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Because he did not have very much success when he was an OC, on a team with, at worst, comparable talent and in a division where no team finished above .500.
adam...this is where many run into a problem..they through out a comment that does not match the facts.
Adam...did you expect the Rams to go from a 2-14 team to the Super Bowl in the two seasons Shurmur was the OC for Rams?
Try looking up the stats, keeping in mind, you are looking for improvement in offensive performance...try it...then tell me about Shurmur's success...ok?
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I still have to ask why the Browns interviewed guys to be offensive coordinator if they had decided that they would go without one. That just doesn't seem like a logical progression to me.
Shurmur has stated that he tried to hire an OC but the ones he wanted didn't want the job.
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Browns coach Pat Shurmur confirmed Thursday he will go without an offensive coordinator -- an unorthodox move in the NFL -- and said his staff is basically complete.
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Yeah, that mysterious who will start junque was worthless. Like a D would scratch their heads and wonder what they will do if A starts over B, etc. Naive. They are going to try and crash the QB. Stupid pride if you feel the "Mystery Date" approach to QBs got us ANYthing by waiting to announce. Seems like those who didn't commit had way more grief. This is a poor decision IMO because of the mountains of werk to be done; however, props to Shurmur for announcing Colt. So Jake is #3 now? 
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Mac…I had no expectations for the Rams, because I neither support nor care about the Rams. I suppose you could say that my expectation was that they would suck, just as they've done for the past few years.
mac…I watched a team needing a win to make the postseason take the ball out of the hands of an elite NFL running back and rely on the arm of an average rookie QB at the end of a long season. Mack…I saw a rookie QB a few months removed from shoulder surgery have the third highest number of passing attempts but the lowest yards per attempt of any QB who started the majority of games for his team. Mac…I saw an elite NFL running back have one of worst seasons, statistically, of his career.
Mac…the Rams scored 1.2 more points per game than the Browns did, and won a whopping two more games. They scored two fewer touchdowns. All of this despite the fact that the Browns had the fourth hardest schedule while the Rams had the second easiest, based on strength of schedule.
Forgive me for being underwhelmed.
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Here's the deal Adam.
If the Cleveland Browns were to take an ice cream cone,dip it in dog crap tell them it's hot fudge and hand it to these guys,they would consider it be the best they've ever had.
Contrary to the results of the past decade plus,they see the Browns as a well run organization.This lastest foray into the land of bizarro world is nothing to get excited about,it'll only last a few years.
Hey,if Belicheck can do it,why can't Shurmur?
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• On Colt McCoy as the starting QB heading into camp: "It would be a logical assumption. Until we draft another QB. Then they'll compete to see who wins the job. I think competition is good for the team. It brings out the best in everyone. Every spot must be earned. This is a storied franchise. In a great city. It's an honor to be here in Cleveland, where they have the most loyal fans in the world."
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Browns coach Pat Shurmur confirmed Thursday he will go without an offensive coordinator -- an unorthodox move in the NFL -- and said his staff is basically complete.
Que up mac and a three page tirade about the use of the word "unorthodox" vs "rare".
Gift..."unorthodox" move, according to whom?
According to Mary K. Cabot...that is her opinion and what she based it on, who knows.
definition of unorthodox = Breaking with convention or tradition; not orthodox, independent in behavior or thought, not conventional in belief, behavior, custom.
I guess it was unorthodox when Paul Brown called the plays when he was HC of the Browns..
It was probably unorthodox when Bill Walsh called his own plays when he was hired as the 49ers HC in 79..
It was most likely viewed as unorthodox when Mike Holmgren called his own plays after becoming the HC of the Packers..
If some want to call HC Shurmur "unorthodox" for calling plays for the Browns...I would say Shurmur is in good company, following in the footsteps of some of the NFL's greatest and most successful head coaches.
"unorthodox" is good...
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We'll see if it is... Will everyone defending Shurmur on not getting an OC, keep the faith if/when he screws up clock management, or gets a flag or two for delay of game because he didn't have the play ready, or even when his play calling becomes so simple (ie. run, run, short pass, punt) that we all know what play he will call next. Just asking, because that is what I expect to see from a first time HC, even if he had an OC. Will the Media just let it slide? Ha-no way Just remember, you can't complain about no OC, if Shurmur starts to take the team down the drain.   My big hope is that Shurmur will become OC, and Mike will come down and become the HC. 
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Just remember, you can't complain about no OC, if Shurmur starts to take the team down the drain.
After two consecutive 5-11 seasons, there isn't much further down the drain to take this team.
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Just remember, you can't complain about no OC, if Shurmur starts to take the team down the drain.
After two consecutive 5-11 seasons, there isn't much further down the drain to take this team.
well, we were 4-12 before those 2 seasons
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Just remember, you can't complain about no OC, if Shurmur starts to take the team down the drain.
And you can't praise him if he succeeds. 
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Just remember, you can't complain about no OC, if Shurmur starts to take the team down the drain.
And you can't praise him if he succeeds.
Why not?
There is nothing I would enjoy more than to be able to say proudly that I was wrong. Man, I really hope that happens. if it does, I will start a thread smacking the crap out of myself in the shack.
However, if we're still struggling around .500 or below in year 4 of the Shurmur reign, then we're still in trouble.
It just seems that we do things in such a screwed up fashion around here ...... Head Coaches forcing our GMs and Team Presidents ... (Butch) Coaches leaving in the middle of the season because they are stressed out .... (Butch again) Pete Garcia run wild ..... 1st time personnel guys whose heads explode with thoughts if their own self importance (Savage) .... 1st time head coaches who were in so far over their heads that it was sad ... plus being burdered with a GM who pretty obviously didn't believe in him ....(Crennel) The Kokinis debacle ....... bringing in Holmgren during the season last year ...... the "extra year" of Mangini, that in retrospect seems like it was a wasted year ..... and now we're on to the "next" great hope, with an unusual staff alignment to say the least. Most NFL teams have an offensive coordinator on staff, whether he calls plays or not. We're going against convention. You may not agree, but to many this is a worrisome proposition.
We can disagree with the design of the staff, the coaches hired, and be worried about how the whole picture fits together without giving up our fandom. We reserve the right to later say that we were wrong if that proves to be the case.
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We'll see if it is...
Will everyone defending Shurmur on not getting an OC, keep the faith if/when he screws up clock management, or gets a flag or two for delay of game because he didn't have the play ready, or even when his play calling becomes so simple (ie. run, run, short pass, punt) that we all know what play he will call next. Just asking, because that is what I expect to see from a first time HC, even if he had an OC.
Will the Media just let it slide? Ha-no way
Just remember, you can't complain about no OC, if Shurmur starts to take the team down the drain.
My big hope is that Shurmur will become OC, and Mike will come down and become the HC.
Unlike some, I know that coaches and players and owners and presidents and GMs are human and I have no problem with them making a few mistakes..
But around here, a coach can have 10 wins and still, some people want him fired because of a bad decision or a player that didn't play up to potential...
So yes, I'll not worry about a few mistakes...
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Just remember, you can't complain about no OC, if Shurmur starts to take the team down the drain.
After two consecutive 5-11 seasons, there isn't much further down the drain to take this team.
well, we were 4-12 before those 2 seasons
Like I said, there isn't much futher to fall. 
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http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4678200/cowboys-interview-packers-wr-coach-robinsonhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/11/patriots-make-bill-obrien-offensive-coordinator/JC: The Pats hired their QB Coach and made him their O-Coordinator. The Cowboys are interviewing the Packers WR Coach to be their O-Coordinator. If the Cowboys hire this guy, this will leave the Browns as the only team without an O-Coordinator (if i'm not mistaken the Chiefs hired someone) I guess the way I'm going to have to look at this is that Shurmur will focus solely on the offense and leave Jauron stirctly to the defense. I guess Wipple will play a big role in game planning along with Haskell, and Shurmur is going to slowly work his way into the head coaching position. I guess he'll only focus on evaluating offensive personnel. But there's gotta be more to being a head coach than just gameday decision making. Otherwise, plenty of other teams would simply not have a coordinator and have their head coach do that entire role I really don't get why we have to be the only ones without one.
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None of this is meant argu'mentatively. If read that way I can sound like a butthead. But I'm simply thinking out loud. Probably to loud...
Had Holmgren fired Mangini when he got here it certainly wouldn't have surprised anybody, especially the blood sucking media who wouldn't let up on the poor guy. But to do that, even knowing it would be the best for the Browns since he and Mangini were so apart in philosophy, it would have gone against all that he believes in as a coach. He said so himself. He just couldn't fire a guy after only one season.
Wasted year? I guess. But had Mangini set the world on fire with this team who just might have turned the corner at the end of the '09 season he would have defended Holmgren keeping him. He didn't. But in the end Holmgren stayed true to himself. So in that regard I doubt he has any regrets now other than a little more catching up to do and Lord knows he had some serious catching up to do anyway.
Holmgren is an OC. Haskell is an OC. Shurmur is an OC. Mr. Whipple is an OC. Who the needs one named for the sake of naming one?
Holmgren and Haskell both were available last season though I wonder how much they were "brain-picked" considering the head coach and OC were so different in philosophy.
But even at that Holmgren and Haskell have already been psudo active as coaches as it was. Even with Mangini as the Head Coach. How much more will they be able to help now that there's a coach of whom they understand his offensive philosophy?
Personally I have no problem with Holmgren "coaching up" Colt McCoy. I don't see that as butting in. I see that as having one of the best QB guru coaches in the history of the NFL in our building so why wouldn't we take advantage of that? Are we gonna hire a QB coach while Holmgren sits in his office hoping someone comes in and asks him a question? Sure, we have one. But Holmgren will still protect his investment by being involved. Colt claimed he helped him a great deal. I hope it continues.
I'm fine with him being on the practice field. I'm fine with him weighing-in on game plans even if it's just another set of eyes. He needn't be responsible for any of it but his active involvement would be a blessing to our passing game. All the same goes for Haskell.
On the other side of the ball, well, that's the other side of the ball. Over there is an older, experienced guy who's been a head coach twice. Coach of the year once. He should know the drill.
He should be able to get a 4-3 up an running as quickly and as well as anyone. He's had some success at it. The head coach won't be burdened much at all with any of that. He's another guy of the same overall philosophy of success even though he's not an offensive coach. He knows and understands and works within the same organizational philosophy so he should fit in and not be the proverbial square peg in a round hole. He may coach forever and he may retire in 3-5 years giving way to a younger up an comer who will hire into a good situation if Juron builds it well.
I'm ok with most of what is going on including the decisions that have been made. Roster wise I see a huge house cleaning and expect some growing pains as Heckert rebuilds it. I'm in for that long haul as are we all. For now I'm content and satisfied just seeing it all take place. Hopefully to a better place.
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This just keeps getting funnier by the day.
it just seems to being more apparent by the day that were screwed...im beginning to think Prp is right....we may be worse off then many realize...maybe even more then i thought i realized and if thats the case..thats bad..i don't even want to think about it.
of course mac and others will just come out and call me a holmgren hater, a Mangini lover, whatever...but my word...what in the world do we have to be optimistic about here? this looks like a classic blunder....
I really want to win, I really do...at this point i don't care who is running things Holmgren, Mickey Mouse, donald Trump, i don't care...but sheesh...this is not looking good at all.
I shudder to think if this team wins 5 or less games next year Holmgren's seat will be getting pretty darn hot as the media calls for everyones head and the fans here go ballistic......
Holmgren painted himself into a corner..."his guy" MUSt be better then Mangini...if he isn't...things are going to get ugly and Holmgren has no one to blame but himself...Mangini wasn't as far off as many like mac think...our season could have been completely different had Stuckey not fumbled in OT against the Jets and fujita not gotten hurt...we could have been 8-8 or 9-7...we were that close......progress was made like it or not...
I just see this whole thing getting ugly if "Holmgren's guy" is not better then the guy he fired....and im tired of starting over....call me old fashioned but tell me this....why not actually let a coach you hire actually be here through the length of the contract you signed him for? please tell me...how is it productive to pay a coach for the next two years that no longer works for you? or paying him close to that in a settlement when he isn't even doing any work for you anymore...please help me....how is it good business to pay a guy millions of dollars to sit at home?
its counter-productive...shurmur only got this job because one of his relative coached for Holmgren in Green Bay, and they share the same agent...your telling me holmgren didn't know...BS....him and Lamonte are Best freinds...thats just BS to insult my intelligence and tell me he didn't know...Holmgren knew alright, in fact im sure Lamonte was on the phone with Holmgren setting up the interview 5 mins after Mangini was let go.....
i hope im wrong, but this has all the makings of being a disaster worse then the Phil Savage email to a Bills fan.....
I am sorry but Holmgren and Shurmur are going to have to prove to me they deserve my confidence, and right now...they are not doing that.
right now...im with you Prp....i believe we are royally shafted! in more ways then many including myself may realize.
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I'll continue to watch everything unfold with a watchful eye but I reserve to make initial judgement till the first regular season game.
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Holmgren painted himself into a corner..."his guy" MUSt be better then Mangini...if he isn't...things are going to get ugly and Holmgren has no one to blame but himself...Mangini wasn't as far off as many like mac think...our season could have been completely different had Stuckey not fumbled in OT against the Jets and fujita not gotten hurt...we could have been 8-8 or 9-7...we were that close......progress was made like it or not...
I have a hard time believing Scott Fujita makes a 3 or 4 win difference. They guy does a good job and all but he's hardly a game breaker.
All your boy had to do was beat the Bills and the Bengals and he's still here. Losing to those teams is not progress.
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I am sorry but Holmgren and Shurmur are going to have to prove to me they deserve my confidence, and right now...they are not doing that.
The way that the NFL works, no team except Green Bay has any real reasons to be happy, unless they settle on moral victories.
1. We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes
2. We don't know the "master" plan (for all we know Gil Haskell will be the one who implements the offense during camp and runs it monday through friday)
3. Every team has other issues on hand with the whole CBA going on, so things will naturally be hectic. Otherwise for all we know we are hosting 3 of the top 5 playmaking free agents right now in cleveland and trying to win.
I dont question your reasoning at all, I question why you badger and rather than pick and choose your battles of why you do or do not like the regime, you claim that the sky is falling when we aren't a week removed from the superbowl.
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I just see this whole thing getting ugly if "Holmgren's guy" is not better then the guy he fired....and im tired of starting over....call me old fashioned but tell me this....why not actually let a coach you hire actually be here through the length of the contract you signed him for? please tell me...how is it productive to pay a coach for the next two years that no longer works for you? or paying him close to that in a settlement when he isn't even doing any work for you anymore...please help me....how is it good business to pay a guy millions of dollars to sit at home?
This argument is stupid. Why do you bring the money factor into this? Do you know Randy Lerner's finances? Let him handle the money the way he wants to.
Say that it's unproductive for him to keep firing guys because we can't get continuity and stability in place. But don't bring up the stupid money thing. It doesn't count against our salary cap, so whatever.
Until you see his tax forms or have any idea of how much Randy Lerner makes or has, don't pull the "we're paying too many coaches who are doing nothing" thing
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All your boy had to do was beat the Bills and the Bengals and he's still here. Losing to those teams is not progress.
You think.
None of us know what Mangini had to do to keep his job. None of us.
The only thing that we do know is that the results we got last year were not good enough to do it. Beyond that ..... would 7 wins have done it? 10? Would it have taken a trip deep into the playoffs? None of us can say for sure.
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You are correct ytown, we don't know and anything we say is basically speculation. The one thing I feel safe in speculating is that we had to improve over the year before and there were spurts where it looked like we had and extended periods where it looked like we did not.
I think that one of the things that helped Mangini keep his job in the first place was the way we ended the year before... starting 1-5 with losses to KC and TB didn't help, they were decent but still fairly mediocre teams.. then not really being in the Baltimore game and getting beat bad by Pittsburgh... I think most of the decision was made at that point.. there might have been some light at the end of the tunnel with the wins over the Saints and Pats but instead of building on that and finishing strong, we collapsed and lost to a couple 2 win teams then lost 3 division games in a row to close out the season...
That is my guess at how the thought process went.
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Mediocre?
KC won their division and Tampa Bay was a 10-6 team in a division with Atlanta and New Orleans as the top 2. Tampa Bay was also 10-6. I wish we had managed that level of mediocrity. lol
KC was the #11 scoring defense last year, and Tampa was #9. I've covered, in fairly complrehensive detail, just how important this is. I wish we had been that mediocre. We were close though, at #14. Defense seemed to be on a solid track, where a couple of playmakers in the front 7 would have upgraded that scoring defense into the top 10.
Add to that the fact that we lost our starting QB after week 1. (he was injured in that first game) We then had to go with a backup who was also in his 1st season here.
We played 5 games last year against teams with losing records. Cincy X2, Buffalo, Carolina, and Miami. Jacksonville was 8-8. Everyone else we played was 10-6 or better. That's 10 games against teams with 10 or more wins. That's sick.
We switched QBs with alarming regularity ... that often cooresponded with the loss of yet another player on the right side of the OL.
Regardless, last year is over and done with. I thought that we might hit 8 wins on the high side of things. That was assuming that KC and Tampa would remain really bad teams. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.
Anyway ..... the thing that I think happened was that Holmgren found that he just could not deal with a defensive minded coach. He tried it, but found that he could not handle a team that preferred putting its fate in the hands of its defense as opposed to putting its fate in the hands of its offense. If we had made the playoffs, Mangini probably would have been kept, as It would have been incredibly difficult to fire a playoff coach. barring that and Mangini was gone.
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Couple good points there too by the way... some things I hadn't thought about before.
But answer me this (and this is to anyone in general) ... can anyone remember any games at all that REALLY felt like we were in control and dominating? I supposed you could say New England because we flat out beat them ... and I would include New Orleans in there as well but we didn't exactly "dominate" .. we played well and benefitted off of multiple defensive plays ...
I guess that part of the reason that mangini might be gone is that when you take a step back you could argue out of 16 games we won 2 of them... were blown out 2 of them ... and then played 12 games that could have been won in a coin toss ... but we never really controlled any of them. It always seemed like we were hanging on by a thread, even when we had the lead. It was like even if we were up by 7 or 10 or 14 ... we were only one big play from going "here we go again ..."
Does anyone else feel like that's the kind of season that we just finished up? No confidence, no faith .. we got luck a couple of days and other than that we hoped teams played down to our level.
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I actually never felt that way.
I felt like we lacked a few playmakers. I thought that a playmaker at WR along with a pass rushing OLB and a powerful DE would have created the big plays that could very easily have tipped many of those games in our favor. Hell, we lost 2 games on Delhomme INTs returned for TDs. That has nothing to do with coaching. It has to do with the fact that we had crap at QB, and brought in new crap hoping that it would smell better than the old crap. Unfortunately, Delhomme turned out to be the same QB that he was the year before. Wallace only played a few games before he was hurt, and he was never a difference maker. McCoy showed glimpses, then he got hurt too.
We went through 3 different starting QBs last year, and the inevitable troubles that McCoy would face. (and did at the end of the year) McCoy would have been an extremely rare QB to go through his entire rookie year without facing any setbacks. All rookie QBs seem to face those moments where defenses start figuring out and taking away what they do best, and then the QB has to adjust to the defensive adjustments. In many ways, injuries prevented that process from playing out all the way through last year.
We played one hell of a tough schedule last year. We did so lacking real playmakers at several key positions.
Looking forward, hopefully we can add some playmakers, especially on defense, and go win a lot of games.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I'm not sure why we are continuing to rehash the past. it is over with. Some people want to attack Mangini and others want to defend him.
Whether or not he was given a fair shake it doesn't matter since he is gone. We now have a whole new set of coaches. I'm judging the new group on their merits. Just because MH brought them here is not good enough for me.
I typically take a wait and see attitude. I am slow to make decisions, and even slower to change my mind. I find too many fans think with emotion. I try to avoid doing that. I have come out and called Shurmur an idiot. I am standing by that statement. It's not because I'm upset because someone got fired, or that he is basically an unknown. I think he is being foolish beyond my comprehension with how he is deciding to run this team.
I'm not saying he is going to fail. I certainly do not want him to. It is simply my opinion on what he is doing now, not how it may turn out later.
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Just remember, you can't complain about no OC, if Shurmur starts to take the team down the drain.
And you can't praise him if he succeeds.
I will be too stunned in disbelief to do anything. I think we get 4 to 5 win's this year.
Unless Shurmur is a complete and utter failure, and Mike doesn't come down to become the Browns HC, then I want Shurmur to stay on for 4 to 5 years. We will be picking top 5 for the next few years, but if he shows some light, then let it play out. We must maintain some semblance of stability.
But the next few years will feel like => 
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I definitely don't like the direction we've taken, but it is what it is. I absolutely agree that we need stability in coaching and direction. I am tired of pulling the whole damn thing up by the roots every couple of years.
Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur are here ...... so let them do their thing for the next 4 -5 years and see what they can build. Hopefully they'll build something worthwhile.
I do reserve the right to be critical of them though. Just because I don't want things blown up constantly doesn't mean that I am going to agree 100% with each and every decision they make, or thing they do.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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screw the 5 year plan.
I expect to see results next season.
I am not going to put a number on it because I know improvement when I see it.
I saw it last year, but that wasn't enough for Mangini, but that was mostly a marriage that wasn't going to work.
I expect things will change. I don't care what sort of system we run, if we have a offensive coordinator or not, or if we run a 3-4 or 4-3.
I just expect to see improvements over last season....and that isn't just wins. The schedules don't even compare.
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it just seems to being more apparent by the day that were screwed...
Apparent to whom and for what? Fear of the unknown? Fear for the sake of fear? Gimme a break. it's not rocket science.
Holmgren has been at this a long time, heckert has as well. Maybe this isn't the exact set up they envisioned, but these are the cards they were dealt. So they gotta play them out.
In the end, you may be right, but for cryin out loud, step away from the ledge. don't pull the trigger, put the pills down.. and, give it a little chance..
EDIT: I should add this, I'm not overwhelmed by things so far. Not 100% thinking this is the right way to do things. But I recognize I don't have all the details or facts as to how they are thinking and what they went through to come to these decisions.
In other words, I'm sure I don't know all things so to knock them before they have a chance to finish the product,, both on and off the field seems senseless... at least to me.
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Maybe people would have felt better had the team named me OC?? 
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Maybe people would have felt better had the team named me OC??
I would.
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our season could have been completely different had Stuckey not fumbled in OT against the Jets and fujita not gotten hurt...we could have been 8-8 or 9-7...we were that close......progress was made like it or not...
I'll give you the Stuckey fumble against the Jets as more than likely costing a win. Fujita is ONE player. I doubt his injury alone cost the Browns 3 wins.The Packers had 15 players on IR and won the Super Bowl.
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Maybe people would have felt better had the team named me OC??
I would.
Me too! And I would be the 1st to stand up an say that we should cut you some slack. "Sure he has never been an OC before but until he shows he can't do the job we should give him the benefit of the doubt. After all Holmgren picked him and Holmgren knows coaches. And of course 'peen can't be anuy worse than Daboll"
Am I perfect? No
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