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Initially this is a bit quick, "we shot him . . . take our word for it" . . . I would certainly hope there will be some forensic evidence that will be made available at a later time--no doubt the conspiracy theories will fly.
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He's noting your anti-Obama bias is what is causing you and others to see "me me me, I, I, I", as it was put a few posts back, in his speech. Its not a coincidence that the people who are pointing out their perceived flaws with the speech are the ones who hate Obama the most.
First that about "anti-Obama" bias...then this about dislike for Bush
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I do know that some foreigners are very skeptical and see this as propaganda. One person told me that the timing is suspect. Obama is not doing well and he did this to improve his position in the polls. I should add she is very liberal.
I told her that there is no way he could get away with this because of our political system. The Republicans would never go along with such a farce.
I am one that isn't skeptical but I understand how many here are. Dropping the body into the sea looks suspicious. I sure hope the evidence we have is convincing, especially since we no longer have the body.
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Just some thoughts, I'd like to stay out of the political squabbling. This is definitely good news and a positive step, though I do worry about the reaction from the Muslim world in the coming weeks.
To those saying he's been a non-factor for years, I don't think we should underestimate the importance of removing bin Laden from al Qaeda. The truth is, he's never been the operational mastermind behind the organization, that's always been Ayman al-Zawahiri (the new public enemy #1). Bin Laden was always hugely important to the success of al Qaeda because of his remarkable connections and fund-raising ability. Hopefully his death will create a vacuum that no one can fill and cause some real support problems for them.
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I saw a report that said we offered the remains to Saudi Arabia and they declined.
And parading around his body is the worst thing we could do. That and provide him a burial where he can be hailed as a martyr.
He is already a martyr.
I'd just like a little more proof. Maybe it will yet come.
Well, based on what I heard (which is no more or less reliable than what everybody else is hearing at this point) we already buried him at sea. Allegedly we honored the Muslim tradition of cleaning the body, wrapping it in white cloth and burying the body with 24 hours of death.
If true I have real mixed feelings because I don't view Bin Laden as real Mulsim deserving of the traditions.. but on the other hand, there are a lot of borderline Muslims out there who don't like us that we don't need to antagonize.
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If true I have real mixed feelings because I don't view Bin Laden as real Mulsim deserving of the traditions.. but on the other hand, there are a lot of borderline Muslims out there who don't like us that we don't need to antagonize.
I agree. It's hard to think of a viable alternative, though. Apparently we offered the body to Saudi Arabia but they refused it. At that point, what do you do with it? Any traditional burial runs the risk of creating a shrine for extremists, and any protracted proceedings could have turned the thing into a media circus.
It's a bit hard to swallow, but this was probably the safest course of action.
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Well, I guess we will find out if he's already dead if we don't hear anything from him anymore.
To be honest, I wish they had some pics to "prove" it, though maybe they will release some.
I am interested to read more about the leadup to it and how it was done, though. Fascinating.
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To be honest, I wish they had some pics to "prove" it, though maybe they will release some.
I would expect photos to be released today...CNN already showed video of a bedroom in the compound, with a blood soaked carpet at the foot of the bed..you have to believe the military has video evidence as well as picture evidence.
The military has ample evidence for most non-believers...but some will never believe..that is a sad fact in America today.
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Oh, I'm sure we have photos and video of all that was done with Bin Laden's body. Will we release these images publically? Time will tell. I'm not sure it is necessary to do so, but I would suspect we might release some select images to reassure some who aren't convinced he's dead.
Al-Qaida doesn't need any confirmation. They already know he's dead. Expect a statement about martyrdom and revenge from them anytime now.
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Zawahiri is the mastermind of the org.....dude led an unsuccessful coup in Egypt at like 14 years old!!!! He was then exiled, but eventually was permitted back into Egypt when the regime eventually did fall.
He is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, and is the brains behind Al-Qaida's world strategy. He is the one who laid out the plans for a war of attrition against the United States, and he is the one who really runs the org.
Bin Laden was a voice and a face, and he had money. But beyond that, he wasn't noteworthy as a strategist or "the brains," of the group.
We basically killed their spokesman---the charismatic voice and face of al-qaida. The guy who sets up the strategy and issues the company line---al-Zawahiri is the real threat.
And honestly, even after he is gone, I think it is going to be a long road trying to defeat an ideology. That is what this is---it lives on as a set of deeply held beliefs. Religiously-held beliefs, and there are plenty of devout Muslims who subscribe to this value system.
Just killing the head isn't going to defeat this--I don't believe. The only way this stops is if we are able to marginalize the members of this group to a point where their numbers are so low that they can't pose any real threat beyond isolated attacks out of frustration in the local vicinity of their communities.
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Geez - I go to bed at 9:00 one night and I miss all the news.
Good to hear though.
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If that's what they did with him,I have no problem with that at all.Let the sharks have him.
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I haven't read through any posts yest in this thread, but just wanted to say job well done President Obama!!
I've been harsh on you politically and will continue you to be so as there are fundamentally things I disagree with you on....BUT I will give you props for pulling the trigger on this. THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT! THANK YOU TO THOSE BRAVE SOULS WHO WENT IN AND PULLED THIS OFF. GOD BLESS THE USA.
This is far from over and it will probably never will be, but if gives me hope that although they may run, they can't hide forever. This gives me more confidence in our intelligence assets. The Middle East is in a transformation right now and its time to strike by helping democracy and freedom while the iron is hot.
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i'm not a political guy at all, i was not huge on obama, but i give the man credit. it wasn't simply him that did this, and it may have been in the works for years before he even was president, but it happened on his watch, and that will look very good.
i also gave him credit earlier last week when he was not at the royal wedding, but rather down in alabama supporting those people, OUR people, who needed it. that is huge in my book.
i kinda always knew we'd get bin laden. i had tons of people tell me they will never find him or that he was probably dead, but a guy that rich, and that significant was not just rotting away somewhere, it would have gotten out that he had died. i am just glad it went down the way it did.
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i also gave him credit earlier last week when he was not at the royal wedding, but rather down in alabama supporting those people, OUR people, who needed it. that is huge in my book.
He wasn't invited to the royal wedding, so no props needed. 
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i also gave him credit earlier last week when he was not at the royal wedding, but rather down in alabama supporting those people, OUR people, who needed it. that is huge in my book.
He wasn't invited to the royal wedding, so no props needed.
Thats correct. Will and Kate didn't invite him.
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http://www.theblaze.com/Good stuff on all this. Links to all good info. I hope refs don't pull the link on this.
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good article on ESPiN about the bin Laden attacks. It was Mets@Phillies. The Mets destroyed Cliff Lee and won 2-1 in 14, but halfway through the game the fans started shouting USA! USA! and the players on both teams were like wtf? They eventually found out from the 2 small TVs in the locker rooms or something like that. Bobby Valentine, the Mets mgr in 2001, helped Shea Stadium serve as a rescue base during 9/11 and his Mets were the first baseball team to play a game after 9/11. 9/21/01. He was actually at the Phillies-Mets game last night. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6463678
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That made less sense than the first thing I questioned. I'll be done with you at this point.
He's noting your anti-Obama bias is what is causing you and others to see "me me me, I, I, I", as it was put a few posts back, in his speech. Its not a coincidence that the people who are pointing out their perceived flaws with the speech are the ones who hate Obama the most.
I for one am glad its done and over, and I am also honest enough to admit its a little bit more satisfying that Bush didn't get him because I really didn't like Bush.
On the other hand, I wish I had gotten the news while I was still over there instead of at home on my computer. Man would that have been one hell of a morale booster.
Actually, his comments were not addressing anything I said, other than my question to him. I still have no idea what he has trying to say, but it was not in response to the what you just tried to pretend it was....some people will twist anything around to make a point. Obama was doing some major back patting, my feelings about his politics have nothing to do with what I heard. It's again, so ridiculous to say that my disagreements or comments about this administration is due to "hate" or being anti-Obama. Childish.
You've admitted your bias, the very people complaining about people not giving Obama mad props for this would have turned themselves into a pretzel trying to make sure Bush had gotten no credit if this had happened under his administration.
Sorry, but I wouldn't have hailed either one of them as great for this happening. Going after this guy was the biggest no brainer of all time.
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Well, I guess we will find out if he's already dead if we don't hear anything from him anymore.
To be honest, I wish they had some pics to "prove" it, though maybe they will release some.
I am interested to read more about the leadup to it and how it was done, though. Fascinating.
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Breaking News: Donald Trump is now demanding to see evidence of Osama's death certificate.
You don't think it's a coincidence that they cut into the Apprentice at 10:30 because the President said he was making an announcement and then he didn't actually make the announcement until 11:30 do you? 
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You lay them out like John Dillinger for the world to see.
I understand this sentiment, to a degree, but what does it accomplish?
The US absolutely handled this in the right way IMO.
Had they paraded his body around, it would have potentially undone any good will we garnered in the islam / muslim world. Showing that we can be sensitive to muslim traditions, in an unbelievably high charged scenario like Bin Laden's death, could potentially go a long way in establishing positive relations in the middle east region. Will it? I have no idea but any other approach would have been a huge wasted opportunity.
Do you honestly think the US spent 10 years hunting down a guy only to dump him in the Sea without being 100% sure it was him? In due time, we'll have plenty of "proof" Bin Laden is dead.
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Do you honestly think the US spent 10 years hunting down a guy only to dump him in the Sea without being 100% sure it was him? In due time, we'll have plenty of "proof" Bin Laden is dead.
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They got him.
There are some, no matter how much evidence you show them, they'll belive there is a conspiracy. Come on, there are still tons of people that don't believe humans have ever been on the moon. Same with the Lock Ness Monster, the guy that faked the photo came out and admitted it....but there were still people saying, "oh, he's just trying to protect Nessy now."
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oh man... really?
I suppooooooooooooose Obama could have masterminded such timing [although many of his detractors have portrayed him as a dolt], but more likely this was a decision made by network brass. Besides, if the network showing The Hairpiece's idiot show wanted to, they could easily have let it run- while other networks handed the stuff happening in Real Life. Noone put a gun to their executives' heads, you know.
edit: missed the "smiley" at the end.... carry on
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Instead of a white cloth, we should have wrapped him in bacon and filmed the buzzards eating him.
this has to be the line of the day!
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I understand this sentiment, to a degree, but what does it accomplish?
The US absolutely handled this in the right way IMO.
Had they paraded his body around, it would have potentially undone any good will we garnered in the islam / muslim world. Showing that we can be sensitive to muslim traditions, in an unbelievably high charged scenario like Bin Laden's death, could potentially go a long way in establish positive relations in the middle east region. Will it? I have no idea but any other approach would have been a huge wasted opportunity.
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Breaking News: Donald Trump is now demanding to see evidence of Osama's death certificate.
Now that right there is funny! 
Seriously, all the petty arguments aside, Bin Laden is dead and I just couldn't be happier...
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I think we should have ground him up and fed him to swine.
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Some people are already crying cover up because we only took bin Ladens body and buried it at sea. Of course we only took his body, his was the only one that was important to ensure that we actually got the right person. After DNA samples were taken from the body and photographs were taken, we disposed of the body in keeping with Muslim traditions since surely no country would want to take possession of the body. There's not much reason to take a random courier's body or his brother or son's body.
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kudos to the military and yes to this administration.
really, the one thing I have agreed with is how this administration has handled the 2 wars they were handed. they left soldiers in Iraq to finish business there (still ~50K in Iraq) and they continued our efforts in Afghanistan. in addition, it seems they continued to follow up on all leads to track down Bin Laden and they were finally successful.
so, again, kudos to all involved.
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My gut says a tape that will be released that OBL may have created years ago so that if/ when this ever happened, he will have a voice from the grave and a rallying cry.
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Navy Seals are bad ma'afalas ... congrats to them, all our military, and the Obama administration for having the nerve to give them the go-ahead for the mission.
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I've been reading a lot of Tom Clancy novels lately, so this just seems like it fits right in with those.
I know we'll never know a lot of details, but I'll be pretty interested to see what does come out regarding how it all happened.
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My gut says a tape that will be released that OBL may have created years ago so that if/ when this ever happened, he will have a voice from the grave and a rallying cry.
That wouldn't be a surprise.. or one that says that the reports of his death are exaggerated.. something like that..
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Why do I have visions of a really bad voice over ..... something like ..... Reports of my death are inaccurate. I am alive and well today (MAY 2, 2011). The infidels will never win, especially not today (MAY 2, 2011). Face it .... there will be those who will believe he's alive even if the saw the body, and they watched him being gunned down.
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