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just wondering because idk
who have the browns signed so far?
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Kenny Wright, backup CB
Antwan Peek, backup OLB possible Mcginest replacement when he calls it quits
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Re-signed Hank Fraley, C
Signed Eric Steinbach, G, Cincinnati
Signed Kenny Wright, CB, Washington
Signed Antwaan Peek, LB, Houston
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CONFUSED EVEN MORE, NOW?... ...
i wouldn't say confused  but i have no clue which way we could go...
if they are talking about later round guys then this posturing means little....but this is imo all about the 3rd pick...
i'm sure phil is loving his position though...we can go so many ways its ridiculous...
i honestly think that right now he's just trying to fan the flames to make a team trade with us
we could easily move down and get branch and more first day picks....is that the way to go? who knows....
we could just as easily pick thomas, peterson, or quinn...
our options are endless...its a win/win for us any way you slice it...
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Open question... Does anyone else here think we need more depth at WR? Or more or less is there anyone in FA worth picking up?
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I've been saying for months (going back to the season), that we needed to pick up another receiver. I wouldn't mind a guy like Donte' Stallworth. Two big play threats, with him and BE could really open up our offense.
I mean, imagine this... BE and Stallworth as wideouts.. JJ and Wilson, or Winslow lined up in the slots. That would greatly open up our offense. I don't think we'll go after a guy like Stallworth, but I'd like to see it happen.
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Open question... Does anyone else here think we need more depth at WR? Or more or less is there anyone in FA worth picking up?
Someone else mentioned we should do this:
Get McGahee...
Sign Jamal Lewis...
Draft Calvin Johnson in the 1st...
and the offense would look like this:
RB: McGahee, Lewis
WR: Braylon Edwards & Calvin Johnson
TE: Kellen Winslow Jr.
Pretty tight huh?
Me personally.. I think the WR spot does not need to be addressed with big names..could be addressed with UDFA.. and free agency.. but having Calvin Johnson and McGahee would be nice. Just don't know if McGahee would want to be a Brown.
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I've always felt Drew Bennet's the man but he's prob all ready signed and he would be so expensive. WR is a position that we should improve at simply with growth. Braylon will be better next year as well as Travis Wilson and Cribbs. We still have big Joe, so may be a WR in the middle of the draft if it's of value. Otherwise i don't wanna put any big money into it. I'd rather see our team run the ball effectively.
On that note i really hope that KW2 is fine to play next year. I know this year was really hard on him, and hopefully this surgery turns out successful.
People were so down on BE this year, but i don't think it really should be that way. He's still young and improving. He fought to get back last year and he has shown that he's at least a very competitive guy. It's like people wanna throw him to the trash, but he still is capable of being a successful number 1 reciever IMO. Especially with new coaching and hopefully more offseason training with catching the ball although that might have just been his concentration and confidence (in his body). I mean we've all seen that he can do it blindfolded (that video of him catching the balls blindfolded is great, lol)
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well you could always upgrade a position, but with edwards, and jj and wilson we are probably ok...plus we have cribbs...
wr isn't that big to me personally cause we are always gonna have winslow on the field...
we might draft another guy to replace jj down the road, but thats the least of our worries right now....
if we get another guard in fa we will probably go pretty hard at d in the draft...
wr would be way down the list in my book after oline, dline, corner....then rb qb...
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NFL | Stallworth reportedly in substance-abuse program
Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:14:52 -0800
ESPN.com reports free agent WR Donte' Stallworth (Eagles), according to a report in The Philadelphia Daily News, is a participant in the league's substance-abuse program and could be subjected to a suspension should he violate terms of the program again. Stallworth has yet to visit any teams this offseason as a free agent.
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Open question... Does anyone else here think we need more depth at WR? Or more or less is there anyone in FA worth picking up?
Yeah and my guy I have been talking about for a while now would be perfect and he could do our PR's. Could go anywhere from 7th- UDFA.
Henry Tolbert WR 5'11 205 Grambling
By: Robert Davis
Tolbert began his career as a running back at Grambling, and had an impressive debut season. As a freshman, he ran for 381 yards on 53 carries, and added 391 yards on 31 catches as a receiver. He then moved over to receiver and caught 29 passes for 563 yards and six touchdowns as a sophomore. Tolbert blew up as a junior, becoming Bruce Eugene’s go to receiver. He finished with career highs across the board, finishing with 74 catches for 1,391 yards and 19 touchdowns. The numbers dropped as a senior with Eugene gone, to just 48 catches for 730 yards and four touchdowns.
The time Tolbert spent at running back has helped him as a receiver. He is very dangerous in the open field and is a threat to break off a big play at any time. He has very good quickness, and has very good cutting ability. He can start and stop very well and routinely makes defenders miss. He has a solid build for a receiver and can go over the middle to make plays. An intriguing option at the next level is that he has the ability to play both RB and WR, and could be used in both roles.
Tolbert has a solid build, but he needs to get stronger in his lower half. The extra length strength would help him break more tackles and be an even bigger threat in the open field. Tolbert also lacks ideal height. He does not appear to be as tall as his listed height, which is only average to begin with.
Henry Tolbert is a player that could surprise at the next level. He has a variety of skills and could be a multi purpose player for an NFL team. He may lack the ideal size for WR, but he can play football. His combination of skills could be used as an all around threat, much like the Saints have utilized Reggie Bush this season.
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Report: Dolphins to release McMichaelESPN.com news services
Tight end Randy McMichael reportedly is about to hit the free agent market.
Unnamed sources told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that the Dolphins plan to release McMichael on Monday. McMichael was due a $3 million bonus later this month.
The Dolphins were shopping McMichael for a third-round draft pick, but found no takers, the newspaper reported.
McMichael is the Dolphins' all-time leader in catches (283) and receiving yards (3,096) for a tight end and 2006 was his third consecutive season with at least 60 receptions.
The Dolphins recently signed former Packers tight end David Martin to take McMichael's spot in the starting lineup.
He will be a great TE for someone.. I would want him cuz he is talented.. and he went to Georgia.. but the guy is a wife beater.. someone i was cool with at that.. and for that reason.. He is being released b/c of his attitude and off the field issues..
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Not to mention he sucked this year. I had him on my fantasy team for a short while. He did nothing for me.
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I don't think mis-information is quite as orchestrated as you make it sound.....and I sure don't think the Browns would start spreading rumors, or engage in talks about a player just to spread smoke.
Either the word on Frye being possible trade bait is totally fabricated by someone outside the Browns, or there is something to it. I seriously doubt we would start talking about the guy in the terms of a trade just to throw someone off.
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On sportscenter about a minute ago...
Thomas Jones was traded to the Jets. I'll try to find a link...
Joe Thomas made Justin Timberlake change his name. He didn't want wusses to have the same initials...
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Free-agent guard Sean Mahan is visiting the Cleveland Browns on Monday and scheduled to visit the Seattle Seahawks Tuesday JUst saw this on nfl.com. I dont know about him any one have some info?
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I dont know how to link. Im pc stupid. Sorry.
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I dont know how to link. Im pc stupid. Sorry.
Re linking.
1) Right click and highlight the text with your cursor by dragging all the text you want to copy.
2) When it's all in black (hi-lited) RIGHT click and choose copy.
3) Go back to thread and in the body, hit Crt key + V and article should be pasted into post.
4) Go back to web site and and where the address bar shows the URL; again hi-lite and choose 'copy'.
5) Go back to post and down below where you see "Instant UBB Code, choose URL and when it comes up right click and paste.
6) Another small window will show where you can type what you want i.e. "link"; "source" or whatever. When you typed that, just hit enter and the link should show at the bottom of your post.
Practise doing it with a 'test post that you won't really post on the board but will abort until you're confident you have the knack.
P.S. - You're not stupid re PCs, just like me when I started - illiterate is the word. Like everything else, takes time, work and patience.
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How about interest in Bill's guard, Mike Gandy. He's another road grader as they say. Little slow on sweeps but, once he locks on, he locks on (legally). Very strong and still young 28 I believe with 5 years experience. Play all 16 games for the Bills in 2006. We gave them Melvin Fowler and be nice if we could steal a good guard in return. Any thoughts pro or con for debate.
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How about interest in Bill's guard, Mike Gandy. He's another road grader as they say. Little slow on sweeps but, once he locks on, he locks on (legally). Very strong and still young 28 I believe with 5 years experience. Play all 16 games for the Bills in 2006. We gave them Melvin Fowler and be nice if we could steal a good guard in return. Any thoughts pro or con for debate.
We talked about that in the other thread.
Found out he gave up 12.5 sacks last year. There were a few other red flags on him as well.
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Free-agent guard Sean Mahan is visiting the Cleveland Browns on Monday and scheduled to visit the Seattle Seahawks Tuesday JUst saw this on nfl.com. I dont know about him any one have some info?
Here's another tidbit on this direction. I don't know that it adds any more validity to premise, but it is an eye opener:
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Tuesday, March 06, 2007Mary Kay CabotPlain Dealer Reporter
The Browns hosted two more free agents on Monday, guard/center Sean Mahan of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and quarterback Marques Tuiasosopo of the Oakland Raiders, a source said Monday.
Mahan, a fifth-year pro, has started at left guard, right guard and center for the Bucs. He started 12 games at left guard in 2006 and 16 games at right guard in 2005. He most likely would replace Browns free agent Cosey Coleman, who's not expected to return.
Mahan is scheduled to visit the Seahawks today if the Browns don't sign him, but they're expected to make a strong push. He would be paired with guard Eric Steinbach, who signed a seven-year, $49.5 million deal on Friday.
Mahan, 6-3, 301 pounds, was a fifth-round pick out of Notre Dame in 2003.
Tuiasosopo most likely would be targeted as a backup quarterback.
A seven-year veteran, he started two games for the Raiders. The Browns tried to trade for him last year, but the Raiders weren't interested. Tuiasosopo, 6-1, 220 pounds, was a second-round pick of the Raiders in 2001 out of the University of Washington.
To reach this Plain Dealer Reporter:
mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670
Lastly, his scouting report:
Grade: 65 | Key
Alert: None
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Mahan has adequate size to play offensive guard, very good foot quickness and good running ability. Movement is more his game than power. He has a great first step and takes good angles to his blocks. When he has an angle block, he shows that he can get movement on the line of scrimmage. He shows that he is capable of pulling to lead the toss play and does a good job of finding a moving target. In pass protection, he can mirror and slide with a defender and can reset his feet to adjust to a speed rusher. He plays with a good knee bend as opposed to bending at the waist and he has very good lateral movement. He gets off the ball with very good quickness and he can get to the second level. However, he tends to narrow his base and has difficulty sustaining blocks on a moving target. He lacks the bulk and strength to be able to knock people off the ball on a consistent basis and a strong bull rush will knock him back into the pocket. He plays with good intelligence, does a good job of recognizing the blitz, and excels in passing off and picking up line stunts and twists in the middle. Overall, he excels at the technique and movement phases of the game but needs to improve his strength and bulk so he can be more dominant at the point of attack.
I don't know enough about the guy to make a call. What I do know is that it'd be hard for him to play worse than 'Druzzi (who's done IMHO) and Coleman (who had a solid '05 but a horrid '06). Sadly, if we signed him, I think that would eliminate us from taking a guard on the 1st day, though it wouldn't preclude us from taking Thomas.
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Hey Toad,
If you look at the guys we have been singing and bringing in, it feels to me we are going to go to a more movement/zone blocking scheme. I mean look:
Steinbach: Not a Giant Guard but smaller than a lot, but he has good movement
Fraley: More of a movement oriented center
Mahan: (haven't signed him yet but still) movement is his big selling point..not power
Even if we draft Joe Thomas most of his scouting reports him as quick/technical LT opposed to road grader/power
Anyone else see what I am seeing?
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By the way, I can't post the link to the site but they are saying the Browns have made it known around the league that Frye is available via trade.
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Yeah Toad I saw that on OBR. I highly doubt anyone would want him...I think this is more of a smokescreen than anything.
First Ruebon was on the block, now Charlie...Shoot I think Ole Savage would put his mother on the trade block if he thought he could get a better deal/better smoke screen.
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Thanks for the scouting report Toad...well, a 65 isn´t that bad, isn´t it....he could be the RG or 6th OLiner (backing up all interior positions)....
I know I read somewhere Wright had a 58 grade from ESPN...I´d like to know what the grade on Peek was....I´d be interested to know that
1 more thing: is it just me or are we changing the "OL-blocking philosophy"? With Stein, Fraley and now eventually Mahan we woul have finesse guys...what do you think about that? Maybe that´s what Chud wants? Just wondering
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By the way, I can't post the link to the site but they are saying the Browns have made it known around the league that Frye is available via trade.
I know. I was talking about that on here yesterday. Are you talking about the OBR insider article?
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Yeah Django it feels like we are moving to a Denver/Philly style system. I have no problem with that...I mean it seems Denver can put Joe Q back there and still get 1200 yards..
I wouldn't mind that kind of system
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The scouting grades tend to be a year or so behind, as they haven't updated the way they have in the past. Having used that site for information over the years, I know that a grade of 65 equals out to be a marginal starter in the league.
I also should say that I don't know that it precludes us from taking a guard, but rather reduces the odds as Mahan is still young. If we signed him as a swingman I'd be tickled green, but I've the feeling that we'd ink him as a starter. And yeah, it looks like we're going away from power guys and going with technique guards. The only problem is that goes against what Shaffer brings to the table as a guy who wants to be a mauler but doesn't have enough technique to play left tackle.
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We could always draft Joe Thomas or even Joe Staley (who is a project) both of which are noted for their speed and athleticism to fill our LT spot..
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With the way Shaffer played, I'd be content with Fred Flinstone out there........
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Look at the good news...no where to go but up
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Buccaneers | Mahan unlikely to return Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:49:11 -0800 Roy Cummings, of the Tampa Tribune, reports free agent OL Sean Mahan (Buccaneers) appears unlikely to return to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Mahan reportedly could sign with the Cleveland Browns. http://www.kffl.com/
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Falcons | Lehr released Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:35:31 -0800 The Atlanta Falcons announced the release of OG Matt Lehr. link
What do you guys think... this Mahan guy or Matt Lehr? I've at least heard of Lehr before so that's what stands out for me but I honestly don't know a thing about either guy. Should the Browns consider him now that he's out there?
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Thanks Loki and Toad....I hope Steinbach got at least a 80something then (yeah I want to know thatt too ) If we really move to a more athletic, finesse style blocking scheme, drafting Joe Thomas for LT and moving Shaffer to RT would make even more sense....and it could also explain why we were reportedly very interested in USC C Kalil, T Ugoh and G Wrotto who are also more atheltic OL....I really was scratching my head why we would look at those guys in Senior Bowl week if we sign Mahan, the G need is not "that" pressing to take 1 in round 2 (but if Sears is there, we better take him...I really like this guy) but I hope we follow up with drafting a G in round 3 or 4 (some quality like Beekman, Ramirez or finesse guys like Alleman and Duckworth should be there)
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WOW,,, we are in the AFC North,,, would a finesse Oline really work in that division? I have to question that thinking..
I mean, perhaps it would be terrific,,, but I just have to wonder how they would stack up against Ngata for instance.
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Either the word on Frye being possible trade bait is totally fabricated by someone outside the Browns, or there is something to it. I seriously doubt we would start talking about the guy in the terms of a trade just to throw someone off. Lets put it this way adding more fuel to the Frye fire is the more-than-tepid interest in drafting Brady Quinn , since owner Randy Lerner was in attendance at Quinn’s Pro Day workout yesterday—and the somewhat-bizarre and ongoing interest in Marques Tuiasosopo. Smokescreen? Possible.. It is equally possible the Browns could deal Frye on draft day.. Anything is possible.. Opie attempted to acquire Tuiasosopo last offseason, and the Raiders QB visited ..so something is going on.. And to be blunt people..it's Charlie Frye..Assessing the potential market for Frye covers the team's bases for different eventualities in this year's draft, even if drafting a quarterback isn't foremost in the team's plans. Someone started this rumor..whether the Browns are shielding themselves from it or really have no plans like that remain to be seen. Bottom line is this..even though most of us are grouped in according to who we want in the draft ..this is a fact..the guy under center should be a guy who can make plays,win games , not create doubt, or uncertainity and can carry the offense if he needs to..is that Frye? 
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I think we have to consider everybody out there, some might be a look at and no thanks, no brainers, pass on, but others might be a phone call to an agent or a call to the player, an some might be a bring in and check out to see if healthy, but we must keep all our options open,
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