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There maybe a need for one.
this was one of the reasons I liked the signing of Jackson.
Hardesty is no where near ready for full time duty (imo) and to bring him back with a heavy work load I don't believe will be good for his confidence and there is always the risk of further injury.
Once Again Hillis will be counted on to shoulder the load.
Jackson will be missed on 3rd downs, because now Hillis will have to stay in and not get the rest he needs and I don't know if you want to depend on one of the rookies to fill that role.
This is a major hurdle to overcome.
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This is not good news (obviously). Steinbach to Pinkston is a huge drop off.
well, according to some on this board,, Stieny is awful,, should be cut, should be traded,,
No, I wasn't one of those..
IMO this is horrible news..
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that would be me.
IIRC most of us that bash Steinbach do so with the caveat that he is making top 5 guard money without actually being a top 5 guard performance wise. He is nearing the end of his career and 7 year $49 mil contract with the Browns that I believe ends 2013.
If Pinkston and or Greco pans out steinbach could be cut sooner rather than later. Just sayin.....
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one or both might be put on IR or Pup.
Well, if the shoe fits,, you know the rest 
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When we picked up Steiny, we needed a solid LG that had some flexibility to play either center or LT. Eric fit that bill and he has been a prettty darn good LG for a long time in this league and as of this moment, I'm not sure we've ever been presented with a better option. Please don't argue that, nobody can prove whoever we could have gotten would have been any better.
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(some more) UFA RB's still unsigned:
Kevin Smith, Age: 24.
Clinton Portis, Age: 30.
Brian Westbrook, Age: 31.
Julius Jones, Age: 30.
Kenneth Darby, Age: 28. (former Ram)
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STeiny is top 2 or 3 guards for a zone blocking scheme. It is why we paid him so much when we were a finesse zone team and it is why Hank was so good in our scheme.
We run more of a power based in line scheme now and those types just don't fit. We want maulers. Pinkston is a better fit and by week 6, we will really see this line come together. It already shows in our run blocking and also when we go playaction.
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Kevin Smith, Age: 24.
Clinton Portis, Age: 30.
Brian Westbrook, Age: 31.
Julius Jones, Age: 30.
Kenneth Darby, Age: 28. (former Ram)
If we're just looking for someone to take some carries away from Hillis I'd look at Smith or Jones, they aren't great but have show abilities in the past.
If anything, Put Jackson on IR and roll with Hillis, Hardesty, Porter, AND Smith...
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STeiny is top 2 or 3 guards for a zone blocking scheme. It is why we paid him so much when we were a finesse zone team and it is why Hank was so good in our scheme.
We run more of a power based in line scheme now and those types just don't fit. We want maulers. Pinkston is a better fit and by week 6, we will really see this line come together. It already shows in our run blocking and also when we go playaction.
Well, I'll take your word for it, but all reports out of camp that I read prior to him being injured say he was doing great.
we;ll see in 6 weeks if Pinkston is the man..
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If he's ganna be the man I'd rather he be the man as of Week 1...
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Correct me if I'm wrong ...... but I thought that we ran more of a man up physical blocking scheme with Mangini, and that the WCO is more zone/area blocking.
I thought that maulers fit the Mangini scheme better, where quicker OL are needed in the WCO. (although, obviously, there are many guys who can play either scheme well)
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who wouldn't,, I was just responding to Mours comment
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Brandon Jackson won't need surgery on toe Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 26, 2011, 8:12 PM EDT We passed along a report earlier Friday even that Browns guard Eric Steinbach and running back Brandon Jackson could both potentially miss the season due to injury. We’ve seen received word via a league source that Jackson’s turf toe injury will not require surgery. The injury is expected to keep him out for a maximum of six weeks, which would ideally put him back into the mix around Week Four. While turf toes are notoriously tricky to evaluate, we’d imagine that the Browns would keep a roster spot open for Jackson if he could be back that soon. Jackson was expected to be the team’s third down back behind Peyton Hillis.
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It really all depends on the coach. Atlanta and Houston uses more zone, where as Holmgren and Reid have a fondness for the bubble butt maulers.
Mangini liked the big boys but he just never had anyone good enough to replace Steiny. BTW the Ravens are using a lot more zone blocking this year as well.
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Neither are eligible for the PUP.
another option is to put a player on the IR once the season begins and there's a chance that you could get the player back after 6 weeks on the IR, witch normally means out for 7 or 8 weeks before they are ready to contribute.
looked it up. you are correct. If they start training camp on the active roster they are not eligible
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I thought IR was for the whole season. What's the difference between IR and PUP, then? Does either, or both, allow for carrying an extra player on the roster?
Good news on Jackson possibly coming back.
On Pinkston, I think some are blaming him for a sack that was actually given up by Vallos, who replaced him for one play. I'm hoping he get's ready soon, cause we need him.
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If he's ganna be the man I'd rather he be the man as of Week 1...
Given a choice I would rather he be eased into a starting role, however if Stieny can't go, then that becomes a moot point.
After the Coach said we think that Pinkston will be put at OG I naturally assumed the LG with Lauvao the favorite to be our starting RG.
This seems to have been our plan for Pinkston if not now then in the future and now the future is now, with this development. He joins the long list of rookies put on a fast track for us.
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PUP is for a player who cannot practice. If a player cannot practice, then he can go on PUP. Once the regular season hits, then he can go on regular season PUP. The regular season PUP allows for a window for the player to practice, and either be activated, or put on IR. (IIRC, It's 6-8 weeks, but I could be wrong)
Once a player practices, he is no longer eligible for PUP. He has to be out due to an off-season issue, or something continued from the previous year.
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I thought IR was for the whole season. What's the difference between IR and PUP, then? Does either, or both, allow for carrying an extra player on the roster?
If you come to training camp and can't participate, prior to the season opener then a player could be placed on the PUP. If a player has participated in practice at any point, then that play no longer meets the criteria to be designated as such.
If a player is put on the IR prior to the start of the season, then they are lost for the season. Conversely if he start the season on the 53 man roster and is injured and put on the IR, then they only have to remain there for a minimum of 6 weeks.
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if he start the season on the 53 man roster and is injured and put on the IR, then they only have to remain there for a minimum of 6 weeks.
This is incorrect. It hasn't been that way for 30 years.
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I think Smith and Westbrook would be the two guys most suited for 3rd down back duties.
Westbrook was great coming out of the backfield and concussions slowed his career, but he hasnt taken contact in a while and im sure would be able to get back to it.
Smith just fits that mold that 3rd down back mold...wonder if he blocks better than harrison did.
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Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Dominic Rhodes, Jason Wright, just a few more guys that are out there.
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This is incorrect. It hasn't been that way for 30 years.
I stand corrected, but I did say unless the rules have changed.
Reason for the Rule Changes
It has been said that injured reserve policy in the National Football League was changed because some franchise owners believed the rule was being abused. The suspicion was that some owners were using the rule to remove players who weren't hurt from the roster, thus freeing up space to sign an additional player and fill a need elsewhere on the team.
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Certainly a possibility.
The first two games are huge.
Cincinnati and a possibly Manning-less Colts.
We had something similar last year where we opened with Tampa Bay and Kansas City.
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This is not good news (obviously). Steinbach to Pinkston is a huge drop off.
well, according to some on this board,, Stieny is awful,, should be cut, should be traded,,
No, I wasn't one of those..
IMO this is horrible news..
raises hand.
that would be me.
IIRC most of us that bash Steinbach do so with the caveat that he is making top 5 guard money without actually being a top 5 guard performance wise. He is nearing the end of his career and 7 year $49 mil contract with the Browns that I believe ends 2013.
If Pinkston and or Greco pans out steinbach could be cut sooner rather than later. Just sayin.....
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one or both might be put on IR or Pup.
Well, if the shoe fits,, you know the rest
I'm not at all sure why fans of the NFL worry for one second about the money guys are paid vs value. That stuff shouldn't matter to us fans of REAL football.. however, I get it could mean more to a fantasy football league.
What we pay a guy is more a function of what we have to pay to get him,..
When we picked up Steiny, we needed a solid LG that had some flexibility to play either center or LT. Eric fit that bill and he has been a prettty darn good LG for a long time in this league and as of this moment, I'm not sure we've ever been presented with a better option. Please don't argue that, nobody can prove whoever we could have gotten would have been any better.
I firmly believe that we are better off with a healthy Steinbach.
That being said the FO might believe that we are better off if Pinkston or Greco develops into a player of equal or better quality without the age or price tag that Steinbach brings to the table.
I could care less if the FO spends all of Randy Lerner's money. I'm almost certain they don't see it that way. 
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Certainly a possibility.
The first two games are huge.
Cincinnati and a possibly Manning-less Colts.
We had something similar last year where we opened with Tampa Bay and Kansas City.
Without Manning we will smash Indy by 40 points. He makes their WRs look 100,000,000x better than what they really are. The colts have 2 rookies starting on o-line.
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Certainly a possibility.
The first two games are huge.
Cincinnati and a possibly Manning-less Colts.
We had something similar last year where we opened with Tampa Bay and Kansas City.
Without Manning we will smash Indy by 40 points. He makes their WRs look 100,000,000x better than what they really are. The colts have 2 rookies starting on o-line.
what the Colt's fans will say is that we are starting 2 rookies on the DL as well as a back-up named Mitchell.
The Browns have no depth at LB or DB.
The Browns QB and WRs are unproven and are starting a rookie on the OL.
With Payton out we stand a chance.
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Certainly a possibility.
The first two games are huge.
Cincinnati and a possibly Manning-less Colts.
We had something similar last year where we opened with Tampa Bay and Kansas City.
Without Manning we will smash Indy by 40 points. He makes their WRs look 100,000,000x better than what they really are. The colts have 2 rookies starting on o-line.
We probably wont score 40 points combined in the first two games.
I'd say we have a decent chance to win without Manning in there. But I'm not letting my expectations soar through the roof.
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I'm intrigued with the opener. The Bengals lost a lot of talent and have a rookie QB working with a new rookie OC...The defense lost a key piece in Joseph, and without him, Leon Hall takes a step back i think.
Cincy is ripe for a win by us. Indy without Manning is awful, but i also think Indy with Manning (with our D playing like it did against Vick) will be markedly better, but I dont know how much at this point. Remember the last time he played no preseason? he played horribly for the first few weeks, and with wrs that are gonna get a lot of snaps like Taj Smith, Blair White, Austin Collie, Garcon, Gonzalez...there just hasnt been enough continuity to think that Manning will seamlessly step in if he's healthy.
Cleveland is primed to go 2-0 right now...
That being said, we have work to do to get to that position, but i think we're primed for it...
we gotta get healthy though, and quickly...guys we need healthy and playing week 1 are:
Hillis
Maiava
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MoMass (to protect little)
Hardesty
Armond Smith (without the fumblyness)
Evan Moore
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Without Manning the Colts are like the Cavs without Lebron.
Name 1 player in their secondary. Name someone other than Gary Bracket in their LB core. They have Freeney and Mathis but that's it on D-line. They have a garbage O-line outside of Saturday who is getting old. They get exposed like frauds in the playoffs.
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Without Manning the Colts are like the Cavs without Lebron.
Name 1 player in their secondary. Name someone other than Gary Bracket in their LB core. They have Freeney and Mathis but that's it on D-line. They have a garbage O-line outside of Saturday who is getting old. They get exposed like frauds in the playoffs.
When Lebron was with the Cavs, they actually had a not so bad record in games he missed...
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Why is everyone assuming Manning will not play in week two vs. Us?
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Why is everyone assuming Manning will not play in week two vs. Us?
It's logic. If he can't play week 1, he's either not going to pkay week 2, or be very rusty...
It's not like resting week 1 is going to make him 100% and ready to go...
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Why is everyone assuming Manning will not play in week two vs. Us?
It's logic. If he can't play week 1, he's either not going to pkay week 2, or be very rusty...
It's not like resting week 1 is going to make him 100% and ready to go...
It's yet to be determined if he starts the 1st game, so I'll wait to see if he plays in week one, before I'm going to rule him out of week two.
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If you're the Colts, and you just gave him a bazillion dollars over 5 years, don't you show some caution this year? Even if it costs you some early games and a possible playoff spot?
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Bottom tier guys will downplay an injury because they HAVE to stay on the field, While some upper tier guys will over play an injury, because, they're getting paid anyways, and they wouldnt want to hurt their next payday...
I'm not sure where Manning is, i doubt he'd over state an injury, because he's a competitor, but if he's not 100%, i dunno if he goes out... And that's not neccesarily a bad thing...
When you're talking about a neck injury, that's not just your career, that's your livelyhood...
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I'd rather he doesn't, gets fully healthy, and beats everyone else in our division...
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