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As far as you're ideas and quotes from Deuteronomy ... without getting too religious I wanted to point out that those specifically were taken slightly out of context Joker. (At least I think, depending on your interpretation). In the book of Deuteronomy, and in the point that you quoted, I believe (from memory) that God is telling Moses that when they actually have their cities and their people, not to let others come in and worship other gods.

When your society of "law" does not have kings, officials, presidents, or even judges yet (as in Deuteronomy) ... their "political" system was their religious system. Everything that they did was about living through God's laws. By turning from them they turned from society and the people. So, just for some interpretation, they are advocating killing, but not so much as to kill anyone who thinks differently (they didn't wage war and have militaristic conquests across the world) .. at that time they were only protecting their territory and defending their very way of life by being invaded from others.

It is very similar to saying we wouldn't allow communists / socialists to run for political office here and try to change our very ways of life.

Little different, but I think you get the idea.

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Just remember, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and in this case your house is made of the finest glass.

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Kind of hypocritical aren't you? While successfully proving me wrong, you have in fact, made my point.

On the other hand, I was raised catholic and went to 12 years of catholic school. I was an altar boy. I have an Aunt who is a nun. And even though I haven't gone to church in years, not once over my entire lifetime was I ever taught violence towards any other being or faith.

Sure the bible, in which you have enlightened me, has enties suggesting violence. The difference is that while I do believe that most mosques do not preach violence, there are many who do, and this is a known fact. Also in this country it is probably less frequent. But to act as if it isn't prominent throughout the mideast is foolish. It is premoted by their own websites. It is demonstrated on the streets in public, and is suggested by many of their own leaders openly in the press.

Comparing "radicalized" Islam to Christianity as they are practiced in present times is absurd. Comparing "radicalized" Islam to decent Muslim people is absurd. These hearings are about Muslims being taught a radical form of an otherwise respectful religion.

You can sit and judge me personally if you feel that makes your point, but comparing the religion I was taught and the way of life most christians are asked to live, to teaching someone that another race is somehow less and should be destroyed (the Jews), is a joke.

Maybe you are Muslim, and I can respect you for that. But the day you suggest that a complete race or religion does not deserve to live because they are of different beliefs, that respect is gone.

Once again, these hearing are about teaching "radical" ideas, and using mosques to hide the practice. It is not about Islam on the whole.

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and after doing so they deliver more factual information than the majority of the content on news networks like FOX, CNN, etc.

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Keep believing that if you want, but the fact is they are skewed by a left leaning bias just as CNN.

There is no real news anymore. Opinion has replaced true journalism. With the 24 hour news cycle, networks have infused so many "opinion" shows throughout the day, that when reports of actual news are presented, within the hour there is an opinion segment presented. These things cloud the real issue with bias and agenda. All the news networks are guilty, but FOX recieves the most grief, mostly because they are the only ones not pushing the left leaning agenda that 90% of the others do.

Just like the way this thread has become an arguement about Islam vs. Christianity, the facts become deluded.
The hearings are not about Islam, but the use of mosques to hide the premotion of terrorism.

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Keep believing that if you want, but the fact is they are skewed by a left leaning bias just as CNN.

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But, they're quick to call out stupidity as they see it, no matter the side. Even if you don't like some of the ideas, they're at least rational and fact-based regardless of their lean. Plus, John Stewart, a lowly comedian, can talk circles around all of the other pundits on any other news channel.

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Plus, John Stewart, a lowly comedian, can talk circles around all of the other pundits on any other news channel.

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You have got to be kidding. Stewart is not even a good comedian.

I have watched the show, and that is where I get my opinion.

To say he uses more facts than most real news agencies is absurd. He just spouts what you like to hear and that makes you happy. No harm there, but I still stick by my opinion. The guy sucked as a VJ, even before he sucked as a comedian. His type of sarcastic criticism is found in most comedians who don't really have anything funny to say.

He appeals to young uninformed lemmings that choose a political side by what looks cool to them, not based on any true basis of knowledge.

Just because Stewart claims he uses true facts doesn't mean he does. Folks like yourself claim networks like FOX news lie, yet when study after study has shown that the true bias lies in the likes of the New York Times, NBC, and CNN.
It is documented and based on factual studies. Fools like Ed Schultz spout their opinion with no concern about the truth of the facts. He and Rachel Maddow, would not exist on TV if not for their very small but dwindling audience. They are like shock jocks on the radio. They make outrageous claims, and repeat them until they find someone stupid enough to believe them.

Yes

Guys like Hannity and Beck fit this mold. But most that bash them, take the word of the equally bias talking heads on the other sides. That's what gets me. I don't follow either, but have seen their shows, and Hannity is their equivalent, but most of what Beck said, when I saw it was fact based, although he tends to over emphasize a bit too much.


When I studied journalism in school, it was always about the ..who, when, where, and how. The why was left to the individual. Present facts without opinion, and leave it at that

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That line of thinking is an ancient artifact.

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And this is the problem.

Calling FOX worse than CNN or MSNBC is absurd.

You can still find accurate reporting in the foreign press, but folks like you will still claim it is skewed because it doesn't fit your agenda.

I see that you are upset that Muslim radicals are not being given the same treatment as Christian radicals.

I agree with this. I think Muslim radicals should get EXACTLY the same treatment from our government as Christian radicals have received.

Like at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Shoot their dog. Shoot their wives while holding their babies. Kill their children. Then burn their house to the ground.

Would that be fair and impartial enough to satisfy you?

Anyone equating what is going on to McCarthyism, simply does not understand McCarthyism. Like comparing a bottle rocket to a moon shot.

What is similar is that in both cases, there is a real, actual danger that is being overlooked by many who are so afraid of offending anyone that they will disregard their own safety.