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And yet Patrick Peterson is still talking about holding out...
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And people wonder why these threads go long.....blah blah blah
Um...pot calling kettle black?
Nope.
You make an inane post in a thread that is already on it's third reincarnation at a time when people are trying to filter through and find info.
Inane posts are why these things usually go long, and why they are hard to find info and good discussion within them.
And yes.....this post of mine adds to the clutter but it wouldn't be here if not for yours.
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not completely sure, but I would assume it would take effect for this season. another question would be are they allowed to have the contract be retroactive for the entire season.
i.e. if JT signs an extension in December, then can his pay bump count for the entire year (and help us eat more cap room that way as well)
not sure.
We have a cash floor that we have to meet. It works differently than the cap did. Cam Newton, for example, has a fullt guaranteed contract, but no signing bonus to be pro-rated.
The structure of deals will change.
If a guy gets a bonus now, it will be a reporting or workout bonus, payable in a single year.
The bookkeeping should become much easier for the NFL. They will figure out how much they spent in actual salaries and bonuses in a single year, and that amount has to equal 99% of the cap amount. There will be less of the "pro rate the signing bonus, calculate in the likely to be earned, and then add the annual salary to figure a cap number." The cap number will still matter, but the cash floor will necessitate the actual cash distribution methods become simpler. You're going to see "$X, Y year deal with $Z guaranteed" rather than "$X, Y year deal with a $Z signing bonus.
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Is anyone else wondering how we are going to put 90 players on the field for training camp? We can't be close to that number yet.
Anyone keeping score?
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I'm wondering if Heckert is going to throw a Third round pick to Philly for Asante Samuel..that's what I'm wondering..
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I'm wondering if Heckert is going to throw a Third round pick to Philly for Asante Samuel..that's what I'm wondering..
do u see how much Arizona gave up for Kolb.. and u think we could get a 3rd round pick for Samuel?  cmon man.. 
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Either that or lock up the Whole Salary Cap for years up on ADC, NA, and Samuel..Not counting Vick's new deal and Desean Holding out..Even Akers makes some Ching...They have to be on the bubble...You can't compare QB's to a CB anyway. I have seen Moss get traded for a fourth rounder so what's the point? Start at a third..and go from there..
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They'll probably cut Akers. They drafted a kicker in 4th or 5th round.
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Samuel doesn't really make any sense for us - he's 30 years old.
It's not about the 3rd round pick, it's about the $26 million he's still owed in the next three years.
I'd much rather have a third round pick + Carlos Rogers + Justin Blalock, which would be about the same investment of resources.
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He's due 5. 5 million this year or something like that..We need a corner now that Wright is gone..I agree that he doesn't exactly fit the young side, but him and Haden would be more capable of Covering and making an impact even if wew have trouble getting a pass rush..That forms a pretty nice tandem at CB and makes it tougher on The opposing QB no matter what.
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Is anyone aware?
Does Sheldon Brown play a style of coverage more befitting to Shurmur's style as opposed to Mangini's? He was very very good in Philly, and that was only 1 1/2 years ago...to say he's going downhill seems premature...maybe mangini wanted him (and wright for that matter) to play a style he's not good at...
Haden and Brown may be fine, with Adams in the nickel, with Skrine challenging him.
Maybe Adams is our starter opposite TJ...but we seem to have a plan, although we dont exactly know what that is yet as fans
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Cardinals | Chansi Stuckey added Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:37:02 -0700 The Arizona Cardinals have signed free-agent Chansi Stuckey (Browns) to a two-year deal worth $3.5 million. Source: Yahoo! Sports - Jason Cole Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=1#ixzz1TXvmD5NvNot surprising. The thing is he was are only veteran receiver. Do we need a vet or just let the receivers coach take on that role?
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I like Sheldon Brown and agree with you..We can go with what we have and if Heckert things they are good..well then I am good with it.
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Sheldon is better in press and Jauron does prefer more press bump and run stuff to the zone and playing off that you see from the Bellyache coaching tree.
Wright just wasn't very good in press, similar to Asante Samuel. I would target Rogers or Carr.
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Samuel doesn't really make any sense for us - he's 30 years old.
It's not about the 3rd round pick, it's about the $26 million he's still owed in the next three years.
I'd much rather have a third round pick + Carlos Rogers + Justin Blalock, which would be about the same investment of resources.
True, Joseph made sense. However, that ship has sailed. We need some bodies and we need to spend some money by Rule so I'm not opposed to the idea of a deal for Asante as long as it's not completely outrageous.
Doubt it happens however, he'll probably end up in Arizona. Or maybe he'll make the change to FS for them?
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anyone thats good in the nickel would be fine...or someone to play the safety opposite ward (whitner) to let Adams focus on the nickel spot...
I think thatd make the most sense. A guy that could come in and play the Jauron defense without much learning curve due to the lack of time that he has to learn it. He could fill in quickly. Why havent we grabbed him yet
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Are you comfortable with Adams as our Nickel back?
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Are you comfortable with Adams as our Nickel back?
Mike Adams is so under-rated by Browns fans that it amazes me.
The guy played Safety for us, but when he was thrust into the CB spot ...... and played even better there. He's also a fantastic special teams player.
In the past 3 years he has had 44, 69, and 45 tackles. He has picked off 4 passes, and has defensed 16 passes.
That's a total of 158 tackles, 4 INT, and 16 passes defensed in 3 years of backup duty.
He might not be a top flight starter, but he is extremely capable and valuable as a backup/situational guy/spot starter.
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Mike Adams is so under-rated by Browns fans that it amazes me.
Not by me. I like him in both positions. I wish he was a bit bigger as a safety. Otherwise, he's a ball-hawk.
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I'm not saying he isn't valuable but he isn't what I want as a nickel back. He is very valuable as a special teams player and a backup safety/CB. I just do not think he is a nickel back.
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he seems like a Snyder sign, doesn't he?)
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Mike Adams is so under-rated by Browns fans that it amazes me.
You make a valid point. I fall into that mistake as well. Still, I'm not sure he can play nickel full time when in this pass happy age you play the it more than half the time. I suppose we shall see how it goes. I suspect some of our players will really shine in the new systems, while others might take a step back. Will certainly be an interesting year.
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Sheldon is better in press and Jauron does prefer more press bump and run stuff to the zone and playing off that you see from the Bellyache coaching tree.
Wright just wasn't very good in press, similar to Asante Samuel. I would target Rogers or Carr.
By the second half or the 2010 Season it was quite apparent that The eagles knew what they were doing getting a 4rth rd pick for Browns. he was burned long often. he is slow. and as he tried to grab and hang on he hurt his shoulder. Now that we lost Wright as well we seem to be in deep guano at CB as well as safety.
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I would love to get a serious corner to bookend with Haden. Patrick Peterson had me praying he'd fall to us. He didn't. But it sure got me thinking of what a great CB tandem might look like here in Cleveland. I can see the possibility of Brown making the transition to FS. You put a similar talent next to Haden and let them get comfortable with this system? Man, you can really do some things up front at that point.... 
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At the very, very least, Adams is a quality dime DB, and quality backup/spot starter at both CB and S. Add in his special teams contributions and he's probably one of the most important non-starters on the team.
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Exactly...and with a more defined role i think that he can take care of it. In fact he could excel in those roles.
Im very comfortable with him as a nickel
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You know what the funny thing is.... some people flip because we aren't going after people, and the FO is happy with where were are in that process. And others defend it, saying we shouldn't overspend or focus on the big names out there.
The truth is, we continually suck. Every year, with the exception of 2. Now I don't want to completely blow our wad, so to speak, on everyone out there. But you have to add talent to get better. Period. I know our goal is to build via the draft. But until those picks actually do something, besides the few we have had here or there, we severely lack talent on this team. So if they want to start bringing a few bigger name guys, I ain't gonna be too upset about it.
With that said, we need to really focus on a corner. And I don't mean some guy who didn't start elsewhere who'll get thrown in here. Carlos Rodgers...someone... please.
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shep, this post wouldn't exist without cfrs's post which wouldn't exist without your post, so you can't complain. cause and effect 
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I would like to see us take a flyer on Laurent Robinson, WR for the Rams. With St. Louis signing Mike Sims Walker it appears that perhaps they are going in a different direction.
He is 6ft. 1 has good skills but has been hampered by injuries. He is familiar with Shurmur's system and can stretch the field. Seems like the type of player we could get at a good value.
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Yeah, a CB and a WR IMO is a must for us. And I thought about Robinson. I like the guy and his potential, but like you said, he's been hurt.
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We're not doing much this year. It's all about our extra picks next year
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Yes...excited about the picks.
But, there's no guarantee that they won't be bums, either. The draft is a crapshoot. We still lack a lot of talent this year. So... add some. We don't have to go crazy and throw money around like Pacman Jones at a strip club, but at least give us a little talent while we develop some.
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That's not true at all...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Yes...excited about the picks.
But, there's no guarantee that they won't be bums, either. The draft is a crapshoot. We still lack a lot of talent this year. So... add some. We don't have to go crazy and throw money around like Pacman Jones at a strip club, but at least give us a little talent while we develop some.
I still remember how Mangini dealt edwards and winslow for picks that turned out to be bums and mediocrities. Or we give the jets their franchise QB for a center and a bunch of bums. Crapshoot, yet when we teamed kokinis, yet another GM who never was who predictably flopped wre you really surpised about the lop sided trades.
So far the new front office has done pretty well drafting and miserably with free agents. Pashos is a joke.
jake was a HUGE mistake. Seneca demonstrated why he is a career backup. Sheldon Brown showcased why the eagles are so good getting picks for fading talent.
This year we get a GB RB who could not run out of a paper bag and a DB with 4 starts in 4 years. I am on the edge of my seat.
This front office forgets the fans PAY to watch this "entertainment". when you leave your QBs to get injured as you delude yourself about the oline who wants to watch your team compete with a 3rd string QB. When you get your young QB no real help for his RB, or at WR and Oline and then try to "evaluate his play"..how easy will that be to watch? With the entire defense stacked against Hillis with only the oft Injured hardesty as his backup and a rookie.
when you sign no dline help or help at Lber with mediocre starters and extremely thin depth how easy will the fans sit watching their team hopelessly behind by halftime and with no secondary depth and some scary lack of talent with some starters. How easy will the fans wait as they see Rob Ryan excell in Dallas.
Keep preaching next year and expect the fans in a bad economy to pony up big bucks to once again see their team embarrassed each Sunday.
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