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canadadawg is on the clock for Indy, I believe he went on the clock at 11:04am. So can we talk about there pick, I won't because I'm next up.

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Yeah, seems like a total BB guy to me as the Patriots hold intelligence in a much higher regard over athleticism.




How do we know Aldon Smith isn't intelligent? Belichick also values toughness and Smith played on a busted leg all of last year.

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Really? And where is Carimi supposed to play? Over 11+mil$ LT Long or 5+mil$ RT Carey?....makes no sense at all




Bingo.

I'm assuming Carey would move over to guard. Pouncey or Ingram would have been the best choice there. Especially when you remember that both Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams are both likely to be gone.

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Ingram over Pouncey, Solder, and Watkins?

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If anyone is interested in trading up to #25, PM me - Seattle could be interested in trading down up to 10 or 15 spots

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If it comes down to it I think Indy goes Solder.
And anyone can PM me their board. I'm working on the computer all day so there's no reason I wouldn't be able to check in every now and then.

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I agree with that.

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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT - Bears trade the 29th pick to the Packers for the 32nd pick and the 129th (4th round) PLUS Clay Matthews.

1. Carolina (2-14) - 214dawg -- QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Denver (4-12) - wojo_dew DT/DE Marcel Dareus, Alabama -- via proxy
3. Buffalo (4-12) - CleveSteve --DE JJ Watt, Wisconsin
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Tubby_Dawg--QB Cam Newton, Auburn
5. Arizona (5-11) - cfrs15---------------OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland (5-11) - hotbyoungturk - CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
7. San Francisco (6-10) 4yikes2yoshi0 - DE Robert Quinn, UNC
8. Tennessee (6-10) no_logo_required - DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
9. Dallas (6-10) moon - OT, Tyron Smith, USC
10. Washington (6-10) vadawgfan07 - WR A.J. Green, Georgia.
11. Houston (6-10) - lampdogg - CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
12. Minnesota (6-10) Chinchilla7222 - DE Daquan Bowers, Clemson
13. Detroit (6-10)............ ClayM57 - OT Anthony Castonzo Boston College
14. St. Louis (7-9) Heldawg - WR Julio Jones, Alabama
15. Miami (7-9) - Delray85 - OT Gabe Carimi Wisconsin
16. Jacksonville (8-8) - 214dawg - DE Cameron Jordan California
17. New England - via-Oak (8-8) - Cleveland_clutch - DE/OLB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
18. San Diego (9-7) - ChargerDawg - DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
19. New York Giants (10-6) - PeteyDanger - RB Mark Ingram
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) - vadawgfan07 - DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
21. Kansas City* (10-6) - hiro Derek Sherrod OL Mississippi St
22. Indianapolis* (10-6) - canadadawg
23. Philadelphia* (10-6) - Frenchy
24. New Orleans* (11-5) - Browns Lifer
25. Seattle* (7-9) - clwb419
26. Baltimore* (12-4) - BradAzz
27. Atlanta* (13-3) - Chinchilla7222
28. New England* (14-2) - Cleveland_clutch
29. Green Bay* (10-6) - BUCKEYED11
30. New York Jets* (11-5) - PeteyDanger
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Tubby Dawg
32. Chicago* (11-5) - Punchsmack

Ok, Clay wasn't involved. The rest is true.


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dang, i really wanted to get rid of Clay

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Ingram over Pouncey, Solder, and Watkins?




Yes, Solder looks like a tackle. What I was looking for would be a Center or Guard. I don't think Pouncey will be as good as his brother (doesn't mean he'll be bad). And I don't think Watkins is at that level.

I really just don't know of any RB in this draft who will be anywhere near as good as Mark Ingram for the New York Giants. Good instincts, good power, proven RB. I think I have a better shot of finding any O-Linemen in FA or later in the draft (while still looking for LB, DT, CB, and TE).

I think Ingram is gonna be a stud


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I disagree. I like Leshoure in the 2nd much more than Ingram in the 1st. Heck, I like Delone Carter in the 5th better than Ingram in the 1st. You don't draft a RB in the 1st round unless they have 'special' talent and I personally don't see that level in Ingram.


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And the Giants have literally no need for a running back. Bradshaw and Jacobs are both under contract and are a very good one-two punch.

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And the Giants have literally no need for a running back. Bradshaw and Jacobs are both under contract and are a very good one-two punch.




Watching them both, I dissagree.

I don't care what statistics say, Brandon Jacobs is definitely on his way down. He's a selfish jerk who really isn't as good as he thinks he is.

Ahmad Bradshaw is a good RB, but not an every down back. He won't last. Mark Ingram is a perfect RB for Ahmad Bradshaw to work off of.

Then they can get rid of Brandon Jacobs who is inconsistent, constantly gets hurt, and whines like a little baby


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I think you are correct in that they would like to get rid of Jacobs if they can. However, there are alot of big 1-cut RBs in this draft. I gave 3 examples and the rounds they might be available in.

I think the Giants would be better getting other talent in the 1st (OC, OLB, DT, CB) and focusing on RB later.


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as talented as the Giants backfield MAY be... I see Ingram coming in right away and starting...

Some of you listen too much to the draft experts, and don't pay enought attention to tape...


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I think time is up for Indy. Votes? I have a selection coming so I'm not voting.

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I don't think Ingram is a bad player at all. There are just bigger needs for that team and players whose talents are on par with Ingram (Watkins, Pouncey, Solder, Liuget, Smith) are available and can fill those needs.

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I think time is up for Indy. Votes? I have a selection coming so I'm not voting.




I vote for Corey Liuget, DT Illinois


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I still say Solder.

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I'd like to help....but since I'm coming up, I can't suggest anything.

Well, I could suggest taking a punter. Ryan Donahue from Iowa. That's my vote.



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I'm coming up too so I shouldn't comment. But... Peyton's a dad to twins now, so I think he might be thinking retirement. I'd go QB here. Mallet would be good I think.


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I still say Solder.




hiro said the same thing earlier - per our rules - this is the 2nd vote for Solder, it is a done deal if Indy's time is up

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Who's going to take the initiative? lol

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Frenchy is on the clock.

1. Carolina (2-14) - 214dawg -- QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Denver (4-12) - wojo_dew DT/DE Marcel Dareus, Alabama -- via proxy
3. Buffalo (4-12) - CleveSteve --DE JJ Watt, Wisconsin
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Tubby_Dawg--QB Cam Newton, Auburn
5. Arizona (5-11) - cfrs15---------------OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland (5-11) - hotbyoungturk - CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
7. San Francisco (6-10) 4yikes2yoshi0 - DE Robert Quinn, UNC
8. Tennessee (6-10) no_logo_required - DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
9. Dallas (6-10) moon - OT, Tyron Smith, USC
10. Washington (6-10) vadawgfan07 - WR A.J. Green, Georgia.
11. Houston (6-10) - lampdogg - CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
12. Minnesota (6-10) Chinchilla7222 - DE Daquan Bowers, Clemson
13. Detroit (6-10)............ ClayM57 - OT Anthony Castonzo Boston College
14. St. Louis (7-9) Heldawg - WR Julio Jones, Alabama
15. Miami (7-9) - Delray85 - OT Gabe Carimi Wisconsin
16. Jacksonville (8-8) - 214dawg - DE Cameron Jordan California
17. New England - via-Oak (8-8) - Cleveland_clutch - DE/OLB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
18. San Diego (9-7) - ChargerDawg - DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
19. New York Giants (10-6) - PeteyDanger - RB Mark Ingram
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) - vadawgfan07 - DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
21. Kansas City* (10-6) - hiro Derek Sherrod OL Mississippi St
22. Indianapolis* (10-6) - canadadawg - OT Nate Solder, Colorado -- via proxy
23. Philadelphia* (10-6) - Frenchy
24. New Orleans* (11-5) - Browns Lifer
25. Seattle* (7-9) - clwb419
26. Baltimore* (12-4) - BradAzz
27. Atlanta* (13-3) - Chinchilla7222
28. New England* (14-2) - Cleveland_clutch
29. Green Bay* (10-6) - BUCKEYED11
30. New York Jets* (11-5) - PeteyDanger
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Tubby Dawg
32. Chicago* (11-5) - Punchsmack

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Frenchy went to work but sent me his list. I didn't want to chime in on the Indy selection because option 1 on his list was Sherrod and option 2 was Solder.

With the 23rd pick of the 2011 NFL draft, Philadelphia selects Ben Ijalana, OL, Villanova

1. Carolina (2-14) - 214dawg -- QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Denver (4-12) - wojo_dew DT/DE Marcel Dareus, Alabama -- via proxy
3. Buffalo (4-12) - CleveSteve --DE JJ Watt, Wisconsin
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Tubby_Dawg--QB Cam Newton, Auburn
5. Arizona (5-11) - cfrs15---------------OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland (5-11) - hotbyoungturk - CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
7. San Francisco (6-10) 4yikes2yoshi0 - DE Robert Quinn, UNC
8. Tennessee (6-10) no_logo_required - DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
9. Dallas (6-10) moon - OT, Tyron Smith, USC
10. Washington (6-10) vadawgfan07 - WR A.J. Green, Georgia.
11. Houston (6-10) - lampdogg - CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
12. Minnesota (6-10) Chinchilla7222 - DE Daquan Bowers, Clemson
13. Detroit (6-10)............ ClayM57 - OT Anthony Castonzo Boston College
14. St. Louis (7-9) Heldawg - WR Julio Jones, Alabama
15. Miami (7-9) - Delray85 - OT Gabe Carimi Wisconsin
16. Jacksonville (8-8) - 214dawg - DE Cameron Jordan California
17. New England - via-Oak (8-8) - Cleveland_clutch - DE/OLB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
18. San Diego (9-7) - ChargerDawg - DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
19. New York Giants (10-6) - PeteyDanger - RB Mark Ingram
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) - vadawgfan07 - DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
21. Kansas City* (10-6) - hiro Derek Sherrod OL Mississippi St
22. Indianapolis* (10-6) - canadadawg - OT Nate Solder, Colorado -- via proxy
23. Philadelphia* (10-6) - Frenchy - OL Ben Ijalana, Villanova
24. New Orleans* (11-5) - Browns Lifer
25. Seattle* (7-9) - clwb419
26. Baltimore* (12-4) - BradAzz
27. Atlanta* (13-3) - Chinchilla7222
28. New England* (14-2) - Cleveland_clutch
29. Green Bay* (10-6) - BUCKEYED11
30. New York Jets* (11-5) - PeteyDanger
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Tubby Dawg
32. Chicago* (11-5) - Punchsmack

New Orleans is on the clock.

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and we have our first "drop your jaw" selection of this mock.


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yeah, i wanted to give him his "last resort" pick... but I think some jaws dropped when I picked Watt, so I can't be one to talk.

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yeah, i wanted to give him his "last resort" pick... but I think some jaws dropped when I picked Watt, so I can't be one to talk.




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With the 24rd pick of the 2011 NFL draft, New Orleans sprints to the podium and selects Corey Liuget, DT - Illinois

1. Carolina (2-14) - 214dawg -- QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Denver (4-12) - wojo_dew DT/DE Marcel Dareus, Alabama -- via proxy
3. Buffalo (4-12) - CleveSteve --DE JJ Watt, Wisconsin
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Tubby_Dawg--QB Cam Newton, Auburn
5. Arizona (5-11) - cfrs15---------------OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland (5-11) - hotbyoungturk - CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
7. San Francisco (6-10) 4yikes2yoshi0 - DE Robert Quinn, UNC
8. Tennessee (6-10) no_logo_required - DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
9. Dallas (6-10) moon - OT, Tyron Smith, USC
10. Washington (6-10) vadawgfan07 - WR A.J. Green, Georgia.
11. Houston (6-10) - lampdogg - CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
12. Minnesota (6-10) Chinchilla7222 - DE Daquan Bowers, Clemson
13. Detroit (6-10)............ ClayM57 - OT Anthony Castonzo Boston College
14. St. Louis (7-9) Heldawg - WR Julio Jones, Alabama
15. Miami (7-9) - Delray85 - OT Gabe Carimi Wisconsin
16. Jacksonville (8-8) - 214dawg - DE Cameron Jordan California
17. New England - via-Oak (8-8) - Cleveland_clutch - DE/OLB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
18. San Diego (9-7) - ChargerDawg - DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
19. New York Giants (10-6) - PeteyDanger - RB Mark Ingram
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) - vadawgfan07 - DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
21. Kansas City* (10-6) - hiro Derek Sherrod OL Mississippi St
22. Indianapolis* (10-6) - canadadawg - OT Nate Solder, Colorado -- via proxy
23. Philadelphia* (10-6) - Frenchy - OL Ben Ijalana, Villanova
24. New Orleans* (11-5) - Browns Lifer - DT Corey Liuget, Illlinois
25. Seattle* (7-9) - clwb419
26. Baltimore* (12-4) - BradAzz
27. Atlanta* (13-3) - Chinchilla7222
28. New England* (14-2) - Cleveland_clutch
29. Green Bay* (10-6) - BUCKEYED11
30. New York Jets* (11-5) - PeteyDanger
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Tubby Dawg
32. Chicago* (11-5) - Punchsmack

Seattle is on the clock.




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We have a trade:

cfrs15 (Cardinals) gives picks 38, 69, 133, and 166 to Seattle for picks 25 and pick 98.

Th Arizona Cardinals are now on the clock.

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Seattle traded out of the 25 spot to let a team draft a QB?

= bananas

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Updating with the traded draft picks at the bottom of the list in case we do continue this thing beyond the first 2 rounds.

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Arizona is on the clock

1. Carolina (2-14) - 214dawg -- QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Denver (4-12) - wojo_dew DT/DE Marcel Dareus, Alabama -- via proxy
3. Buffalo (4-12) - CleveSteve --DE JJ Watt, Wisconsin
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Tubby_Dawg--QB Cam Newton, Auburn
5. Arizona (5-11) - cfrs15---------------OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland (5-11) - hotbyoungturk - CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
7. San Francisco (6-10) 4yikes2yoshi0 - DE Robert Quinn, UNC
8. Tennessee (6-10) no_logo_required - DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
9. Dallas (6-10) moon - OT, Tyron Smith, USC
10. Washington (6-10) vadawgfan07 - WR A.J. Green, Georgia.
11. Houston (6-10) - lampdogg - CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
12. Minnesota (6-10) Chinchilla7222 - DE Daquan Bowers, Clemson
13. Detroit (6-10)............ ClayM57 - OT Anthony Castonzo Boston College
14. St. Louis (7-9) Heldawg - WR Julio Jones, Alabama
15. Miami (7-9) - Delray85 - OT Gabe Carimi Wisconsin
16. Jacksonville (8-8) - 214dawg - DE Cameron Jordan California
17. New England - via-Oak (8-8) - Cleveland_clutch - DE/OLB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
18. San Diego (9-7) - ChargerDawg - DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
19. New York Giants (10-6) - PeteyDanger - RB Mark Ingram
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) - vadawgfan07 - DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
21. Kansas City* (10-6) - hiro Derek Sherrod OL Mississippi St
22. Indianapolis* (10-6) - canadadawg - OT Nate Solder, Colorado -- via proxy
23. Philadelphia* (10-6) - Frenchy - OL Ben Ijalana, Villanova
24. New Orleans* (11-5) - Browns Lifer - DT Corey Liuget, Illlinois
25. Seattle* (7-9) - clwb419
26. Baltimore* (12-4) - BradAzz
27. Atlanta* (13-3) - Chinchilla7222
28. New England* (14-2) - Cleveland_clutch
29. Green Bay* (10-6) - BUCKEYED11
30. New York Jets* (11-5) - PeteyDanger
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Tubby Dawg
32. Chicago* (11-5) - Punchsmack


Bears own pick 129 (4th round) (from GB)
AZ owns pick 98 (from Seattle)
Seattle owns picks 38, 69, 133, and 166 (from AZ)






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so which QB does arizona want so bad

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good idea.

except you didn't switch in AZ for #25.

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Seattle traded out of the 25 spot to let a team draft a QB?

= bananas




Not so much...

With the 25th pick the Arizona Cardinals select...........Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame




1. Carolina (2-14) - 214dawg -- QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Denver (4-12) - wojo_dew DT/DE Marcel Dareus, Alabama -- via proxy
3. Buffalo (4-12) - CleveSteve --DE JJ Watt, Wisconsin
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Tubby_Dawg--QB Cam Newton, Auburn
5. Arizona (5-11) - cfrs15---------------OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland (5-11) - hotbyoungturk - CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
7. San Francisco (6-10) 4yikes2yoshi0 - DE Robert Quinn, UNC
8. Tennessee (6-10) no_logo_required - DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
9. Dallas (6-10) moon - OT, Tyron Smith, USC
10. Washington (6-10) vadawgfan07 - WR A.J. Green, Georgia.
11. Houston (6-10) - lampdogg - CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
12. Minnesota (6-10) Chinchilla7222 - DE Daquan Bowers, Clemson
13. Detroit (6-10)............ ClayM57 - OT Anthony Castonzo Boston College
14. St. Louis (7-9) Heldawg - WR Julio Jones, Alabama
15. Miami (7-9) - Delray85 - OT Gabe Carimi Wisconsin
16. Jacksonville (8-8) - 214dawg - DE Cameron Jordan California
17. New England - via-Oak (8-8) - Cleveland_clutch - DE/OLB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
18. San Diego (9-7) - ChargerDawg - DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
19. New York Giants (10-6) - PeteyDanger - RB Mark Ingram
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) - vadawgfan07 - DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
21. Kansas City* (10-6) - hiro Derek Sherrod OL Mississippi St
22. Indianapolis* (10-6) - canadadawg - OT Nate Solder, Colorado -- via proxy
23. Philadelphia* (10-6) - Frenchy - OL Ben Ijalana, Villanova
24. New Orleans* (11-5) - Browns Lifer - DT Corey Liuget, Illlinois
25. Arizona (5-11) - cfrs15 - TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
26. Baltimore* (12-4) - BradAzz
27. Atlanta* (13-3) - Chinchilla7222
28. New England* (14-2) - Cleveland_clutch
29. Green Bay* (10-6) - BUCKEYED11
30. New York Jets* (11-5) - PeteyDanger
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Tubby Dawg
32. Chicago* (11-5) - Punchsmack

I wanted to get ahead of Atlanta who I thought could take Rudolph as an eventual replacement for Tony Gonzalez. ALso, I think the Cardinals are more likely to sign or trade for a veteran QB (Bulger, Palmer, Kolb, Orton etc.) once those types of moves are allowed.

With that the Baltimore Ravens and BradAzz are on the clock....

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Well that makes me about 0-10 so far on this thread!

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Seattle traded out of the 25 spot to let a team draft a QB?

= bananas




I knew who he was going after...though if he wanted Mallet, I'd still have done the deal

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Good pickup! Kyle Rudolph is a sleeper on my list.

He was an option for the Giants, but I thought 19 was a little too early. I decided Ingram would be a more impact full player. Although you seem to disagree


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we should do 2nd round too


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