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79.
That should help put Mahan in perspective. To further help the comparisons, Will Shields got an 83, Vince Manuwai a 77.
Keep in mind that it's not an easy grading system like you'd see on a term paper. You don't have the top 10 players at a position in the 90's, the next 10 in the 80's, the next 10 in the 70's, then a bunch of backups. It doesn't grade out like that. At first glance, you'd see a 79 and go "WTF? We just paid $50 million for an average guard?!"
Not so.
Steinbach and his 79 rates out as the 7th best guard in the league within their system, and in a sad state of affairs, he ranks as the #1 rated player on our team. Talk about taking the good with the bad, hehe.
As for Lehr, he's about to find his 4th team in 7 years. He's a true backup who has starting experience, and will help some team with it's depth. He ranked so low on the scale (a 40) that he didn't even warrant a scouting report, hehehe. Keep in mind that these reports are be-all end-all's, but rather just a single piece in the evaluation puzzle.
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Bottom line is this..even though most of us are grouped in according to who we want in the draft ..this is a fact..the guy under center should be a guy who can make plays,win games , not create doubt, or uncertainity and can carry the offense if he needs to..is that Frye?
If the Browns had Brady Quinn under center last season, would anything be any different?
Fix the Oline then we can see what we got. Until that happens, we could have Peyton Manning behind center and not much would change.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
BTW, the Brown Oline last season...the worst Oline in the NFL when we combine rushing and passing performances.
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Toad, wasn't Shaf fighting off some injuries last year? Also, like Fraley stated if we can get the starting OL in camp healthly and working through all the workouts, minis, full camps and exhibition games; our OL s/b much better in 2007. JMHO
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Mac, it's just more contrived news during the off-season. I wouldn't pay any attention to it. After all, the media claimed that Tressell would be offered the job as HC immediately after the NC game and we see how much merit that had. It's simply trying to make something out of nothing.
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If the Browns had Brady Quinn under center last season, would anything be any different?
Thats subjective Mac and I'll tell you why..
First I'm ONLY looking at the individual's skill-set..
WHO is actually the better QB is what it comes down to..not who has the better supporting cast(in our case) but who is actually better.
And if you give both QB's the same equal support who is going to come out on top and who will struggle..ask that question.
Now the first response is we don't know..cause we really don't , but just looking at their intangibles and physical skills who would seem to come off better?
While it's more complex than what I'm saying don't you think the GM is thinking about that?
Don't you think they're debating who will be ABLE TO TAKE this team to the playoffs and who will struggle dispite how they build the offense?
U have to consider it..I don't want to see this Oline rebuilt and actually functional but we don't have a QB who can do anything or who sputters and stalls out...
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I've always been a big fan of Denver's offense...
The running game is quite simplistic and it works. The plays aren't exactly straight up the gut but it's pretty much... make your cut and go.
I think the stretch plays are brilliant as well... you maneuver your guy away from the cohesive force of a full DL and then your RB just picks his hole and goes.
And if we're sticking with Frye the guy has the legs for boots and nakeds... and if the play breaks up he has enough speed to at least make it to the LOS.
Also, it does get windy (Not to mention the fact that there is less air) and it does get generally cold as hell in Denver as well. It's not like they play in a dome.
I'm not saying completely model the O after Denver... but the stuff that they do would work with the players that we have or want to have.
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God I hope we got Joe Thomas...he could really turn our offensive line into our strength....
Honestly I don't care if we dink & dunk, we power rush, or we finesse rush...as long as we have an identity on offense.
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This is the reason for our interest in this guy. CC is DONE in Cleveland and Good Riddance!!! JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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If the Browns had Brady Quinn under center last season, would anything be any different?
Thats subjective Mac and I'll tell you why..
First I'm ONLY looking at the individual's skill-set..
WHO is actually the better QB is what it comes down to..not who has the better supporting cast(in our case) but who is actually better.
And if you give both QB's the same equal support who is going to come out on top and who will struggle..ask that question.
Now the first response is we don't know..cause we really don't , but just looking at their intangibles and physical skills who would seem to come off better?
While it's more complex than what I'm saying don't you think the GM is thinking about that?
Don't you think they're debating who will be ABLE TO TAKE this team to the playoffs and who will struggle dispite how they build the offense?
U have to consider it..I don't want to see this Oline rebuilt and actually functional but we don't have a QB who can do anything or who sputters and stalls out...
I don't mean to get involved in an argument that really will go nowhere because that's where all these arguments go about Charlie Frye or Brady Quinn. But your question on whether or not Charlie or Brady are better based on who would "seem" to be better based on their "intangibles and physical skills" is the epitomy of subjective. Brady Quinn hasn't played a day in the NFL and Charlie hasn't played a day behind a good NFL OL since he joined the NFL. ANY comparison at all is going to be subjective. 
We can look at production on both college level but fact remains, unless we're looking at "potential" in the NFL for Brady Quinn as opposed to Charlie Frye (which is subjective) and we look at whether or not Charlie is ruined as a QB after last season (it happens when a QB gets sacked too many times, happy feet to get out of the pocket, nervousness while in the pocket, pressure to "make plays").
If you look at all of that which is all subjective at best, you can then make a hypothetical judgment, but not one based on fact by any means. 
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Buccaneers | Mahan still talking with the team
Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:24:07 -0800
Updating a previous report, John Murphy, of Yahoo! Sports, reports free-agent OL Sean Mahan (Buccaneers) and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are both open to his possible return.
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I thought I said in my first sentence it's subjective.
But you can still look at a player(if you know what you're looking at) and still see his own strengths and weaknesses regardless of whats around him.
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J/C. Thought this should go here..... web page Chiefs add Harris, who is perfect for Edwards' DBy Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com Filling their need for more athleticism and playmaking potential at middle linebacker, the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday reached agreement with unrestricted free agent Napoleon Harris on a six-year deal. Top free agents HarrisLinebacker Napoleon Harris is No. 26 on ESPN.com's list of the top NFL free agents on the market. Story • Scouting report Complete financial details of the contract were not immediately available, but two league sources told ESPN.com that Harris will receive about $6 million-$7 million in guarantees. Harris, 28, will replace Kawika Mitchell as Kansas City's starting middle linebacker. A solid run-stuffer but limited athlete, Mitchell is also an unrestricted free agent. He was not expected to return to the Chiefs and the acquisition of Harris all but guarantees that. A five-year veteran, Harris has drawn interest from several teams since the start of free agency and visited earlier with Tampa Bay Buccaneers officials. But the Chiefs made him a priority, in part because head coach Herm Edwards believes Harris has the skills to fit well into his Cover 2 scheme, and moved quickly to complete a deal with him. Because of his movement skills, Harris should be a middle linebacker capable of remaining on the field on third down, even in obvious passing situations. Oddly, the Minnesota Vikings, who also play the Cover 2 scheme and for whom Harris played the past two seasons, made little effort to retain him, even though he was a productive player for them. Minnesota signed E.J. Henderson to a long-term contract extension toward the end of last season, and will benefit from the return of 2006 first-round choice Chad Greenway, who missed his entire rookie campaign with a knee injury. So the Vikings, who also have a standout veteran on hand in Ben Leber, apparently felt they could allow Harris to move on to another team. The Vikings acquired Harris as part of the 2005 trade that sent wide receiver Randy Moss to the Oakland Raiders. Harris, a college standout at Northwestern, played three seasons for the Raiders, who chose him in the first round of the 2002 draft, before the trade. In five seasons, Harris has 333 tackles, six sacks, three interceptions, nine passes defensed and four forced fumbles. He has appeared in 74 games and been a starter at the middle and weakside linebacker positions. Senior writer Len Pasquarelli covers the NFL for ESPN.com
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If you look at the guys we have been singing and bringing in, it feels to me we are going to go to a more movement/zone blocking scheme. I mean look:
I don't think SD did a lot of zone blocking, but I agree w/you that it appears the Browns are looking at more mobile offensive linemen.
I would be all for that. I prefer those types to the road graders. I understand that isn't a popular view around here, but I would take the more mobile guy every day of the week. Of course, it's best to have a guy who can do both, i.e. Walter Jones, but those guys are rare.
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Mike Gandy was in Berea today...
PLEASE DO NOT OFFER THIS DUDE A CONTRACT...
He's a back-up on a good team...And he's gonna want Starter Bucks...Maybe even LT...NO NO NO...
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Reggie Kelly just resigned with Cincinnati, it's a three year and financial terms weren't disclosed. It's a good move, Reggie's invaluable as a blocking TE.  Me likey!
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Mike Gandy was in Berea today...
PLEASE DO NOT OFFER THIS DUDE A CONTRACT...
He's a back-up on a good team...And he's gonna want Starter Bucks...Maybe even LT...NO NO NO...
If we miss Mahan then Gandy would be a good signing. He is fairly young and has pretty good power to add to our RG spot, and can play LT, LG, RG, or RT for us if need be. He was good last year in Buffalo when he moved inside and helped develop Jason Peters who is gonna be a probowl LT
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No thanks. The guy gave up 20 sacks the past two years, is being released by a team with a poor line... all in the prime of his career. Instead of taking what would surely be an overpriced FA and turning him into a RG, we should just draft Blalock or Sears in round 2. Get a better player for cheaper.
Speaking of that switch.. I saw this on a Bills forum regarding Gandy:
"Jason Peters has been moved to LT and Mike Gandy is now riding the pine THANK GOD"
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No thanks. The guy gave up 20 sacks the past two years, is being released by a team with a poor line... all in the prime of his career. Instead of taking what would surely be an overpriced FA and turning him into a RG, we should just draft Blalock or Sears in round 2. Get a better player for cheaper.
I gotta agree with you.
I knew nothing about the guy and did some looking around and found out the guy should not have even been starting last year. He wasn't very good at all.
But.....I will say that he was horrible at LT. I don't know how well he would play at G but i'm not willing to fork out the cash he would want to find out if he can play or not.
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We had better NOT sign Jamal Lewis when we bring him in for a visit!
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Here is something kind of interesting. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Broncos have asked for Ladell Betts in exchange for Dre' Bly.
The Broncos are also reportedly talking to the Saints. Other reports say Denver is interested in Washington's first-round pick. The news about Betts is interesting considering Denver just paid big money to Travis Henry. But it's a typical Mike Shanahan move; He's not afraid to acquire an extra quality running back. *Previously reported* The Washington Post's Redskins blog believes a Dre Bly deal to Washington is still in play, and it could involve the team's No. 6 overall pick.
Denver has destroyed Washington in a few previous trades. In this scenario, Denver would send Bly, their first-round pick, a mid-round pick and change for the No. 6 overall pick. Shawn Springs would then be moved from Washington. It appears the two sides will continue to talk. Now lets say that the Redskins do in fact acquire Bly, reports are saying Springs could be out the door. Would you rather send Droughns for Bly or wait until Springs is let go? We could trade down in the draft and get a few other picks possibly if we were to send Droughns back there. Or we could just wait and see if we could land Springs if he is let go and maintain our position.
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j/c Just noticed that, according to baltimoresun.com, Jamal Lewis is going to visit the Browns. The article didn't say when the visit would happen, but that Cleveland was the first on his list. Interesting... Link
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No thanks. The guy gave up 20 sacks the past two years, is being released by a team with a poor line... all in the prime of his career. Instead of taking what would surely be an overpriced FA and turning him into a RG, we should just draft Blalock or Sears in round 2. Get a better player for cheaper.
Speaking of that switch.. I saw this on a Bills forum regarding Gandy:
"Jason Peters has been moved to LT and Mike Gandy is now riding the pine THANK GOD"
Well he was their starting LG and played better there, though he stunk at left tackle. Better him than nothing before the draft howev
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I understand that isn't a popular view around here, but I would take the more mobile guy every day of the week.
A distinct picture in my mind in the 30-0 blowout vs. the Bengals this past season was Steinbach pulling around to the right side with Rudy right behind him for a good gain everytime.
It seemed like everyone knew it was coming but were helpless to stop it as they did it over and over again successfully.
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I hear Jamal Lewis is expected to visit Cleveland soon  (Insider report on the OBR, so I can't post the link)
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And.. could Gardocki be out the door in Pittsburgh soon? Steelers | Lee signed to offer sheet Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:00:06 -0800 Matt Maiocco, of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers have signed restricted free agent P Andy Lee (49ers) to a seven-year, $7.1 million offer sheet. The deal includes $1.66 million to sign. The 49ers have until March 13 to match the terms of the contract. If the team declines, they will receive a sixth-round draft pick as compensation. Link
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Sorry. Didn't see the post like 3 above mine about Jamal Lewis
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HotByoungTurk and I are the official supports of getting Jamal Lewis, doesn anyone else want to join the fan club? 
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HotByoungTurk and I are the official supports of getting Jamal Lewis, doesn anyone else want to join the fan club?
If he comes at low cost. He's not the back he once was.
But I'd rather have him than Droughns.
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Not sure if this is already being discussed...
Buccaneers | Mahan unlikely to return
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Roy Cummings, of the Tampa Tribune, reports free agent OL Sean Mahan (Buccaneers) appears unlikely to return to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Mahan reportedly could sign with the Cleveland Browns
Who the hell is this guy? anyone know?
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I didn't notice this in the thread although it's mature news by now - http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Browns-meet-with-Tuiasosopo?urn=nfl,25826 Browns meet with Tuiasosopo Tuesday, Mar 6, 2007 9:45 am EST A curious offseason in free agency continued on Monday as the Cleveland Browns entertained a third-string quarterback who couldn't cut it with the Oakland Raiders. Marques Tuiasosopo spent the day in Berea, according to various reports. Tuiasosopo was the Raiders' third quarterback in 2006, playing behind Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter. Source: Akron Beacon Journal
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thats right!
and we better not sign this QB from the Raiders.. if you can't cut it as a Raider, then why the heck even bring him in to Berea?
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forget the Raider part... if ya can't beat out Brooks, then we just have no use for you.
Browns is the Browns
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Im really getting jittery with these guys coming in for visits and us not getting them inked. I think that the longer they stay free agents the lesser the chance is that we get them. Smith is a must IMO. We need an end and with alot of dline already being signed who is left if we dont get Smith? Mahan isnt a must but if we want him then sign him, I just want to know that things are set and not have these question marks anymore. Same goes for the Lewis, Droughns situation.
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I wouldn't....it means we are showing restraint. Just because we signed a few for big bucks doesn't mean we will for all. Some of those guys come in here hoping for the lottery win..when they don't get it, they check around.
The offers we have on the table might still be the best offer and we will catch them on the rebound.
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Im really getting jittery with these guys coming in for visits and us not getting them inked. I think that the longer they stay free agents the lesser the chance is that we get them. Smith is a must IMO. We need an end and with alot of dline already being signed who is left if we dont get Smith? Mahan isnt a must but if we want him then sign him, I just want to know that things are set and not have these question marks anymore. Same goes for the Lewis, Droughns situation.
Im thinking you guys are getting to greedy...LOL....You already got IMO the best Olineman that was available in FA....as well as a CB and a LB.......while my Steelers have signed a PUNTER!!!!! to an offer sheet...that will probably be matched by the 49ers.
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Browns is the Browns
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Hack - good luck w the punter
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What's wrong? Gardocki Flip Porter Off on his way out the door?
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