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If anybody here successfully declares the success rate of this draft while it is still friggin' going on, then they're a genius.
Come on folks, there's glass half full and glass half empty. But then there's glass all the way empty and shattered w/ the shards caught in your throat.
The team got better today and we won't be able to tell how much better for years to come.
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In the press conference going on right now, Heckert just commented "we will see when the CBA is settled" about Vickers and his RFA status ... I guess it's all up in the air now with the lockout back on.
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If anybody here successfully declares the success rate of this draft while it is still friggin' going on, then they're a genius.
Come on folks, there's glass half full and glass half empty. But then there's glass all the way empty and shattered w/ the shards caught in your throat.
The team got better today and we won't be able to tell how much better for years to come.
Let's also not forget that free agency hasn't even started yet and moving down in the 1st saved us a lot of cash to approach FA with.
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In finding tough guys, or finding big guys, we did well In offensive production or guys who score alot of points, we did poorly. In that 2nd category we were out drafted by the Bengals with AJ Green alone. These tough guys, and big guys, They'll just have to coach them how to score points.  I should feel better, because like a visit to the dentist, at least this draft is over !  leaving one pick, Imo, seek a DE/OLb, or ilb, or Fs, We don't need another Carlton Mitchell , we have Haggerty , well Unless? he can stretch the field?
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I love this Mary Kay quote from Heckert.
Browns GM Tom Heckert on whole Browns draft: "these are the guys we really wanted and we're really, really excited about it.''
What else is he going to say, "Well we got a few we wanted, and Pinkston we took because everyone else on the board sucked and he just sucked less in our opinion"!
I mean c'mon, how about some real reporting...
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Did anyone else see that the Pats and Ravens just flat out swapped picks? They apparently traded the 193 for the 194 straight up according to the announcers .. and I don't know if anything else was included? What's that about? Especially because we are only on the 160's
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If anybody here successfully declares the success rate of this draft while it is still friggin' going on, then they're a genius.
Come on folks, there's glass half full and glass half empty. But then there's glass all the way empty and shattered w/ the shards caught in your throat.
The team got better today and we won't be able to tell how much better for years to come.
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Did anyone else see that the Pats and Ravens just flat out swapped picks? They apparently traded the 193 for the 194 straight up according to the announcers .. and I don't know if anything else was included? What's that about? Especially because we are only on the 160's
Just heard Sheffty say they traded because they have traded every year since 2000, The streak continues..... 
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Did anyone else see that the Pats and Ravens just flat out swapped picks? They apparently traded the 193 for the 194 straight up according to the announcers .. and I don't know if anything else was included? What's that about? Especially because we are only on the 160's
Just heard Sheffty say they traded because they have traded every year since 2000, The streak continues.....
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This draft was terrible. Awful. I'm defintely starting a tirade thread when it's finished.    
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C'mon, it wasn't that bad. You can't say that this team didn't improve these past two days---at least on paper. I like that we went about it getting the guys that aren't all the sexy bs picks that espn loves. Instead we got a lot of talent that will develop under the radar---I like that a lot.
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Well I understand the concern. I suppose this year is a bit different as we will actually have free agency after the draft to fill in a "need" at either safety or dend or whatever ...
Personally, I hope we go the route of the Packers and not take any free agents and get younger. Packers built through the draft
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So the reason LV might be gone is because he will ask for too much money, deservedly, and we don't want to/can't pay him?
Or because he doesn't fit the WC offense? This FB draft selection has me baffled.
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Right ... I guess I meant we would have BOTH free agency AND undrafted free agency ...
Still another 70 picks or so, so I know there is a lot of guys that will be gone. BUT, I really think that there is a lot of talent left on this board ... not sure if we go the T. Tayor / G. McElroy route or we do try to pick up another project player instead.
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I thought we had a pretty good day. the TE i question frankly because Stucker was a more developed tight end but he fits Heckerts Home Run rating system. With Moore and his injury and age creeping up on watson, it was an understandable pickup. He is big fast and can catch. Marecic is a beast and we are a better team with him on our roster. Marecic and Hillis = damn did u see that umm stuff  Vickers is a free agent and was banged up a lot last year. The position is still sound. Skrine I know is fast about it. Jauron is a good db coach so hopefully he will be able to get the most out of this kid. Pinkston was a steal in the 5th, i thought he was a mid to late 3rd rounder. Very little difference between him and Gilbert from Florida that Pitt took. Should be able to start at RG or RT in the near future. Well worth 2 six round picks
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Vickers spoke out against Mangini being fired. I suspect that he was gone pretty much at that moment.
This new FB doesn't look like an upgrade ..... and it's especially ugly having used a 4th round pick on him.
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I have a few doubts as well. BUT, several things to keep in mind. I felt this was a weak draft class and we have no idea how FA is going to work out. If we get Kiwanuka in FA.. my my..
I think we DID go for future potential. One last thing.. the 1st next year and that extra 4th is going to make a difference.
We cannot make this draft all about this year. While we keep our eye on the ball it's wise to keep the future in mind. We lost a lot of games last year and we had / have a lot of holes.
Sainter...Ytown...
The very first thing we MUST consider here is this...We have been bred to have Free Agency B4 any draft...And what do u do in FA???...Fill as many if not ALL needs B4 the draft...Others who aren't as old as our sorry asses know nothing but that... 
Now we're sitting here witnessing this backassward...It SUX 4 sure...
Secondly...And this is and always has been MY OPINION...The first THREE rounds of any draft r those that produce your most highly successful players...It's what dictates the REAL teams from the pretenders...Fourth round and beyond is highly nothing but developmental players who have a HIGH risk of never being anything in this league if not OUT OF IT within 3 years...
And I know all about Brady and 7th rounders and UDFA's across Offensive Lines...The fact still remains that your BEST high percentage chance of STARTERS comes from the 1st 3 rounds...Those r the picks u wanna HIT...Consider yourself lucky if u hit on ONE player after round 3 yearly...
Did we have a 3rd this year???...No...But we turned that 3 into another 2...ALL 3 of our first 3 picks r potential STUDS...Or at least long-term contributors...At a high level...
Every year...Every teams fans will have ??????? about picks in 4 thru 7...To me it's a natural occurence...99% of us...No...Let's make that 100% of us...Know very little if anything about these what used to be 2nd day picks (I HATE THIS NEW CRAP)...
There's over 300 players every year hoping they can make it to the NFL...And many of us think we're NFL GM's and can break down and put a board together for players outside of the top 100...That makes me LMAO every year...That is why u get the same old BS every single year...I LOVE this pick and I HATE this pick...Wanna Be Gm's r a JOKE...
Don't question the picks...Talk about em' and debate em'???...Sure...But u gotta TRUST the guys who make the decisions based on 15 PLUS guys they have scouring the country all year long...And the year B4 looking at these guys LIVE...And then breaking down film NONE of us r privy 2...
We're talking Scouts...Position Coaches...Coordinators...Head Coaches...GM's...Presidents looking at these guys...Including their past history...Just ake it in stride after round 3...UNLESS...
We were dumb enuff to take a Christian Ponder at 12...lmao...I'd hate to be a Minny fan Thursday evening...I wouldn't doubt some r hanging in there collective closets still...
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It's disgusting that there are still 3 startable safeties left (sash, McDaniel, Johnson) and we just used both of our 6ths for a RG when we just drafted a RG in the third last year. Pinkston looked bad as a tackle at the senior bowl. Not athletic enough at all. He might start at RT for us eventually, but that doesn't make him good. It just means we're that bad over there.
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Solid, level headed post. I agree 100%. First three rounds were solid, AND needs. Last four rounds you just take what you can get and hope it turns out ok.
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at the end of the day we got
Starting defensive tackle
Starting defensive end
Starting wide receiver or soon will be
freakishly athletic TE and hopefully a future starter
starting fullback
backup CB
future starter OG/OT
Thats a good draft.
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Vickers spoke out against Mangini being fired. I suspect that he was gone pretty much at that moment.
So we get rid of a borderline pro bowl fullback because he was upset Mangini was fired? Doesn't that seem a bit excessive? We don't exactly have a wealth of talent on offense to be dumping over hurt feelings.
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It's disgusting that there are still 3 startable safeties left (sash, McDaniel, Johnson) and we just used both of our 6ths for a RG when we just drafted a RG in the third last year. Pinkston looked bad as a tackle at the senior bowl. Not athletic enough at all. He might start at RT for us eventually, but that doesn't make him good. It just means we're that bad over there.
We're going to need a left guard in the near future since Pinkston played left tackle, maybe left guard is better then right
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Who would have thought the 7th round, 227th overall selection of the 2008 draft would grace the cover of Madden?
In the right scheme, with the right coaching, any of these picks can make it and at the very least be productive for our team.
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No ... we got rid of a guy that we don't want to be a cancer in the locker room who might not fit our system. Plus ... when you consider that the game is a passing game, the I-formation fullback might not be on the field for more than 25 to 30% of all plays ... especially when you consider we will be in the west coast offense. Picking up a versatile fullback might end up being a pretty good deal overall.
Vickers is 6'0 250. Marecic is 6'1 and 245 to almost 250 ... he could be a bigger blocker than Vickers by the time that the season starts.
By the way, we also got younger. Marecic is 22. Vickers will be 28 in about 10 days. If we are trying to compete in the next 2 to 3 years for the division ... do you really want to trust a fullback who is going to be 30 or 31 to take a beating? It's another part of the youth movement.
And who ever even said that he WAS gone ... there is still a small chance that he could be back.
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Just trying to get informed, I didn't know he didn't want to be here/would be a problem in the locker room. I guess no one said he was gone, there was speculation ealier in this thread.
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Vickers was a cancer? Are you kidding me?
Players on the team said they LOVED vickers. He was an emotional leader.
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imho its probably one of those situations where we knew he wasnt going to sign with us for under a certain amount so we went out and drafted a cheaper version. pretty much what we did with rogers
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we got rid of a guy that we don't want to be a cancer
Didn't say he would be one. Just understood that he did speak out about Mangini.
Don't forget that Jamal Lewis was loved by the players and was one of the best leaders ... then started to speak out about mangini and said they were worked too hard.
Not saying he was bad, but I don't know if he wasn't upset either? I liked him by the way .. but if we move on then it won't be huge - all things considered.
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Great post DnD. I will add however, that our 1st 4th rounder was high (102) and we should have gotten a guy who will get alot of playing time this year and will eventually be a starter. The good news is we did. I figured we would reach for need at a position like DE/CB/WR at that pick, but we didn't and got a guy who can be a very good TE in a couple of years. I also didn't mind the FB pick, because anytime you can get a day 1 starter in the 4th round that's a good pick..........regardless of position. Vickers is gone folks......the reason don't matter......he's gone, and we needed a replacement. I know jack crap about the CB we got (have never seen him play), but he does have speed to burn it appears. We also got very good value with Pinkston. A few things that stand out to me in this draft........... 1. We drafted guys with a mean streak. All of these guys are mean and have an attitude. I like that.....some may not, but I do. Bye bye choir boys...... 2. We drafted for PO on a couple of picks, because although extremely talented they are raw...........Cameron, Little, and Pinkston are raw. No one with a brain can question their talent. I think we took these guys later (Little being a low 2) in hopes that we can refine that raw talent (1st-2nd round talent mind you) and have future starters. All in all I can't complain. You guys are used to a long rant about how we screwed up the draft every year from me, but this year I think we did a hellava job. Four of these kids will start on day 1, and that is damn good in it's own right. Add that to the fact that two more of these kids have the potential to be starters in 2 years and we had an excellent draft. Screw the position and need, because we utterly lack talent and need football players. I know we walked away with 6 good football players............the CB I'll just have to trust them because I know jack about him..lol.
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It's disgusting that there are still 3 startable safeties left (sash, McDaniel, Johnson) and we just used both of our 6ths for a RG when we just drafted a RG in the third last year. Pinkston looked bad as a tackle at the senior bowl. Not athletic enough at all. He might start at RT for us eventually, but that doesn't make him good. It just means we're that bad over there.
Again...Who are YOU to determine there's 3 Starting Safeties available that late in any draft????...Please...
And there ya' r with Pinkston...A late round OL...They're scattered all over the league as starters on these lines...And u wanna say no to it for what YOU say is 3 Starting safeties this late in any draft???...That's laughable...
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.regardless of position. Vickers is gone folks......the reason don't matter.....
When you lose one of you best players on offense, it's a good idea to look at the reasons why he left. If possible, to prevent losing talent again down the road.
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Vickers was a cancer? Are you kidding me?
Players on the team said they LOVED vickers. He was an emotional leader.
I am just throwing a couple of pennies in here. Has anyone thought of Vickers can not catch a cold. Or was wearing down towards the end of the season. I am a Vickers fan, but take it for what it is worth. In the WCO you need a FB that can catch the rock, which was not Mr. Vickers strong suit.
As far as the draft, I thought we nailed the first three rounds.....
But as D.I.D pointed out basically in the fourth through the seventh it is a crapshoot or developmental.
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glad to see Brian Rolle get drafted. He's a football player pure and simple and while undersized, he doesn't miss tackles, loves the game, and may be another London Fletcher
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We don't want him apparently. We didn' tender him and basically just drafted his replacement. I don't need to know jack crap about why they don't like him/wanted to replace him as long as we got a good replacement (we did).
Vickers didn't want gone he is being shown the door.......so it has no future coorelation in keeping guys we think are talented/fit our system. Alot of people love LV (me too), but it is obvious the FO doesn't think that much of him........we will have to get over it.
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Same reaction a lot of people had when we let below average lineman Hank Fraley go ...
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Who would have thought the 7th round, 227th overall selection of the 2008 draft would grace the cover of Madden?
In the right scheme, with the right coaching, any of these picks can make it and at the very least be productive for our team.
Like your thinking! Can't quit on a kid we drafted before he even gets a playbook.
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Same thing happens every year.
Replace the tight end
Replace a really good fullback
If the Browns did lose more than they win every year, then it'd be ok
the Browns have what? 2 seasons over 50% winning percentage in the last dozen tries?
there's a kind of player I like , the Browns avoid him
vincenth brisbee, Don Bebee, Brian Brennan,
Mike Thomas, (college ariz, Jacksonville nfl, 2009, busted )
There's two or 3 in this years draft, Titus Young, Vinent Brown (sdst), and Dewayne Harris (e carolina)
It's a type of player, Wr, short, high energy, high production, small school, but a football school,
It's a type of player I like , the Browns didn't get them this year, maybe they will next pick or udfa.
Skrine will be a Positive, I bet.
If the Browns put 3/4 as much investment trying to find the perfect WR as they do trying to find the perfect Cornerback, over the last 11 years
OH My they'd have alot more Wins I bet
They are doing exactly what they did the last 7 years in drafting,
Coming off backe to back 5-11 seasons
I think it is time they start drafting the offensive skilled positions
They only hold this draft one time a year folks, and if they didn't dump the front 7 in February, there wouldn't have been the need.
It is about Touchdowns! and doggonit in two days they got Greg Little and nobody else who scores touchdowns
Whole draft, Greg Little + or - that's just not enough investment in the off skilled positions, so I'll bet the Browns are 5-11, again
Where is the big splash on offense that Holmgren talked about last week?
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the CB I'll just have to trust them because I know jack about him..lol.
EXACTLY my point...And kudos to ya' for admitting it bud...
The fact is...And this is a damn FACT...100% of us say what we say about these guys based off 3 things...
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And I LOVE the "I've seen him play" BS...I've SEEN 10,000 damn games in my life and NEVER ONCE have I ever seen a camera FULL SPEED in game situations KEYED on a collegiate Corner...Or Safety...Or WR...Or TE...Or LB dropping into coverage...
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We don't want him apparently. We didn' tender him and basically just drafted his replacement. I don't need to know jack crap about why they don't like him/wanted to replace him as long as we got a good replacement (we did).
Vickers didn't want gone he is being shown the door.......so it has no future coorelation in keeping guys we think are talented/fit our system. Alot of people love LV (me too), but it is obvious the FO doesn't think that much of him........we will have to get over it.
This one's simple...Vickers IS NOT a RB that can CATCH out of the backfield...
Good riddence...
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I live in Ole Miss country (getting my masters from Miss. St. though), and the Cheifs just got good value in Powe..............if they can keep him interested he can play. I want value in the later rounds..........screw position. The guys that are crying about not taking a saftey in the 5th round.....uggh......that's the kind of need picks we used to see Butch make. Remember the token 5-7 OL with him???
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