers was MUCH more NFL ready at the draft than is Cam Newton...
The Packers took Rodgers because he took a huge fall during the draft and was the best player available at the time. And their front office thought Favre was hurting the team.
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What do the Patriots really do that is that unconventional?
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I'd be very surprised if Newton makes it all the way to the Pats first pick and I'd probably be more surprised if they traded up to get him. I don't think he'll be a good QB in the NFL but I'm wrong at least as often as I'm right when it comes to QBs.
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If you really think Brady will be done at age 37 or 38 you draft a guy in the later rounds and develop him.
I think when a QB gets into his mid 30s you begin to plan in case he's done whether he wants to be or not.. that he either physically gets hurt or just mentally loses interest.. you can say, Brady can say, that it won't happen to him.. that can be said at 34.. but he has his supermodel girlfriend, they are having kids, he has tons of money, who knows when that desire to go through 2 a days just leaves him..
And the Patriots got lucky once drafting a QB in the 6th round and having him turn into one of the best ever, if they really believe that is a blue print on how to stay at the top, then I guess they could try it but I don't think Bill B is that stupid.
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So who is to say that if Cam falls late into the first or early second that the Patriots won't use a similar logic?
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The Patriots win with a lot of players that would be considered very mediocre on most other teams... they also have a habit of jockeying around in the draft, coming out with great value plus more picks than they started with...
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I think I'm pretty close to how Peen felt about Tebow last year...
I'm not going to say he's a future HOF, and will have a ring... but I will say he reminds me a lot of Ben Roth, but even better..
Whoever gets this guy, if they have anything close to a good offensive line.. watch out.. He will consistently take his team to the playoffs..
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That doesn't seem unconventional. That's seems smart.
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That doesn't seem unconventional. That's seems smart.
It's unconventional because there are a lot of dumb teams out there that can't seem to do it...
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. More than anything I just wanted to know is he a winner in the NFL or not. And why?
the answer to that is the same answer to why I don't want to draft him in the 1st round.
he very well could be successful in the NFL. I think he technically has more tools than Vince Young in the passing portion of his game, and Vince Young has been good when his head is screwed on right.
and therein lies the rub. Cam's dad can try to push as much of the blame on himself, but at some point, some of that blame falls on Cam too, no? With as many athletes who feel entitled and do not work at their craft hard enough to hone their skills despite having great talents, I do not trust that Cam will not become another one of these players. He certainly can succeed, but I am very uncertain that he will succeed.
At this point, I would rather have Cam Jordan than Cam Newton and it's not even close.
I agree. There is too much baggage following this kid. QB more than ANY other position is a mental one. An awesome NFL QB may have good physical skills and a great mind. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and even Aaron Rodgers are not unreal physical specimens.
Lots of 'amazing' athletes like Kyle Boller can throw the football through the uprights while kneeling on the 50 yard line, he was a horrible NFL QB. Cam comes with a lot of baggage. I would not want any part of him.
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I'll add one thing about the Pats....it's their way, even when their way seems dumb, it ends up working for them. They traded for Moss when all the world said they were stupid, worked out. They traded Richard Seymour when he was still playing at a high level (figuring the Pats would hold on to make a run with him but they valued a #1 pick more), worked out. They traded Moss away when people said it was going to hurt the team, worked out. They let Asante Samuel walk for nothing after their undefeated season, worked out. They traded Mike Vrabel, worked out. They traded Cassel, worked out. And they let Romeo, Weis, & Pioli walk too, worked out. They might not be winning every Super Bowl....but they're in the mix every freaking year.
So if they pick Cam Newton late in the first and say, "He's going to sit for 3-4 years and groom behind Brady." That wouldn't surprise me at all. And it would probably work for them. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if they traded Brady in two years because they might know something about his knee, ankle or drive to still be the best (and get two first rounders for him too). Come on, they seem to hit paydirt with every move they make.
With them, there's no rule about not drafting a QB with Brady on the roster. They'll go against the grain and then prove us wrong....Why? Probably just because they want to prove us wrong.
Now, the same philosophy killed the Chicago Bulls. Reinsdorf tried taking all the credit for their 6 titles. He refused to keep paying for the guys that got him there. Had he done so, Jordan, pippen, and Jackson would have gone for 7 or 8 titles, maybe 9. But, he blew it all up in an attempt to prove that he was right. It backfired. They stunk (but they're good again and we'll see how it ends up).
Maybe Bill will end up making the same mistake. Who knows.
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So if they pick Cam Newton late in the first and say, "He's going to sit for 3-4 years and groom behind Brady." That wouldn't surprise me at all. And it would probably work for them. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if they traded Brady in two years because they might know something about his knee, ankle or drive to still be the best (and get two first rounders for him too). Come on, they seem to hit paydirt with every move they make.
They'll draft Cam Newton, talk up how great he looks in practice, get him just a few snaps to impress others, then in 3 years as Brady is getting closer to retirement, they'll trade Cam Newton for a first, a second, and a good linebacker, the linebacker will go to the probowl in his first year with the team, with their first they will take the next Matt Ryan and let him sit behind Brady for his final two years and with their second they will take the next LaDanian Thomlinson... that's just how they roll.. 
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Even if he comes in as a backup to Tom Brady ... I could definitely see Belichick using some sort of system with him in it. Maybe not what we think the "wildcat" is, but maybe he brings in cam (whether it's meaningful snaps or garbage games) and actually runs a true spread offense ... I know that just by writing this I'll get 10 direct messages asking if I am right in the head (I'm a Browns fan ... what do you think the answer is  ) but I still think IF the league is seeing more of a passing game and we are evolving to playing more nickel and dime on the field (Heck we ran snaps last year with NO d-linemen on the field ... in MULTIPLE games ...) this could just be a wrinkle in the game that for a few years teams will have to account for a dual threat qb in a spread offense. I think he could do well in NE.
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It's not football in Cleveland w/o a QB controversy!  It'd be nice to get 1 offseason where the #1 QB was set in stone. Just 1. Draft Newton and it's DA/Quinn guessing all over again. I'm not saying that McCoy and Newton are the same playing abilities as DA/Q, just the same controversy that the #2 guy always looks great.
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I agree. We have so many holes on this team that spending our first pick on a QB when we may have a guy on the roster already that can run the WCO seems foolish to me.
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I agree. I was sort of hoping against hope he was just all defuncted from the switch to the 3-4 and had some false optimism about it. with his recent charges and more coming out about his time in washington, I would say stay away as well.
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Just get a load of this one.. what a head case. If Heckert drafts this guy.. we'll know he's nuts. webbage Feb 23, 2011 Cam Newton views himself as 'an entertainer and icon' 01:41 By Nate Davis, USA TODAY 131 Comments Uh oh. Cam Newton may want to parlay his million-dollar smile into more than just the face of an NFL franchise. That's what NFL personnel men may be saying about Heisman Trophy-winning QB Cam Newton after SI's Peter King tweeted the following from the former Auburn star: Newton: "I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon.'' Of course King is referring to some of the head coaches who could be pondering Newton as their first-round selection in April's draft amid his seeming recent climb into top 10 consideration. However this quote from Lebron James' playbook may give NFL teams pause over a kid who's already been the center of plenty of controversy during his college career. GIL BRANDT: 'Would shock me' if Newton doesn't go No. 1 in draft Early reaction to Newton's words wasn't positive. "There's a lot that goes with being the face of an organization. And when you make a statement about being an entertainer and being an iconic figure, in my opinion, he's not thinking the right way," said former Cowboys FB Daryl Johnston on NFL Network's NFL Total Access on Tuesday night. Added Packers LB A.J. Hawk: "I was just thinking about current starting star quarterbacks in the NFL, and I can't see any of them ever really saying something like that. ... I can't really see any of them embracing comments like that."
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He's got disaster written all over him (see T.O.). He might be be good, maybe great....but something tells me there will be a small set of people that really like him and a way bigger set that really dislike him.
Oh well, be careful about all the pressure you're putting on yourself Cam. You may get your wish about becomming an icon (one who is the object of great attention) but as a gigantic bust in the NFL.
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Why his agent doesn't have a gag on him 24x7 is beyond me. That one display of immaturity likely just cost the agent a million (or more).
I wouldn't represent a high profile kid without ensuring that he is contractually bound to clear all interviews with me first and that he must be coached on dealing with the press before allowing to do any interviews at all.
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I didn't see... did he fire his fath... er, old agent?
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I think his agent is the one who set the interview up.
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Cam should be a little more humble.. but he was pretty amazing to watch.
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When he doesn't have to read coverage. Against college players who can't tackle him.
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What I'm trying to say is, he won't be able to run as freely in the NFL when there are Patrick Willis types also on the field.
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I'm pretty sure he will do fine in the league if he has some decent people to play with..
If Buffalo passes on Newton, do you think Nati' pulls the trigger on him. I really don't want to play him.
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If Buffalo passes on Newton, do you think Nati' pulls the trigger on him. I really don't want to play him.
oh man, I so HOPE Cinci takes him, lol... that would ROCK 
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Uh oh.
Cam Newton may want to parlay his million-dollar smile into more than just the face of an NFL franchise.
That's what NFL personnel men may be saying about Heisman Trophy-winning QB Cam Newton after SI's Peter King tweeted the following from the former Auburn star:
Newton: "I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon.''
Of course King is referring to some of the head coaches who could be pondering Newton as their first-round selection in April's draft amid his seeming recent climb into top 10 consideration.
However this quote from Lebron James' playbook may give NFL teams pause over a kid who's already been the center of plenty of controversy during his college career.
GIL BRANDT: 'Would shock me' if Newton doesn't go No. 1 in draft
Early reaction to Newton's words wasn't positive.
"There's a lot that goes with being the face of an organization. And when you make a statement about being an entertainer and being an iconic figure, in my opinion, he's not thinking the right way," said former Cowboys FB Daryl Johnston on NFL Network's NFL Total Access on Tuesday night.
Added Packers LB A.J. Hawk: "I was just thinking about current starting star quarterbacks in the NFL, and I can't see any of them ever really saying something like that. ... I can't really see any of them embracing comments like that."
In context, it wasn't that bad.
Newton was asked about his big new endorcement contract with UnderArmor or someone, and what it means to him ....... and that's when he replied about not only being a football player, but an entertainer and an icon.
In the end, if he looks like he can play QB, he'll go very high in the draft. If he doesn't, then he'll go very high in the 1st round of the draft anyway, because someone will take a chance on him.
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He has all the tools to be a very good QB except he isn't very bright.
He also has baggage a team will have to deal with.
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LMAO! Post of the month. 
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