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i claim BS that you have read mein kampf, the bible, and the quran.
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LOL! to be fair it's possible... I have read mein kampf and *much* of the bible ... (there are a couple books of poetry and stuff that I have just shied away from ... like psalms ..) and I'm only 24 ... I could probably get through the quran if I decided too in a legitimate amount of time even if I only read a bit each day
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Speaking of being enslaved, I read an article the other day that there are more black men in the prison system now (in prison, on parole, etc) than there were black slaves in this country in 1850... so your thought of "if you do the crime, just shut up and do the time" isn't working to fix the problem.
As much as I am 100% certain that applying Christian principles would keep almost all of these people from ending up in prison (or back in prison), I am also sure that mandating Christian reading is unconstitutional... I am however aware of the need to get creative with rehabbing prisoners.
The current criminal system disproportionately targets African Americans. Yo are aware of this. Whenever a person goes missing the suspect oftentimes is listed as African American. When that woman murdered her children she originally claimed a black man stole her car with her children inside.
Certain drugs have been given harsher sentences. Having crack cocaine (which is disproportionately used in Black neighborhoods) offenders recieving harsher sentences than regular cocaine users targets a specific minority. You are aware of the issue of DWB's (Driving While Black).
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unintelligent, ignorant, hogwash
So, if you decline to do this "Christian" activity you are released? Doesn't look like it to me. Looks like you get the sentence.
Are you that stubborn? The sentence was community service. Now the Judge gave them a secondary option that was not required, the book report.
In any other court, it would have been community service and that's it. not sure about you, but 2-3 hours to read a book and and hour or so to write a report in the comfort of my home, is a heck of a lot better than 40 hrs community service. but if they want to argue, fine. Easy option removed from table, do the service.
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yeah, but since you are 24, i am sure you remember the days where nerds would stand in the hall way at school talking about marx's concept of man like they read it cover to cover but really, they did not know what they heck they were talking about.
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haha yeah you're right. Spark notes did get me through a few classes though ... but it's funny that I actually care about legitimate knowledge now that I'm out of college ...
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i claim BS that you have read mein kampf, the bible, and the quran.
I have and I have each in my possession. Mein Kampf I bought at a local fair (it is an old 60's version). The Quran I bought at a college bookstore (the writer had a Fatwa put on his head because it is written in English as opposed to Arabic) and the Bible is the one I was given as a child. I have read each one, the cool thing about the Bible as opposed to the others though is the fact that it has maps in it. I always liked maps - so naturally I took an interest in it.
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me too. once i graduated, everything hit me like a ton of bricks. i need to learn everything. check out the stuff you should know podcast. you can find it on itunes. it's like spark notes for how every day things work.
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i claim BS that you have read mein kampf, the bible, and the quran.
I have and I have each in my possession. Mein Kampf I bought at a local fair (it is an old 60's version). The Quran I bought at a college bookstore (the writer had a Fatwa put on his head because it is written in English as opposed to Arabic) and the Bible is the one I was given as a child. I have read each one, the cool thing about the Bible as opposed to the others though is the fact that it has maps in it. I always liked maps - so naturally I took an interest in it.
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You sir are no atheist.
You claim to have no religion....but you do.
You claim not to worship any all knowing deity....but you do.
You don't even realize it.
Sure, you don't have a church or temple that go to or pray in.... But you worship just the same. You have the same exacting faith.
Who is this all knowing deity? This deity to "correct the problems with mankind" . This deity that is "is meant to serve man" . This deity whose "sole responsibility...is to take care of its" followers. Who is this deity, that others will argue, does not or cannot exist????
It is your conception of Government. Your idea that government can fix everything, show everyone how to live, and eliminate the bad parts of society. And you are just as devout to that mythical idea as any Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or what have you,are to their religion.
No sir....you are no atheist. You have a God.....and Government be thine name.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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Would certainly explain why he's so angry, pious, judgemental and bigotted against people of other beliefs ... I mean, cause only people of an organized religion do that kind of stuff. 
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Great, state-sponsored religion.
What is this judge going to do next? I know, he's going to tell all non-Christians that in order to avoid jail sentences they must convert or face the consequences!
Psalm 14:1 NKJV
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his heart,“ There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good.
You know if I'm wrong and their is no God, what's going to happen when I die.
If you're wrong and there is a God, what's going to happen when you die.
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you know what a person's words/claims on the internet mean? nothing
Well, I know that I do own them. So, you can rest assured. If I saw I own copies of them, I own copies of them. I do not need to prove that I own them because I already know that I do own them.
Just as you claim that you are a fan of the Buckeyes. What proof do you have that you are a fan of the Buckeyes? None. You can post a picture of yourself in a Buckeye jersey. But, that doesn't mean you didn't just go and find a picture of some random guy in a Buckeye jersey.
Why you would go to such extents to prove that you are a Buckey fan, I'll never know. But, when I say I own copies of those books you can take it or leave it. You don't believe me, fine. But, I will not feed your paranoia.
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small difference - i dont care if people THINK i am a buckeyes fan or not. now, they can assume and i am sure they do, but if they dont believe i am a buckeyes fan, i dont get all bent out of shape. i dont even try to make them believe. it is what it is
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i claim BS that you have read mein kampf, the bible, and the quran.
That would not be an impossible task.I was forced to read the Bible growing up.I read Hitler's book,to try to understand why my first wife hates me so badly,she being of the Arian race.I attempted to read the quaran,but some low life christian snuck up behind me and set it on fire.Now I got some wild-eyed crazy men chasing me around trying to kill me.As if it's all my fault.
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i claim BS that you have read mein kampf, the bible, and the quran.
That would not be an impossible task.I was forced to read the Bible growing up.I read Hitler's book,to try to understand why my first wife hates me so badly,she being of the Arian race.I attempted to read the quaran,but some low life christian snuck up behind me and set it on fire.Now I got some wild-eyed crazy men chasing me around trying to kill me.As if it's all my fault.
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i claim BS that you have read mein kampf, the bible, and the quran.
That would not be an impossible task.I was forced to read the Bible growing up.I read Hitler's book,to try to understand why my first wife hates me so badly,she being of the Arian race.I attempted to read the quaran,but some low life christian snuck up behind me and set it on fire.Now I got some wild-eyed crazy men chasing me around trying to kill me.As if it's all my fault.
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You sir are no atheist.
You claim to have no religion....but you do.
You claim not to worship any all knowing deity....but you do.
You don't even realize it.
Sure, you don't have a church or temple that go to or pray in.... But you worship just the same. You have the same exacting faith.
Who is this all knowing deity? This deity to "correct the problems with mankind" . This deity that is "is meant to serve man" . This deity whose "sole responsibility...is to take care of its" followers. Who is this deity, that others will argue, does not or cannot exist????
It is your conception of Government. Your idea that government can fix everything, show everyone how to live, and eliminate the bad parts of society. And you are just as devout to that mythical idea as any Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or what have you,are to their religion.
No sir....you are no atheist. You have a God.....and Government be thine name.
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....The sole responsibility of a government is to take care of its citizens. Whether it is protecting them with a military force, to universal healthcare, or an education....
I believe the sole purpose of a government is to assure us the freedom to take care of our own damn selves.
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....The sole responsibility of a government is to take care of its citizens. Whether it is protecting them with a military force, to universal healthcare, or an education....
I believe the sole purpose of a government is to assure us the freedom to take care of our own damn selves.
I do too.
But for charlie, that's a scary thought. Much easier to rely on others, tax the hell out of those that work in order to take care of him..........living with his parents, not working much, but still wanting - the easiest way for him is to let the gov't. steal, then give to him.
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Yep. How "progressive" are we when someone who chooses to work "a few days a month" demands a free education and free healthcare....paid for by those who have to work for a living. The "meager lifestyle" he chooses to live isn't so meager when others are footing the bill. I do think he's soon going to learn what "meager" really means, though.
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Some will never learn. There will always be someone that makes more than him - even the h.s. drop out that works a minimum wage job. And he'll be griping about that person, too.
When the u.s. dollar isn't worth the paper it's printed on, perhaps then he'll realize, but I'm not sure. The policies he endorses are almost assuredly getting us to that point - especially when combined with our gov't. love of debt.
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You know if I'm wrong and their is no God, what's going to happen when I die.
If you're wrong and there is a God, what's going to happen when you die.
God was created by man out of their own fears. So, trying to play into simple fears like that will not work on me. There is no god. So, rest assured the latter will never occur. When I die I don't know what will happen. I don't pretend to know what will happen. My body will cease to be of use and who knows what will happen to "me". Nobody knows and to pretend that you do know because of religion is nonesence.
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When I die I don't know what will happen.
I've got a hunch. 
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Charlie ..... you have it backwards.
God is not about fear .... He is about life, and hope, and love.
Do men fear God? Sure ..... much like a 2 year old child who has done wrong might experience fear when his parent finds out the bad things he's done. However, like a loving parent, God forgives, as long as we believe in Him, he will welcome into His home and love for all eternity.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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But for charlie, that's a scary thought. Much easier to rely on others, tax the hell out of those that work in order to take care of him..........living with his parents, not working much, but still wanting - the easiest way for him is to let the gov't. steal, then give to him
You certainly are funny. Yea, I don't work every day. I don't have to. I am not trained for many of the job offers that come my way. So, naturally I have no choice but to decline them. So, next time know what you are talking about before you ASSume. You act like I sit here wanting millions of dollars. I don't want a dime from millionaires. I want millionaires and billionaires money to go where it is needed - to provide for the working poor. Am I the working poor? No. I'm the so-called Middle Class.
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Charlie ..... you have it backwards.
God is not about fear .... He is about life, and hope, and love.
Do men fear God? Sure ..... much like a 2 year old child who has done wrong might experience fear when his parent finds out the bad things he's done. However, like a loving parent, God forgives, as long as we believe in Him, he will welcome into His home and love for all eternity.
More like God is the boogeyman that parents use to scare children into submission. If you don't do _____ then God will punish you. Etc.... You can easily replace God with the Monster in the closet or under their bed.
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More like God is the boogeyman that parents use to scare children into submission. If you don't do _____ then God will punish you. Etc.... You can easily replace God with the Monster in the closet or under their bed.
Wow. That's sure not how my parents taught me about God, and certainly not how I teach my son about him. Maybe that's where you get your twisted thoughts about Christianity.
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I feel so sorry for you .... that all you can see if fear, and hate, and all of the bad things you have associated with God, and have not experienced His love, and the peace His love offers.
It does not mean that nothing bad will ever happen to those who believe ...... as God has many purposes for His creation. It does mean that God gives us the ability to handle those bad things, and the ability to face whatever comes with strength, courage, and faith.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Wow. That's sure not how my parents taught me about God, and certainly not how I teach my son about him. Maybe that's where you get your twisted thoughts about Christianity.
No. Religion is a lie told to people to keep them down.
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Wow. That's sure not how my parents taught me about God, and certainly not how I teach my son about him. Maybe that's where you get your twisted thoughts about Christianity.
No. Religion is a lie told to people to keep them down.
To keep them down? Dude, Christianity lifts me up.
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You certainly are funny. Yea, I don't work every day. I don't have to. I am not trained for many of the job offers that come my way. So, naturally I have no choice but to decline them. So, next time know what you are talking about before you ASSume. You act like I sit here wanting millions of dollars. I don't want a dime from millionaires. I want millionaires and billionaires money to go where it is needed - to provide for the working poor. Am I the working poor? No. I'm the so-called Middle Class.
If you're not a comic, you ought to look into becoming one. You "aren't trained for the job offers that come your way.."???? Like people are knocking on your door asking for you to work for them? Give me a break. And you "have to turn them down"???
I would think it's more like "I haven't had a job offer since 2005 - and even back then, they wanted me to show up to work, full time. Why would I do that when I can sponge off my parents and still get a check from the gubmint."
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Wow. That's sure not how my parents taught me about God, and certainly not how I teach my son about him. Maybe that's where you get your twisted thoughts about Christianity.
No. Religion is a lie told to people to keep them down.
To keep them down? Dude, Christianity lifts me up.
Same here. Some of our best times as a family are when we go to Church, then dinner and a drive on a sunny Sunday afternoon.
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You know if I'm wrong and their is no God, what's going to happen when I die.
If you're wrong and there is a God, what's going to happen when you die.
God was created by man out of their own fears. So, trying to play into simple fears like that will not work on me. There is no god. So, rest assured the latter will never occur. When I die I don't know what will happen. I don't pretend to know what will happen. My body will cease to be of use and who knows what will happen to "me". Nobody knows and to pretend that you do know because of religion is nonesence.
I'm not trying to work anything on you. There is no way to talk sense into a self proclaimed atheist and I would never try. When my parents died when I was 20 and 23 and was not yet a Christian he helped me when I had no one to turn too. There is no doubt in my mind there is a God. When you love him he lets you know He's here because you can feel him. While this may be funny to you, everyone on this board that knows God knows what I mean. All I have to do is look at my wife and kids and I know he gave them to me and if he so choose he will take them away. He is still God and I will still follow and to use your words, FEAR him because life without God ain't worth living. Hopefully one day you will wake up and understand this but I doubt it because even before I was a Christian I believed he was there so through my tough years he helped me because I believed in him, ask for his help and he helped me and guided my life to where I am now.
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No. Religion is a lie told to people to keep them down.
One more thing. what exactly does religion keep a person down from doing. I've been thinking about that statement and just can't figure out what you are talking about....
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One more thing. what exactly does religion keep a person down from doing. I've been thinking about that statement and just can't figure out what you are talking about....
It keeps them from enjoying life to its fullest due to its dogmatic view and it also keeps them from improving their lot in life because they believe that whatever happens in this life they will be rewarded. So, they become complacent.
Prime example, if Christians believe that dying brings them one step closer to "Jesus" will they be afraid of death? If they found out that if they didn't take action life as they know it ended tomorrow - would they do anything to prevent it?
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One more thing. what exactly does religion keep a person down from doing. I've been thinking about that statement and just can't figure out what you are talking about....
It keeps them from enjoying life to its fullest due to its dogmatic view and it also keeps them from improving their lot in life because they believe that whatever happens in this life they will be rewarded. So, they become complacent.
Prime example, if Christians believe that dying brings them one step closer to "Jesus" will they be afraid of death? If they found out that if they didn't take action life as they know it ended tomorrow - would they do anything to prevent it?
And this comes from a guy that claims to have read the Bible, Quran, and who knows what other religious texts.
Your really clueless on what Christians believe and do, and how they interact with the community. Your a closed minded individual with no concept of real life outside your own imaginary world.
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It keeps them from enjoying life to its fullest due to its dogmatic view and it also keeps them from improving their lot in life because they believe that whatever happens in this life they will be rewarded. So, they become complacent.
gotta disagree. You can't suggest that the way that you would want to enjoy life is the way that everyone should enjoy it. Some people have satisfaction in following a moral code and denying what they refer to as sin. Others decide to pursue it. You can't say one group is wrong because they abstain from something. Nor can you assert that people become complacent in religion. I thought I brought this very point up a day or two ago when I referenced the parable of the three servants receiving bags of gold (or was it talents) and how their master was upset that the one who received the least didn't do anything with it.
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Prime example, if Christians believe that dying brings them one step closer to "Jesus" will they be afraid of death? If they found out that if they didn't take action life as they know it ended tomorrow - would they do anything to prevent it?
Now you're suggesting two different things in two sentences. Just because someone doesn't FEAR death doesn't mean that they pursue it. I don't fear being in a fight because I was trained and I'm a larger more physically fit guy. It doesn't mean that I seek out trouble or that I won't try to solve problems with my head and being calm first.
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One more thing. what exactly does religion keep a person down from doing. I've been thinking about that statement and just can't figure out what you are talking about....
It keeps them from enjoying life to its fullest due to its dogmatic view and it also keeps them from improving their lot in life because they believe that whatever happens in this life they will be rewarded. So, they become complacent.
Prime example, if Christians believe that dying brings them one step closer to "Jesus" will they be afraid of death? If they found out that if they didn't take action life as they know it ended tomorrow - would they do anything to prevent it?
My quality of life is 10 times what it was before I became a Christian
You clearly have a twisted view on Christianity. Why you spend so much time trying to explain something you clearly know nothing about is what amaze me. If I was an atheist I would never waste my time as you do. When I was a teenage I had a good friend who claimed to be an atheist. I was not a Christian than but I believed in God. He never once made comments such as you make about how believing in God is a waste of time or how it keeps you down. He just went on with his life.
One other thing. You are right. I am not afraid to die. I believe better things are waiting for me after this life but that doesn't miean I want to die. I would fight for my life and the life of my family at any moment. How a person goes through life without a belief in something better is beyond me.
As I said. You claim to know so much about the Bible but you clearly know nothing about the subject. Atheists spend so much time doing everything they can to take the rights away from Christians I just don't understand why they don't mind their own business.
Like the subject of this thread in the first place. The judge was just giving the people in front of him a choice. They could take it or leave it. I personally would have left it because anything other then the Bible is man made. I would have done my time in jail and moved on. You on the other hand was crying about how you were going to get screwed because you didn't think it was fair.
Again,difference between a Christian and an atheist. Christian excepts the consequence,atheist looks for reason to complain
I'm done. I will be making no more comments. Thanks to all that made comments on this post. I don't start many threads. It was nice to hear other opinions
The Views Expressed By Me Are Not Necessarily The Views That You Will Agree With, I'm In My Own Little World But They Know Me Here.
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